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Post by carookie on Jul 9, 2023 22:10:02 GMT -6
In light of some recent, high profile, hazing incidents I was wondering about how closely we monitor the locker room. I am sometimes shocked by how many programs I have been a part of leave kids locked in a room for a significant amount of time with no adult supervision. But maybe I am in the wrong and it is not needed.
Want to see how many actually supervise this situation.
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Post by tog on Jul 9, 2023 23:06:04 GMT -6
I was the guy, no way any hazing shitt would have happened on our watch, just wouldn't happen
even in college as a player in d1 swc, no ffffing way would that {censored} have happened
1. if anyone even brought that crap up, there would have been a fight
2. if anyone ever submitted to that kind of shitt then they would have been shunned forever
but the end of it is, there should have been a coach in there to stop the shitt
fitz is toast
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Post by tog on Jul 9, 2023 23:09:43 GMT -6
always asked by young coaches why I stayed in there
duhhh, do you know who is gonna get sued if the grab asss goes too far? us
our hc
I worked for some great hc's that understood this and wanted it monitored and controlled
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Post by realdawg on Jul 10, 2023 5:58:03 GMT -6
I try to. I assign coaches to monitor the locker room pre and post practice. However, I admit there are many days when the kids beat us off the practice field. If I know that something is going on with our kids, I will sometimes send a coach down there early to beat them there. I myself try to stand in the locker room as much as possible until the crowd gets thinned out. Sometimes, other duties call and I try to make sure there is a coach in there when that happens.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 10, 2023 5:59:16 GMT -6
Last school we were at the coaches office was in the locker room with a big window and we 99% of the time kept the door open when we were in there. Place before that office was right next to locker room and we were constantly in and out.
Always remember, as I have learned from a long career in education and coaching, when it comes to stuff with kids and allegations you are treated GUILTY till proven innocent by just about everyone in those types of situations.
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Post by bignose on Jul 10, 2023 8:26:20 GMT -6
This seems to have the potential to be a lose / lose situation.
If you fail to supervise and something happens, you are in trouble, but if you supervise and someone asks: "Why are you watching kids get undressed?" You could also find yourself in trouble.
Just gotta try to keep things in perspective in today's climate.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jul 10, 2023 8:56:15 GMT -6
This seems to have the potential to be a lose / lose situation. If you fail to supervise and something happens, you are in trouble, but if you supervise and someone asks: "Why are you watching kids get undressed?" You could also find yourself in trouble. Just gotta try to keep things in perspective in today's climate. I always tried to stay in the locker room when I was coaching lower levels and that was always a concern of mine. Id rather set in there and have to explain it that let the alternative happen but it is a concern.
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Post by carookie on Jul 10, 2023 9:05:24 GMT -6
This seems to have the potential to be a lose / lose situation. If you fail to supervise and something happens, you are in trouble, but if you supervise and someone asks: " Why are you watching kids get undressed?" You could also find yourself in trouble. Just gotta try to keep things in perspective in today's climate. I've never had a parent ask that, they understand. I've had a few players try that card, mostly as a way to see if it could get me to leave and they'd have an opportunity to screw around. I just say, "I am here so you don't screw around and I lose my job." That has always brought an end to the question.
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Post by blackknight on Jul 10, 2023 11:40:27 GMT -6
Team room was in the stadium. Coaches would go into the snack bar after to debrief and wait until the kids cleared out. Then we had an incident. After that we would go into the team room to debrief and whiteboard some things. Not only did it stop incidents from happening again but the kids cleared out much faster! Win, win!
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Post by wingtol on Jul 10, 2023 12:33:26 GMT -6
Team room was in the stadium. Coaches would go into the snack bar after to debrief and wait until the kids cleared out. Then we had an incident. After that we would go into the team room to debrief and whiteboard some things. Not only did it stop incidents from happening again but the kids cleared out much faster! Win, win! Bonus of having the coaches office in the locker room, we could yell LETS GO!! EVERYONE OUT!!! and get them the he!! out faster. Can't do anything stupid in the locker room if they aren't in the locker room!
