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Post by els36 on Jun 17, 2023 20:56:07 GMT -6
How do you guys go about sharing a scouting report with players? Currently, I am using power point and convert it to a video and then upload to Hudl, but it burns a lot of time. I am considering creating an install every week as a scout report: type in personnel report, favorite formations, favorite plays, etc... then I can print the plays off from the scout report as scout cards for practice. Anyone else doing something similiar? Another way? Just trying to be more efficient. Thanks!
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Post by chi5hi on Jun 17, 2023 22:12:38 GMT -6
How do you guys go about sharing a scouting report with players? Currently, I am using power point and convert it to a video and then upload to Hudl, but it burns a lot of time. I am considering creating an install every week as a scout report: type in personnel report, favorite formations, favorite plays, etc... then I can print the plays off from the scout report as scout cards for practice. Anyone else doing something similiar? Another way? Just trying to be more efficient. Thanks! Kids don't like getting more paper handed to them. They think that they get enough of that in class. They're out here trying to have some fun. More reading material spoils that fun. What we do is...put it on the field during practice and tell them that they might see THIS...and THIS...and especially THIS. "When you do see it, here's how we will play it." Players don't think like coaches. They think like teenagers. You may very well be making more work for yourself than it's worth. Anyway, that's MHO.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 17, 2023 23:01:34 GMT -6
How do you guys go about sharing a scouting report with players? Currently, I am using power point and convert it to a video and then upload to Hudl, but it burns a lot of time. I am considering creating an install every week as a scout report: type in personnel report, favorite formations, favorite plays, etc... then I can print the plays off from the scout report as scout cards for practice. Anyone else doing something similiar? Another way? Just trying to be more efficient. Thanks! The HC makes a Hudl cut ups of the daily script and shares with the team. Watch 5 minutes of film during lunch and you know what you will see today. Plus any film watched in position meetings before practice.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 18, 2023 6:02:34 GMT -6
We focus on top 5 formations and plays. On Monday we align the scout team in each of the top 5 formations and walk through the favorite plays. We will also go over any special adjustments/personnel keys. We also make a 20-25 play cut-up of the same top formations and plays and send via HUDL. We will watch that cut-up before practice on Tuesday or Wednesday. Used to hand out scouting reports, but got tired of seeing them on the floor....
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Post by 19Gate83 on Jun 18, 2023 6:07:53 GMT -6
Google Classroom, from that pdf they can upload it to their phones
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Post by wingtol on Jun 18, 2023 7:51:25 GMT -6
For defense I would do a 1-2 page max sheet with top formations and top plays with a few tips. I would also draw stuff up on the board in the locker room. A lot of on field walk and talk as well. Kids now aren't programed for pen and paper like we were. There should be more pen and paper stuff in school and life in general but that's a different discussion. They can also watch film on HUDL now so that helps.
To be honest players would probably respond more to digital presentations now but I didn't have the time or the want to in order to put them together.
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Post by jg78 on Jun 18, 2023 11:29:39 GMT -6
This is what I used to do as DC:
On Monday, we would watch our film from Friday and correct any mistakes. After that, I would get on the board and introduce the upcoming opponent. I would draw their most common formations and how we would adjust. I would talk about the key players, tendencies, etc.
After that, we would go on the field and practice. I would repeat information and ask questions on the fly over and over and over again as the scout team ran through plays. Drill it in their heads.
On Tuesday, we would watch the opponent’s film. By this point, they can watch the opponent and process what they learned on Monday. Usually predict the plays as we watch film.
By this point, we would just continue preparing for the opponent on the field and our other weekly things. We would also spend at least a little time against general offensive looks to keep things fresh in their minds as the year progresses and we wouldn’t be caught with our pants down if an opponent decided to totally change offenses the week they play us or break out at single wing package or something.
