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Post by olliebaba14 on Jun 20, 2023 16:43:07 GMT -6
I’m coaching middle school right now. I’m in the process of starting my own family and was thinking of the following questions
1. When would you let your son play football?
2. If the organization your son played for had bad coaches and did nothing to curb them, how would you handle it? (My thought, change orgs)
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jun 20, 2023 17:14:14 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Jun 20, 2023 17:16:50 GMT -6
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Post by irishdog on Jun 20, 2023 17:51:38 GMT -6
I’m coaching middle school right now. I’m in the process of starting my own family and was thinking of the following questions 1. When would you let your son play football? 2. If the organization your son played for had bad coaches and did nothing to curb them, how would you handle it? (My thought, change orgs) The game is changing. I wouldn't worry about those questions right now. However, if I had to make that decision today my first question would be is my son even interested in playing, and if so have a heart to heart with him. My next move would be to find a reputable organization with good coaches. Next, I would go watch teams in that organization practice and watch some games. I might have to do that with more than one organization. Finally, if you aren't satisfied with what you see and hear about the youth football in your area look into having him attend football camps for youngsters. Same thing. Find a good camp with good coaches and do your research!
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 22, 2023 5:51:59 GMT -6
I've got lots of thoughts on raising kids, but have none of my own yet so really I'm just full of sh!t. Regarding my hypothetical son:
1 - Middle school at the earliest. Flag whenever he wants to start. 2 - If they're poor coaches, it's not happening.
I don't think kids need unnecessary much wear on their tires and I definitely don't want any kid learning bad habits from poor coaching. I'd rather my kid just tag along at our FB practices after school than go learn to spear people from a group of Uncle Ricos.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 22, 2023 8:08:02 GMT -6
One of my sons started in 5th grade, one started in 6th. 5th I thought was a little early with the benefit of hindsight. Other than one season I've ended up helping to coach every year.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jun 22, 2023 8:59:17 GMT -6
I started mine at 6 and 7.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 22, 2023 9:31:14 GMT -6
My son didn't play tackle football until he was a freshman in high school. When he was younger, he was a big kid and would have played with kids two years older. No way was I going to go for that. My grandson (my son's son) started playing tackle football at age 7, BUT my son (who is a high school football coach) is one of the coaches along with another of the assistants from his school.
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Post by breakerdog on Jun 22, 2023 10:02:04 GMT -6
My son started tackle football at 8. In retrospect that was too early. He was/is a big kid but wasn't mentally ready for it and it turned him off the game for a while. I don't think there is one answer for this question. Every kid is different. I see some kids signing up to play HS football for the first time who are not ready for contact sports and some kids that are killing it at 9 years old.
If I was going to make a general statement, I would let them join flag whenever they wanted join. Tackle not until at least 10-11 years old, if not older.
As far as coaching question goes, if you aren't happy get involved. Youth organizations are always begging for help. You won't regret time spent with your son.
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Post by 44special on Jun 22, 2023 18:32:51 GMT -6
coached several varsity kids who were pretty good, that almost didn't play as juniors and seniors because they were just tired of it, because they started at a young age.
my son started in jh, which is when i did (not that there was any choice when i was playing; there was no youth football then). i don't think i would have ever had enough of it even starting early, but no way to know for sure. my son wouldn't have been interested early if the opportunity had been there, and i doubt i would have let him.
there are probably some decent youth coaches, but there's a lot of guys who are on an ego trip. and that's bad news.
probably didn't tell you anything, but that's my view of it.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Jun 22, 2023 19:50:17 GMT -6
My son was going into 2nd grade and was insistent on playing flag football. I never mentioned it or tried to push it at all. I let him chew on it for a while, and he persisted. So we let him play. I coached, for your point number two. From the minute flag ended, he couldn't wait to play tackle football this coming year in third. I'm not a fan. I told the league that it was too young to start tackle, but everyone else around here does it, so that was falling on deaf ears. I want to tell him no, simply because I think developmentally, it needs to wait. But he wants to so bad, we aren't going to tell him no. I am going to coach again. Not because I am anything special, but I won't be out there sending kids on laps around the field, running the Oklahoma drill and doing other pointless, stupid things that too many youth coaches waste their time on.
