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Post by ocinaz on Feb 27, 2006 19:06:30 GMT -6
We have played in these games with a couple different formats.
#1 Basic rules, scoring is just like "regular" football, are able to get 1 first down, 3.75 seconds to throw, extra point if you score, you are driving the entrie time. d gets a point if they hold the O to 3 straight plays w/o a completion, gets 2 points for int. Time limit is 30 minutes.
#2 Your are either on O or D for 25 minutes straight, we have played where you can drive down the field or just start from same place after every snap. After time is up, you then rotate to play another team fro 25 minutes, switching from O to D or vice versa.
My question is. Which do you prefer? Why do you prefer that one?
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Post by bluboy on Feb 27, 2006 19:49:24 GMT -6
Have you ever tried this way? One team gets the ball for 10 plays from midlfield, then switches. Then the offense gets the ball from the 20 for 5 plays and the 10 for 5 plays, then switches again. A number of tournaments in this area are run this way, and most coaches seem to like it.
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Post by ocinaz on Feb 27, 2006 20:12:34 GMT -6
I like that idea. Is score kept? I am just looking for opinions from other coaches as to what they all think is beneficial to them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 28, 2006 9:31:36 GMT -6
Best format possible...PASS SKEL PRACTICE. If you find a few teams that are willing to do such a thing, I would suggest setting everything up JUST like practice. Coaches on the field, post play feedback and instruction, occasional draw or running play etc.
I've found that the summer league 7-on-7 games are really just too far fetched to provide the best possible transfer to fall football. Last summer, I saw teams doing things so unfundamentally sound. One team was doubling a teams WR as if he was a gunner on a punt team. I have seen teams that run the triple option show up and play 5 wide. While that might be a very tiny part of their offense, I feel that just having a practice where they run their actual PASSING GAME (which will be PAP most likely) will benefit them much better in the fall.
Just my opinion. I am not a fan of the new wave of 7-on-7 stuff. It is becoming a different sport.
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Post by brophy on Mar 1, 2006 9:52:23 GMT -6
We've always seen 10 plays at the 40 (usually have two games on one field). then switch....repeat
THEN
5 plays from the 10 for each team
then tally the scores.
The biggest 'violator' is when the rules don't stipulate that there must be 3 players within 5 yards of the ball....otherwise we will see teams on defense line up 2 deep with 3 shallow (at 7 yards) 2 intermediate (at 12 yards) and 2 deep (at 20 yards)
timed 4 secs per play
every play starts from the 40 - no advancement of ball.
1 pt for every play over 10 yds
2 pts for every play over 20 yds
3 pts for play in endzone
defense gets
1 pt for tip (and no catch)
2 pt for sack (expired time)
3 pts for interception
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Post by jhanawa on Mar 1, 2006 10:39:20 GMT -6
As above, we start on the 40 with two games going.
10 plays on offense, if you get down to within the 10 yard line, you can have no more than 4 cracks at it, if offense doesn't get in, it goes back to the 40.
Interceptions are dead ball, offense goes back to the 40
Score is 6 for TD, extra point can be from 5yd line for 1 or 10yd line for two, extra points do not count towards the 10 play total.
Defense must have 3 players within 5yds of LOS.
We allow outside runs, nothing between tackles area, we do this as much to help the defense "keep it real" as for the offense to move the ball.
One hand touch
No blocking
We have used the "stool" with a timer in it and a hand held timer, 4 seconds max. for ball to be thrown or across the LOS (reverse,etc)
Penalty wise, if we have refs, we want formation alignments flagged and any illegal/heavy contact. If we don't have refs, we as coaches from both teams get together and agree to police our own teams.
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Post by NCcoach on Mar 1, 2006 17:24:39 GMT -6
A local college sponsors a 7 on 7 tournament every year. It is really great. There are about 32 teams there who play each other in 4 pools of 8 teams giving everyone 7 games. After the pools are finished playing each other, a tournament is held and a trophy is awarded. It is great fun and has been a good way for us to cap off our 7 on 7 summer season. Games have a time limit and officials (usually 2, one for the drop clock and one for the field). The offense starts at the 40 and has 3 plays to go 15 yards to get a 1st down. Points are awarded for a TD, extra point for the conversion, and points for a turnover, either by INT, Fumble, or on downs. I don't remember exactly what the point breakdown was. I agree, some teams do stuff that is nothing like what they do during the season. We run our offense and our defense and feel like we get a lot of value out of it. In my opinion the biggest advantage 7 on 7 offers is fun. Kids today play AAU, Legion, and all other sorts of rec sports that kids get to go out and just play games. It is fun to compete. 7 on 7, when used advantageously, can give football the "fun" factor in the summer when it is difficult to get players to show up in the summer. To those coaches that refuse to embrace 7 on 7, GREAT!!! I need any advantage I can get. If you don't want to use this recruiting tool, all the better for me and my program.  |
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Post by yspace on Mar 2, 2006 19:04:32 GMT -6
Best format possible...PASS SKEL PRACTICE. If you find a few teams that are willing to do such a thing, I would suggest setting everything up JUST like practice. Coaches on the field, post play feedback and instruction, occasional draw or running play etc. I've found that the summer league 7-on-7 games are really just too far fetched to provide the best possible transfer to fall football. Last summer, I saw teams doing things so unfundamentally sound. One team was doubling a teams WR as if he was a gunner on a punt team. I have seen teams that run the triple option show up and play 5 wide. While that might be a very tiny part of their offense, I feel that just having a practice where they run their actual PASSING GAME (which will be PAP most likely) will benefit them much better in the fall. Just my opinion. I am not a fan of the new wave of 7-on-7 stuff. It is becoming a different sport. I am 100% in agreement with this. This is the direction we've gone and it's helped. I think there's a time and place to compete, but, by and large, we try to hook up with teams of a similar philosophy and do almost exactly what coach is describing. We are going to expand this thought with those teams this summer and manufacture some situations: For example, do one set of ten plays - base situations, one set of 3rd down ladder with chains to mark down & distance, one set of Red Zone move the ball, and so on. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 3, 2006 21:06:29 GMT -6
yspace...excellent Ideas.