Defensively, I think if your guys can line up on any given play against everything from empty to 2 TE Power I without getting confused, know what they’re doing in a scheme that’s sound (not necessarily ingenious), and they know the offense they’re playing against and can play with anticipation, you won’t lose too many games if you’re not outmanned.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jun 18, 2023 11:57:03 GMT -6
What we do:
Disclaimer I am old and somewhat set in my ways:
I have a paper scouting report with every play the opponent has run, and every front, stunt and coverage we’ve seen. This can get to be up to 24 pages. (8 plays per page). I’ve been doing it since 1994 and at very least it helps me.
Coaches get this report. Players get this IF they want one. I usually have about half the guys who want it- mostly starters and a few freshmen who either really care or want to have it because it’s cool and impresses the girls (in their mind) when they walk around with a scouting report.
Each position coach creates cutups based on what we see and talk about at our meeting (we meet Sunday evening for a few hours).
In addition to being the HC, I also coach OL and LBs. The OL cutup might be 5-10 plays… usually their base plus things we need to prepare for during the week. The LB cutup might be 20-30 clips of the same 3-4 plays. (Sometimes more plays/less clips).
We try to keep it at about 3-5 minutes of viewing time.
If we have any adjustment/new tweak- we will put that on Go Army Edge and have it there and upload it to Hudl (amazing how these teenage technological wizards can’t figure out some of our football apps).
I am going in to my 33rd year as a head coach and I am comfortable with this…
The paper scouting report is efficient (i.e. worth the time) for me because I use it… and that is still a part of the job I enjoy.
The film clips are more efficient for the players… and I’ve had a lot of guys who never get a scouting report, go only off of the film clips provided and know what they are doing as well as anyone else on the field.
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Post by CS on Jun 18, 2023 14:08:26 GMT -6
I like to show them their major formations and what they do out of it on the field. I will make cut ups of there major formations in playlists and share it with them. Fast food way of watching film
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Post by agap on Jun 18, 2023 15:23:11 GMT -6
We used to give them a paper copy and no one ever looked at it. Then we started sharing it on Drive and no one still looked at it. I’m not a fan of giving it out anymore after that. We can teach what we need to without sharing a scouring report.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2023 18:06:34 GMT -6
We gave them a paper scouting report/game plan every week: offense, defense, and STs. I was the DC so our defensive report included: personnel, a brief (a few bullet points) overview of the offense, favorite runs and passes, each of our fronts and coverages drawn up vs their top formations, and that week's stunts and blitzes. We didn't worry about tendencies, unless there was something obvious, because I thought that that was my (the playcaller's) problem.
Some kids read it religiously, some didn't. We didn't want to stop giving it to the kids who wanted it because some kids didn't. I always thought that we had our best teams when we had more kids paying attention.
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Post by coachscdub on Jun 18, 2023 19:59:35 GMT -6
If you make a scouting report for coaches, you should share it with players, IMO. - Maybe not every single thing, because you can give too much information.
Shorten it to the stuff that you find to be the most pertinent to your guys, or even better try and make them targeted to each position group/unit.
I saw one coach on Twitter who discussed how they created an Instagram account that was private and shared their scouting reports and Playbook on it because they knew that their players were always on Instagram.
I am a believer of giving the players the information, sure some or even most of them might not look at it in depth or even at all but it's good to provide it for those who will, and I think it helps you as a coach retain information by summarizing the key points.
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Post by kylem56 on Jun 19, 2023 19:40:01 GMT -6
I think it really depends on the type of kids you have. At my previous school wher I was the HC, we gave them a paper scouting report. They seemed to like that more. I also knew some of the kids didnt have internet at home so doing something digital was not going to be as efficient.
At my current school, we are a 1:1 iPad school, so we upload our scouting reports made on google slides to a google classroom page just for football. We also make a short 6-8 clip playlist.
Like other posters have said, be smart about how much information you give them. Too much is overload and confusion. Its like a study guide for a test, give them what they need to know, and review through the week. Our DC only covers an oppoenent's top 3 runs, 3 passes, and 3 formations. Thats it. Anything beyond that is not going to be remembered. On special teams, I focus on 1-2 bullet points of information per unit, and on offense, we basically just focus on are they odd-even or TNT (we're double tight T).