It's a really neat thing, getting to coach your kid. I try not to coach him much on the field and let an assistant work with him closely, but it is inevitable. I also try not to talk about it when we leave, but he asks and wants to talk about it. I try to keep it positive and concise, but also get him to see the big picture. Good luck to you.
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Post by Defcord on Jun 22, 2023 20:50:02 GMT -6
I didn’t let my son play until 7th grade. He begged every year but I just didn’t feel comfortable with him playing in the league he would’ve had to play in because of the lack of trained coaches and just overall safety in general.
There’s plenty of other things to do.
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Post by RPO on Jun 29, 2023 22:53:08 GMT -6
I have two sons that didn’t play until 7th grade…they both turned out to be great players in HS…best thing for youth is flag football, just let them be excited about the game
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Post by brandongregory74 on Jun 30, 2023 8:26:53 GMT -6
I've got lots of thoughts on raising kids, but have none of my own yet so really I'm just full of sh!t. Regarding my hypothetical son: 1 - Middle school at the earliest. Flag whenever he wants to start. 2 - If they're poor coaches, it's not happening. I don't think kids need unnecessary much wear on their tires and I definitely don't want any kid learning bad habits from poor coaching. I'd rather my kid just tag along at our FB practices after school than go learn to spear people from a group of Uncle Ricos. My youngest would give a kidney to play tackle football and he's 8. I don't see the use in it right now, so he plays flag football and he does pretty well. He comes with me to practice most every day and helps the coaches organize their drills. Another coach has a couple little boys and they end up playing around on the track or behind the end zone. At times there's as many as 5 or 6 kids there tossing the ball and having fun. I personally think he gets more from that than playing the organized sport at least at this age.
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Post by vikingdw on Jun 30, 2023 8:47:53 GMT -6
My son played/started tackle football at age 5 in a large youth league with only 1 age group per team (teams with only 5 yr olds, separate teams with only 6 yr olds, etc...). After watching the absolutely terrible and unsafe coaching methods taught to him, I decided to pull him by telling him what a great season he had and that football season was now over and we moved onto the next sport (they were having the kids learn how to tackle by having them get on their knees and then having a ball carrier from 15 yards away run right over them).
Since he was only 5 he didn't know or realize the season had not really ended but I didn't want him to think it's okay to quit anything. I approached the HC and asked about this tackling teaching method and he was adamant this is the safe and right way. I had played football all throughout my youth, middle school and high school years (won a state championship and also coached at the collegiate level, so I knew he was wrong). The next season, I stepped up and became head coach of his youth team and he played football every season from age 6 up until he graduated high school and then he went on to play college basketball.
Hope that helps...
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 1, 2023 7:17:28 GMT -6
Those of you who've answered or are about to answer regarding when your children started playing football, are you counting only adult-supervised ball? Were there previous times your kid would come home and tell you he'd been playing football? Might there have been times he'd been playing football and you didn't know it? If they had been playing football, do you think they would've told you or concealed it from you?
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 1, 2023 8:09:28 GMT -6
Those of you who've answered or are about to answer regarding when your children started playing football, are you counting only adult-supervised ball? Were there previous times your kid would come home and tell you he'd been playing football? Might there have been times he'd been playing football and you didn't know it? If they had been playing football, do you think they would've told you or concealed it from you? Adults are consistently the worst part about youth sports, so yeah, I'd be A-OK with my child playing sports at the park with their friends. Hell, I'd encourage them to do it more.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jul 9, 2023 20:29:32 GMT -6
I’ll coach my son after we have practices when/if that time comes he wants to play. Today he’s almost 3 years old and could shoot in his little tykes hoop all day. Hand him a football and he’ll dunk it.
I will coach him to ensure he’s got trustworthy coaching and what not. Unless there’s someone I trust to do it more.