Just to clarify...I am not "ANTI" practicing the passing game obviously. I am ANTI the pseudo sport that is 7-on-7 tournaments with 15 yard first downs, point scoring systems,Everyone lining up 8-10 yards deep etc.
I do agree though, the fun element is a nice reward. Unfortunately Football is the "least" fun sport in that you can't play the actual sport all year long. Eveyrone can play legion, aau and summer basketball..etc. but it is just conditioning for football. I just think you need to work the right type of 7-on7 environment into the equation.
There have even been some supporters in Louisiana who are trying to make it a LHSAA sponsored sport.
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Post by NCcoach on Mar 4, 2006 7:29:33 GMT -6
yspace...excellent Ideas. Just to clarify...I am not "ANTI" practicing the passing game obviously. I am ANTI the pseudo sport that is 7-on-7 tournaments with 15 yard first downs, point scoring systems,Everyone lining up 8-10 yards deep etc. I do agree though, the fun element is a nice reward. Unfortunately Football is the "least" fun sport in that you can't play the actual sport all year long. Eveyrone can play legion, aau and summer basketball..etc. but it is just conditioning for football. I just think you need to work the right type of 7-on7 environment into the equation. 7 on 7 tournaments give football that fun factor this is missing in the off season. Legion and aau are not conditioning for football, they are conditioning for sport specialization. 7 on 7 is the only weapon we have to combat this blatant assault on the sport of football. I see the big picture. We have used OUR defense and offense in 7 on 7 tournaments and had great success, more success than those guys lining everyone up 10 yards deep (we pick them apart). However, 7 on 7 tournaments do force COACHES to have a more thorough understanding of coverage in order to run their defense (and offense) honestly. Spot dropping alone will not cut it. A spot drop 3 deep zone will be picked apart. An offense that has receivers run route cuts at specific yardage and does not make route adjustments according to coverage will also struggle. Those that have a greater understanding of the passing game on both sides of the ball will have success in tournaments and find usefulness in 7 on 7. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 4, 2006 16:17:49 GMT -6
NCcoach. You mis understood part of my post. The AAU and LEGION part of my post was stating that BASKETBALL and BASEBALL have summer leagues, but the only summer activity for football is conditioning.
I respectfully disagree with you on the usefulness of the 7 on 7 tournaments. I agree it gives the fun factor, but I think that factor and competitiveness can be captured in a more academic setting such as Pass Skel Scrimmages versus other teams that share that philosophy. One that allows you to run the exact offense and coverages you will run in the season.
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Post by bigdaddyd on Mar 4, 2006 16:54:26 GMT -6
Coaches all great ideas!! this is our format we use for our HUGE 16 team 7on7 Tournament. We only do it once a year (also our fund Raiser), but we get a good response from the teams that participate. We want it to be, as realistic as you can get...lol... for 7on7. So, we implement a 20 minute running clock and Refs for each field. format: www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=1220993 |
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Post by NCcoach on Mar 4, 2006 20:24:40 GMT -6
I agree that going off to 7 on 7 tournaments every week in the summer is not really a great idea. However, I do think 1 or 2 tournaments can be used advantageously.
For example, we have a 7 on 7 scrimmage lined up every Wednesday this summer. We will go against one other team from the area each night. Coaches will be on the field coaching the entire time. We end our 7 on 7 "season" by attending a tournament to cap things off. This gives us something to build toward. Players and coaches both have a lot of fun, do a lot of teaching/learning and the numbers are good.
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Post by Coach Huey on Mar 4, 2006 23:09:12 GMT -6
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 5, 2006 8:01:53 GMT -6
Our local league uses a four team system for each field. All the plays are run from the 40 yard line. A team's defense will be on the field for 12 straight plays. The other three teams rotate running plays against the defense. Good for the offense in that you can get some coaching in while the other teams are running plays. Tough to do much coaching on defense. There are no points scored which some coaches think is good and some think are bad. Less cut throat and competitive than other 7-on-7 leagues. You have decide whether that is good or not. Benefit may be that you can get more coaching in.
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