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 20, 2023 3:15:52 GMT -6
I share what they need to know on Google Drive. Less=more.
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Post by hlb2 on Jun 21, 2023 10:29:23 GMT -6
I still do paper scouting reports. I actually find most of the kids like to get them. We do not find any laying around because we handle that with some extracurricular drills the kids do not care for. The upperclassmen also handle this. Everyone gets one. I'm the DC, so our scouting report consists of:
1. Cover Sheet with opponent, location of game and motivational message as well as pictures of their top players. 2. Personnel sheet (2 deep if possible) with height and weight (from Maxpreps, guessed off film or from our scouts who went to the game). 3. Summary sheet- directly from Hudl (their summary report). 4. Hit charts of their formations grouped together by personnel. This is Hudl's formation report. I used to draw these myself either by hand or in Hudl Playbook, but Hudl does these for you, so I just use those and teach the kids how to read them. 5. Any special pressure or front, or anything out of the ordinary is added at the end of the report.
Coaches get one, and I feel if it's good enough for the coaches, it's good enough for the players.
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Post by wingfi on Jun 21, 2023 18:24:59 GMT -6
Not trying to shill a product, but we've been using JustPlay for scouting reports for a few seasons now. I used to create a HUDL playlist/cutup with notes to share out as a scouting report. I can do the same thing on JustPlay and I'm happier with the presentation. Most of the players have the app downloaded on their devices but for those without phones it works just as well on the school issued Chromebooks.
I also provide a paper copy scouting report for special teams.
For those who are unfamiliar, JustPlay is an online platform for digital playbooks and presentations. You pay per user (eg: team of 100 at, complete estimation, 30 bucks a user, comes to appx $3000 annually. So yes, you need to have disposable income in your program to play with OR make something like this a priority over other things. We are paying about 1500 bucks for about 45 licenses but their whole pricing works on a sliding scale. Not to mention, TCU making the title game and unleashing a few articles the week before about how their team uses JustPLay has created some justifiable price hikes). I have no idea their actual cost as they keep that pretty private until you go down the rabbit hole with them and sign up for a demo.
To answer the original question, I feel like JustPlay has saved a little bit of time compared to when I did a Powerpoint style HUDL cutup as you mentioned. It's not astronomical unfortunately. My main positive for working with JustPlay is the scouting report dings on the players phone once a week while they are busy scrolling on TikTok and texting. I've seen positive results (via data tracking clicks, tracking time spent on the JustPLay platform, and getting a pulse on the teams knowledge via quick chats while they enter the locker room on Monday for practice).
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Post by carookie on Jun 21, 2023 19:35:25 GMT -6
I stay with paper, and as others said kids seem to keep track of them and use them. I think the key is to not overwhelm them with lots of info (although Ive learned that we all have different views on what that means), rather with pertinent info that is useable.
Paint with a broad brush and find big useable tendencies with significant sample sizes, don't try to force anything with Vin Scully explanations: ie if they are in single back, with #84 in the slot, to the boundary, on first or third downs, then they run the ball 87% of the time, except when they motion, or if it is an odd numbered quarter
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Post by sbackes on Jun 30, 2023 15:48:09 GMT -6
We don’t hand them out. We watch a ton of film with our players (only way to guarantee they see it). We show them how they defended different formations and what we’ll run against them. Then we rep the heck out of those plays.
I give my OL a scout sheet for THEM to fill out as we watch film. There is a spot for each box defender. For the DL they fill in: Jersey #, Normal alignment, “different” alignment and what it indicates, reaction to a block to him (penetrate or cross face), reaction to a block away (squeeze or run upfield), favorite initial pass rush move, favorite counter pass rush move, backups jersey #, what is different about the backup.
For LBs we fill out the same info + blitz keys instead of pass rush moves.
Some of our guys take extra time with this and really develop a deep understanding of our opponents. They just need a little structure to help guide them.
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