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Post by brandongregory74 on Jul 10, 2023 13:16:47 GMT -6
Those of you who've answered or are about to answer regarding when your children started playing football, are you counting only adult-supervised ball? Were there previous times your kid would come home and tell you he'd been playing football? Might there have been times he'd been playing football and you didn't know it? If they had been playing football, do you think they would've told you or concealed it from you? Adults are consistently the worst part about youth sports, so yeah, I'd be A-OK with my child playing sports at the park with their friends. Hell, I'd encourage them to do it more. I've never understood why these youth leagues don't make it mandatory their coaches go to a clinic. The game isn't played the way a lot of these coaches were taught. That would alleviate a lot of poor coaching methods. It doesn't even need to be about some exotic scheme, just go learn the basics from those that know and teach it.
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Post by fantom on Jul 10, 2023 13:46:22 GMT -6
Those of you who've answered or are about to answer regarding when your children started playing football, are you counting only adult-supervised ball? Were there previous times your kid would come home and tell you he'd been playing football? Might there have been times he'd been playing football and you didn't know it? If they had been playing football, do you think they would've told you or concealed it from you? My son never played organized youth football but played backyard ball all the time.
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 10, 2023 15:24:31 GMT -6
Adults are consistently the worst part about youth sports, so yeah, I'd be A-OK with my child playing sports at the park with their friends. Hell, I'd encourage them to do it more. I've never understood why these youth leagues don't make it mandatory their coaches go to a clinic. The game isn't played the way a lot of these coaches were taught. That would alleviate a lot of poor coaching methods. It doesn't even need to be about some exotic scheme, just go learn the basics from those that know and teach it. Even just liability makes it a great idea.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 11, 2023 13:46:11 GMT -6
I've never understood why these youth leagues don't make it mandatory their coaches go to a clinic. The game isn't played the way a lot of these coaches were taught. That would alleviate a lot of poor coaching methods. It doesn't even need to be about some exotic scheme, just go learn the basics from those that know and teach it. Even just liability makes it a great idea. I don't think so! What makes you think liability would be any less on the part of the club, the league, coaches, administration, or the owner of the ground, if the coaches went to a league-mandated clinic? The only thing I can see from that is that the clinic would be yet another possible target of the lawsuit. "So, you sent your coaches to a clinic? That means you recognized your existing practices as dangerous. What steps did you take to make sure your coaches then applied what was taught at the clinic?" Clinics can be very good. I know I've learned at some. But they can also be controversial in their instructions, even as to safety. Many of those purporting to teach safer blocking, tackling, and even conduct and emphasis of practice can be disagreed with by those who think their own methods are safer. or at least as safe. When I started coaching in 2007, the club (which was also the league -- house ball) hosted a clinic that included video instruction from NAYS (I might be slightly messing up the acronym) that showed horrible tackling technique -- aiming the face mask squarely at the chest; it was unspoken that they expected you to bend your head out of the way at contact. Fortunately I and the other coaches I talked to after we watched the video said we would never teach tackling as shown. And that wasn't the last time I and other people I've coached with knowingly coached contrary to instructions we'd received at video and in-person clinics.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 11, 2023 13:52:50 GMT -6
Even just liability makes it a great idea. I don't think so! What makes you think liability would be any less on the part of the club, the league, coaches, administration, or the owner of the ground, if the coaches went to a league-mandated clinic? The only thing I can see from that is that the clinic would be yet another possible target of the lawsuit. "So, you sent your coaches to a clinic? That means you recognized your existing practices as dangerous. What steps did you take to make sure your coaches then applied what was taught at the clinic?" Clinics can be very good. I know I've learned at some. But they can also be controversial in their instructions, even as to safety. Many of those purporting to teach safer blocking, tackling, and even conduct and emphasis of practice can be disagreed with by those who think their own methods are safer. or at least as safe. When I started coaching in 2007, the club (which was also the league -- house ball) hosted a clinic that included video instruction from NAYS (I might be slightly messing up the acronym) that showed horrible tackling technique -- aiming the face mask squarely at the chest; it was unspoken that they expected you to bend your head out of the way at contact. Fortunately I and the other coaches I talked to after we watched the video said we would never teach tackling as shown. And that wasn't the last time I and other people I've coached with knowingly coached contrary to instructions we'd received at video and in-person clinics. So, maybe vet the clinic?
