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Post by bluboy on Feb 25, 2024 7:48:39 GMT -6
I'm like you, Planck. Once a film is tagged, I export it to Excel and go from there. I do this for two reasons: #1-Excel can do some of the heavy lifting (tagging). I don't have to enter everything; Excel formulas can take care of some things. #2-I've been using Excel as a scouting tool for years and find it easier to manipulate data with Excel.
As a former English teacher who has trouble counting, I agree with the following. "Their tools are just bad. It's an online viewing platform, that's it."
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Post by silkyice on Feb 25, 2024 12:36:23 GMT -6
Yep. The numbers in their reports are sometimes inexplicably wrong. I've gotten to the point that I just export the play data to excel and do all the statistical analysis by hand (I use R; I do this kind of work professionally). Their tools are just bad. It's an online viewing platform, that's it. If you export to excel, let excel do the number crunching. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Feb 25, 2024 13:18:28 GMT -6
Yep. The numbers in their reports are sometimes inexplicably wrong. I've gotten to the point that I just export the play data to excel and do all the statistical analysis by hand (I use R; I do this kind of work professionally). Their tools are just bad. It's an online viewing platform, that's it. If you export to excel, let excel do the number crunching. Yup. Plus, you can get better reporting in Excel by doing things like using the concatenate formula (h/t Coach Vass for this, Make Defense Great Again podcast, Q&A episode 005, around 24:00 if you want to check it out) to combine a play's formation + motion, if there's motion on the play, basically treating the combination of the formation + the motion as a new formation set in a separate column from the formation column and motion column, to correlate with playcall tendencies. You'd want to do this because if you run a report for percentages of plays based on formation, without regard for any motion, you don't get as accurate of a report as you would using concatenate. For example, maybe their top run play from pistol 2x2 spread with no motion, is "Run play X" to the boundary, but then from pistol 2x2 spread with the boundary slot motioning across toward the field, their top run play is "Run play Y" toward the field. If you don't use concatenate, and you run the report based on formation without regard for motion, the report will treat all 2x2 spread playcalls the same, and your report won't be as specific and accurate. What could end up happening, keeping the same calls above, is that the report tells you that when they are in pistol 2x2 spread, their top run play is "Run play X" to the boundary, even when the boundary slot motions toward the field, when in fact that is not accurate and true, and actually, again, their top run play with no motion is "Run play X" to the boundary and their top run play with slot motion toward the field is "Run play Y." I want as specific of a report as possible so I can get the best call possible to address their tendencies. When using concatenate with this, when you run a report, instead of building the report based on the formation column, you build it based on the column that has the formation + any motion concatenate. I don't think Hudl can get that specific with their reports (correct me if I'm wrong)... I've also started looking into using this vs teams that move their dude around in formations and how that affects, if at all, the pass plays they call from formations...You would have your column for formation like normal, and then a column for the location of their dude, and have a concatenate column that combines the formation column data + the location of the dude column data |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 25, 2024 17:47:06 GMT -6
Holy moly. This thread made me dizzy! I'm sure some AI geek will come up with something soon that makes Hudl and the rest look like amateur hour.
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Post by planck on Feb 25, 2024 18:17:58 GMT -6
I work in machine learning. I doubt it'll be applied to football scouting any time soon, for many reasons.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 25, 2024 18:41:22 GMT -6
Also, EXCEL allows you to type in less data and get more data in return (i.e. field/boundary,) without typing this into HUDL column(to do this you have to know how to use some formulas). If you want to learn how to use EXCEL , learn how to use pivot tables and filtering and how to create formulas to enter data.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 25, 2024 20:48:34 GMT -6
We really like new Hudl. I find it easy to click through all the data and pull whatever info you need without building and running a bunch of the reports. You can get the same info from all the reports we used to run and see what is or isn't relevant fairly quickly. It's also quick and easy to click on all kinds of odd ball combinations to find anything useful in the minutia. The biggest issue I have is making sure I don't have something random clicked in the data to throw the numbers off. Hudl assist can be a {censored} show, tho. We spend a lot of time re-entering data to be able to sort like we want.
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Post by coachdmyers on Feb 26, 2024 11:25:30 GMT -6
I work in machine learning. I doubt it'll be applied to football scouting any time soon, for many reasons. Not at our level, but I gotta imagine at the higher levels. Like what Amazon has done with their NFL broadcasts. |
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Post by tabs52 on Feb 27, 2024 8:56:39 GMT -6
I'm like you, Planck. Once a film is tagged, I export it to Excel and go from there. I do this for two reasons: #1-Excel can do some of the heavy lifting (tagging). I don't have to enter everything; Excel formulas can take care of some things. #2-I've been using Excel as a scouting tool for years and find it easier to manipulate data with Excel. As a former English teacher who has trouble counting, I agree with the following. "Their tools are just bad. It's an online viewing platform, that's it." Is there any tutorials on doing this or can you more in depth on how you do this |
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Post by bluboy on Feb 27, 2024 9:56:43 GMT -6
PM me.
First you have to decide what you want EXCEL to do. I wanted it to take the data I typed into HUDL and give me more info (without typing data into a zillion columns). I guess one of the first things I had to learn was how to create IF statements to show something based on whether or not it matched a criterion. Next was how to create IF statements that included AND or OR, to get things that matched more than one criterion. The big one was learning to create and use PIVOT TABLES; that was a giant leap for me. Pivot tables make getting counts so much easier (formations, as well as runs and passes from each formation). Recently I've learned how to use ADVANCED FILTERS (filtering by multiple criteria-better than auto filter-not so many keystrokes).
I am very proud to say that I taught myself what I wanted to know. I simply sat down and Googled what I wanted to learn. I would view a ton of suggested sites and take notes. I would also play with the info I found, until it worked or I got what I wanted. That's it. There was no secret sauce or any outside help.
I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if I can help. By the way, I'm not a math guy. I'm a retired English teacher; if that means anything.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 28, 2024 9:20:36 GMT -6
HUDL has been able to run every breakdown I have ever wanted... If you put the data you're looking for in and then do a custom report you can break it down however you want. For instance I can break down formations with and without motion and the best play in both or most call play in both. or I can combine them. HUDL definitely isn't perfect, & I am a fan of OLD HUDL over NEW HUDL, but hudl is way better than doing it by hand.
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