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Post by bluboy on Jul 10, 2023 17:50:58 GMT -6
We are required to submit a supervision list to our AD. This list states who is supervising where and when. At end of practice, we have one coach bolt to the locker room as soon as HC dismisses team. This coach stands/sits close to the players' dressing area and keeps law and order in that area. On game nights, the two frosh coaches head to the locker room as soon as the clock hits 00:00. We are also required to supervise the players who are outside the building and waiting for a ride home.
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Post by irishdog on Jul 10, 2023 22:25:30 GMT -6
I always had a coach IN the locker room pre-post practices, pre-post games. Our office was next door to the locker room, and the only window looked out to the gym. He/they (or I) would stay in the locker room until EVERY kid cleared out. One of us would also stay until EVERY kid was picked up by a parent/sibling/relative/or family friend. We also had a "fifth quarter" win or lose after home games where the parents of the players and cheerleaders fed all of them at a local burger joint. You'd be surprised how fast the boys would get dressed and out of that locker room to attend that function! Also helped with the timing of the staff get the unis in the wash, burn game DVD's, contact local media, and head off to our own local watering hole.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 11, 2023 3:49:18 GMT -6
Most schools I have been at to access the coaches' office where we changed and met you had to walk through the locker room. I liked this design because the boys knew we were in there and we had immediate access as well. One of the coaches, usually me, was always the last one out. There was another school where the culture was the coaches stayed completely away from everything inside. It was weird. I still ended up being the the coach who would end up monitoring stuff by hanging out in the vicinity of the locker room after practice myself I just felt it was really important to have an adult presence.
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Post by blb on Jul 11, 2023 8:32:08 GMT -6
Hazing and other shenanigans don't always occur in the locker room.
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Post by carookie on Jul 11, 2023 9:42:31 GMT -6
Hazing and other shenanigans don't always occur in the locker room. True, but the locker room is a place where players are meeting en masse, under our jurisdiction and supposed supervision, yet for some reason rarely supervised. If it occurred somewhere outside of our direct jurisdiction, then we have less of a responsibility for it; if it occurred somewhere where we have active supervision but just didn't notice, then at least we were in position. But to put our players in a place where they under our jurisdiction, yet unsupervised (and openly unsupervised) leaves us as coaches open to accusations of negligence if such hazing occurs. I can think of no other specific location that meets such criteria, and that is why I focused specifically on the locker room in my question. Now maybe it doesnt need to be monitored, and thats why I asked the question; but where else do you see that meets these criteria?
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Post by irishdog on Jul 12, 2023 9:41:33 GMT -6
Hazing and other shenanigans don't always occur in the locker room. True, but the locker room is a place where players are meeting en masse, under our jurisdiction and supposed supervision, yet for some reason rarely supervised. If it occurred somewhere outside of our direct jurisdiction, then we have less of a responsibility for it; if it occurred somewhere where we have active supervision but just didn't notice, then at least we were in position. But to put our players in a place where they under our jurisdiction, yet unsupervised (and openly unsupervised) leaves us as coaches open to accusations of negligence if such hazing occurs. I can think of no other specific location that meets such criteria, and that is why I focused specifically on the locker room in my question. Now maybe it doesnt need to be monitored, and thats why I asked the question; but where else do you see that meets these criteria? Summer. School breaks. I was with my wife attending a broadway play that my eldest daughter was performing in when I got a call from my Principal telling me he received a text from a student letting him know that a couple of the football players were bragging about a "team ritual" they held at a party. Risque. I hung up and texted my team captains letting them know I would be meeting with them and their parents the next day. Problem solved.