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 11, 2023 13:55:25 GMT -6
Those of you who've answered or are about to answer regarding when your children started playing football, are you counting only adult-supervised ball? Were there previous times your kid would come home and tell you he'd been playing football? Might there have been times he'd been playing football and you didn't know it? If they had been playing football, do you think they would've told you or concealed it from you? Adults are consistently the worst part about youth sports, so yeah, I'd be A-OK with my child playing sports at the park with their friends. Hell, I'd encourage them to do it more. That's great. But I do think that when it comes to contact sports, although adults can certainly screw things up, good instruction and supervision by adults makes the kids safer. I don't have data regarding injuries, but from what I've seen coaching children in football, judging by the moves some kids make before instruction, I can't imagine we didn't make them at least somewhat less dangerous.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 11, 2023 14:03:01 GMT -6
I don't think so! What makes you think liability would be any less on the part of the club, the league, coaches, administration, or the owner of the ground, if the coaches went to a league-mandated clinic? The only thing I can see from that is that the clinic would be yet another possible target of the lawsuit. "So, you sent your coaches to a clinic? That means you recognized your existing practices as dangerous. What steps did you take to make sure your coaches then applied what was taught at the clinic?" Clinics can be very good. I know I've learned at some. But they can also be controversial in their instructions, even as to safety. Many of those purporting to teach safer blocking, tackling, and even conduct and emphasis of practice can be disagreed with by those who think their own methods are safer. or at least as safe. When I started coaching in 2007, the club (which was also the league -- house ball) hosted a clinic that included video instruction from NAYS (I might be slightly messing up the acronym) that showed horrible tackling technique -- aiming the face mask squarely at the chest; it was unspoken that they expected you to bend your head out of the way at contact. Fortunately I and the other coaches I talked to after we watched the video said we would never teach tackling as shown. And that wasn't the last time I and other people I've coached with knowingly coached contrary to instructions we'd received at video and in-person clinics. So, maybe vet the clinic? Who watches the watchmen? The philosophy of "plant the face mask between the numbers" came into vogue in the 1970s at the same time as voices within the NCAA (at least) were becoming alarmed at how widespread and dangerous that was.
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Post by vicvinegar on Jul 12, 2023 6:40:03 GMT -6
I have a daughter, so one could say my opinion doesn't matter. However, we have just begun trying for number 2. If it's a boy, he will not play anything but tag until M.S.
1) Like others have said, I've seen too many crappy youth coaches. 2) I have a buddy who has a son. When he was 8, he would always tell me that football was his favorite sport. Then he broke his arm. He no longer wants to play football. I believe being physically hurt like that, traumatizes little kids more than it does teens/young adults. You may say "well he could have broke his arm doing anything". While that's true, little kids are smart enough to realize that the likely hood of that happening goes up when you tackle or get tackled by someone else over and over again.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 13, 2023 11:37:24 GMT -6
I have a daughter, so one could say my opinion doesn't matter. However, we have just begun trying for number 2. If it's a boy, he will not play anything but tag until M.S. How are you going to assure that? Or is that just a prediction?
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Post by vicvinegar on Jul 13, 2023 20:24:04 GMT -6
I have a daughter, so one could say my opinion doesn't matter. However, we have just begun trying for number 2. If it's a boy, he will not play anything but tag until M.S. How are you going to assure that? Or is that just a prediction? IF
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 14, 2023 8:46:05 GMT -6
How are you going to assure that? Or is that just a prediction? IF Haha. No, I meant how would you make sure your child played nothing other than tag until he (or she) was in middle school?
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Post by coachlit on Jul 14, 2023 8:59:41 GMT -6
I’m going to be completely honest, I don’t want my son playing football. If he wants to I’m going to coach the bell out of him. But I’m not going to encourage or push it on him. If you do it right it’s physical as hell and its not worth the head injuries later on in life. I guess that makes me a hypocrite but it is what it is.
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