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2023 11:28:46 GMT -6
True, but the locker room is a place where players are meeting en masse, under our jurisdiction and supposed supervision, yet for some reason rarely supervised. If it occurred somewhere outside of our direct jurisdiction, then we have less of a responsibility for it; if it occurred somewhere where we have active supervision but just didn't notice, then at least we were in position. But to put our players in a place where they under our jurisdiction, yet unsupervised (and openly unsupervised) leaves us as coaches open to accusations of negligence if such hazing occurs. I can think of no other specific location that meets such criteria, and that is why I focused specifically on the locker room in my question. Now maybe it doesnt need to be monitored, and thats why I asked the question; but where else do you see that meets these criteria? Summer. School breaks. I was with my wife attending a broadway play that my eldest daughter was performing in when I got a call from my Principal telling me he received a text from a student letting him know that a couple of the football players were bragging about a "team ritual" they held at a party. Risque. I hung up and texted my team captains letting them know I would be meeting with them and their parents the next day. Problem solved. Maybe I didn't explain the material difference well enough in my previous post. The locker room is somewhere that is under our direct and immediate jurisdiction. Think of it this way, if a player slips, falls, and injures himself on the field you would be expected to take care of it (you were the present adult in charge). If a player slips, falls, and injures himself in the weight room while you were lifting you would be expected to take care of it (you were the present adult in charge). If a player slips, falls and hurts himself at a team party while you and your wife are attending a broadway play then you are NOT expected to take care of it. Similar premise in my post. You are the acting adult in charge of the locker room. This is not to write that you may not catch blame for hazing that takes place at an off campus party, some might accuse you of not having control of the program and that player should do what you want them to at all times. But this post isnt about stopping all types of hazing, simply about supervision while players are in a location where we are the present adult in charge, and in a location where a lot of hazing takes place. Now, some might view the locker room as a location more similar to the party, not really our responsibility, or that we should grant players the autonomy while in the locker room to regulate themselves. But thats why I asked the initial post with the poll. Regardless, your broadway example is not in line with the second post that you quoted due to the supervision variable.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 12, 2023 14:27:09 GMT -6
I think I'm in the majority, but many won't admit it.
We generally supervise the locker room. We talk about supervising the locker room. We say it's important to supervise the locker room. Heck we've even had supervision schedules. BUT, Is it ALWAYS supervised? No. Does that make us horrible? NO. Does that mean we could get into some big trouble if something happens when we're not in there? ABSOLUTELY!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2023 14:37:55 GMT -6
... Now, some might view the locker room as a location more similar to the party, not really our responsibility, or that we should grant players the autonomy while in the locker room to regulate themselves. But thats why I asked the initial post with the poll. Regardless, your broadway example is not in line with the second post that you quoted due to the supervision variable. I can not imagine the thought process of any professional educator who would have those views. Oh, I know they exist, I just don't see how it is possible.
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Post by agap on Jul 12, 2023 16:31:12 GMT -6
Most schools I’ve been at, the coaches’ office is in the locker room with a window. There are always a few chairs facing the window so people could always see what was happening. At one school, players changed in the parking lot next to the practice field so we didn’t have to go to the locker room. I didn’t really understand that but they were used to it there.
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2023 16:55:26 GMT -6
Most schools I’ve been at, the coaches’ office is in the locker room with a window. There are always a few chairs facing the window so people could always see what was happening. At one school, players changed in the parking lot next to the practice field so we didn’t have to go to the locker room. I didn’t really understand that but they were used to it there. I have seen this at a lot of places, but all but one of the schools I have been at have had separate 'team' rooms for athletic sports teams. These end up being a separate, closed door, locker room; which do not have a coaches office overlooking them. In essence most every school I have been at has a closed off area for the football team to use as their locker room.
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Post by coachjm on Jul 13, 2023 5:09:20 GMT -6
We always have a coach in the locker room... We went is far is making a coaches office out of a storage room to ensure our coaches didn't just stand in there without purpose.....
None of us can 100% stop hazing/bullying or any other poor behavior that involves kids treatment.....
However 100% of us can: 1. Have a Coach in the lockerroom when the team is sent there. 2. Have the team being specific spots together when doing team activities 3. Continue to educate on the consequences of hazing/bullying 4. Continue to educate on why when their is a hierarchical relationship (senior-freshman) that the goal is servitude and true mentorship. 5. Recognize that things that start out as small and funny tend to escalate when you get a large group of young men (or old men) together... Therefor try and stay in front of the small things.....
It is a tough time in education/coaching as the behavior of even the most immature or most emotional often leads to a consequence of the adult not the child.....
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Post by spartan on Jul 13, 2023 8:11:00 GMT -6
Coaches go into the locker room after practice (1-2) Talk to players doors are always open when someone is in there.
Remind Captains it's their responsibility to make it a family atmosphere.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jul 13, 2023 9:38:45 GMT -6
Just because a coaches office is attached to a locker room does not mean that it is being supervised, even if there is a clear window. Coaches shooting the breeze or meeting before/after practice doesn't mean the kids are being monitored. Sure you'll catch the big stuff such as a big commotion during a fight or something like that, but by no means does it mean there can't be some stuff that happens right underneath your nose, especially if there's music being played in the locker room.
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Post by coachjm on Jul 13, 2023 10:53:04 GMT -6
Just because a coaches office is attached to a locker room does not mean that it is being supervised, even if there is a clear window. Coaches shooting the breeze or meeting before/after practice doesn't mean the kids are being monitored. Sure you'll catch the big stuff such as a big commotion during a fight or something like that, but by no means does it mean there can't be some stuff that happens right underneath your nose, especially if there's music being played in the locker room. I agree this can be the case..... I also disagree.... This is entirely based on the set up of the space.... My last school the coaches office it was IMPOSSIBLE to supervise from you couldn't even really see the lockers let alone hear what was going on. As part of the bond project I was part of the team to build new locker rooms, the #1 factor we built in was ensuring offices could be actively observing of the locker room we essentially created a space in which every locker could be seen with the coaches office door open.... My new school the office we "made" it is far from nice, allows for this as well.. However, to your point.... This isn't an option in may set-ups..
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 13, 2023 20:22:08 GMT -6
This seems to have the potential to be a lose / lose situation. If you fail to supervise and something happens, you are in trouble, but if you supervise and someone asks: "Why are you watching kids get undressed?" You could also find yourself in trouble. Just gotta try to keep things in perspective in today's climate. I actually saw this exact situation unfold at a school I coached at in another sport. There was hazing allegations in years prior so he or an assistant took turns making sure the lockerroom was empty before going into the coaches office. Johny wasnt happy he wasnt playing as much and accused the coach of inappropriate behavior, mind you, the coach stood in front of a glass 2 way window that the coaches office could see into the locker room and vice versa, but school board didn't like said coach, he had a losing season and was non-renewed.
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Post by blb on Jul 14, 2023 9:25:56 GMT -6
This seems to have the potential to be a lose / lose situation. If you fail to supervise and something happens, you are in trouble, but if you supervise and someone asks: "Why are you watching kids get undressed?" You could also find yourself in trouble. Just gotta try to keep things in perspective in today's climate. I actually saw this exact situation unfold at a school I coached at in another sport. There was hazing allegations in years prior so he or an assistant took turns making sure the lockerroom was empty before going into the coaches office. Johny wasnt happy he wasnt playing as much and accused the coach of inappropriate behavior, mind you, the coach stood in front of a glass 2 way window that the coaches office could see into the locker room and vice versa, but school board didn't like said coach, he had a losing season and was non-renewed. One of my assistant coaches said "Nobody wants to be accused of being a 'pecker checker'."
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Post by CS on Jul 14, 2023 14:35:35 GMT -6
I actually saw this exact situation unfold at a school I coached at in another sport. There was hazing allegations in years prior so he or an assistant took turns making sure the lockerroom was empty before going into the coaches office. Johny wasnt happy he wasnt playing as much and accused the coach of inappropriate behavior, mind you, the coach stood in front of a glass 2 way window that the coaches office could see into the locker room and vice versa, but school board didn't like said coach, he had a losing season and was non-renewed. One of my assistant coaches said "Nobody wants to be accused of being a 'pecker checker'." I’ve never been to a place where the kids even cared if we were in there. Of course, we’re not just sitting in there staring at them like weirdos. We do laundry, clean up, talk to the non nude ones and use the bathroom. It just takes being around to prevent the nonsense
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