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Post by groundchuck on Apr 24, 2023 8:06:46 GMT -6
I interviewed for a head coach job recently. The interview committee consisted of two adults (AD+one admin) and two players. A current junior and a current sophomore. The whole panel took turns asking questions.
I did not get the job and the reason I was told is the coach who got the job won out was because the players liked that he had coached a 5-star kid at one of his previous schools. The players liked the idea of being coached by "that guy's coach."
Now in my mind I dodged a bullet. There were other red flags that came up in the interview. They kept talking about how talented the upcoming team was and my response was that it takes more than talent. When I said that the players exchanged a look.
I can't see how the two adults could go against what the players wanted because it would get out that players chose one coach and the AD chose another. And if things started going to south they could do south in a hurry. So like I said I dodged a bullet.
I can see the AD meeting with the most mature members of the team and polling them about what they would like to see/what's important to them. But then not giving them a place at the table. To me that is just asinine.
Is this becoming more common place? Adults in admin positions allowing teenage boys to make hiring decisions?
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Post by wolverine55 on Apr 24, 2023 8:18:38 GMT -6
I know at our school there is always a panel of students when we interview for superintendent, principal, and head sports coaches. I can't imagine their opinion sways anything though. I think it's a feel-good to say that all "stakeholders" are included in the process.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 24, 2023 8:42:45 GMT -6
I know ADs have talked to members of the sports teams prior to interviews in order to get some feedback. But, I've never heard of kids basically dictating who's hired.
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 24, 2023 9:42:41 GMT -6
I interviewed for a head coach job recently. The interview committee consisted of two adults (AD+one admin) and two players. A current junior and a current sophomore. The whole panel took turns asking questions. I did not get the job and the reason I was told is the coach who got the job won out was because the players liked that he had coached a 5-star kid at one of his previous schools. The players liked the idea of being coached by "that guy's coach." Now in my mind I dodged a bullet. There were other red flags that came up in the interview. They kept talking about how talented the upcoming team was and my response was that it takes more than talent. When I said that the players exchanged a look. I can't see how the two adults could go against what the players wanted because it would get out that players chose one coach and the AD chose another. And if things started going to south they could do south in a hurry. So like I said I dodged a bullet. I can see the AD meeting with the most mature members of the team and polling them about what they would like to see/what's important to them. But then not giving them a place at the table. To me that is just asinine. Is this becoming more common place? Adults in admin positions allowing teenage boys to make hiring decisions? In theory, the idea of having players involved in the hiring process is cool, but this type of situation shows why it's maybe not the greatest idea in the world... You definitely dodged a bullet on this one, even if it's frustrating |
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Post by coachdmyers on Apr 24, 2023 9:47:19 GMT -6
There have been players at each interview I've done. But I can't think of a time when they held as much sway as you're describing. It's possible that they're unfamiliar with the phrase "the committee decided to go a different direction" and the kids are a scapegoat, but either way I'd agree with your assessment that these are red flags. Either the adults can't communicate tough decisions effectively or they're giving way too much power to the kids.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 24, 2023 11:05:40 GMT -6
HS students lending opinions at an interview?
Sounds like PC nonsense to me.
Then again, at 74 years of age I'm kind of traditional and old school.
Adults should be left alone to do adult things.
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Post by jg78 on Apr 24, 2023 13:02:38 GMT -6
Terrible idea to have players present at an interview. Let adults make adult decisions.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 24, 2023 14:06:51 GMT -6
Terrible idea to have players present at an interview. Let adults make adult decisions. Exactly. Why should a teenager have any say so in something that will affect a coach's career? Like I said...this sounds like a load of politically correct horse dung. |
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Post by blb on Apr 24, 2023 14:31:53 GMT -6
It's not "becoming" a thing.
I interviewed in front of a panel including players ~30 years ago.
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Post by redandwhite on Apr 24, 2023 14:43:32 GMT -6
I know at our school there is always a panel of students when we interview for superintendent, principal, and head sports coaches. I can't imagine their opinion sways anything though. I think it's a feel-good to say that all "stakeholders" are included in the process. 1) The "all stakeholders" thing is definitely a thing, and 2 of the last three jobs I've had, going back to almost 30 years ago, have had students and Booster Club members as part of the process. 2) I think it is more than a "feel good" because too many adults don't want to make adult decisions. |
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Post by redandwhite on Apr 24, 2023 14:45:36 GMT -6
Not to mention, being a 5 Star players has a heckuva lot more to do with genetics than with coaching, and anyone who knows horse hockey about it knows that's true.
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Post by chi5hi on Apr 24, 2023 15:24:34 GMT -6
It's not "becoming" a thing. I interviewed in front of a panel including players ~30 years ago. High school players? |
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Post by blb on Apr 24, 2023 16:38:06 GMT -6
It's not "becoming" a thing. I interviewed in front of a panel including players ~30 years ago. High school players? Yes. And it wasn't the only time. Curiously I never got the job when players were involved in the interview process. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 24, 2023 17:15:37 GMT -6
Yes. And it wasn't the only time. Curiously I never got the job when players were involved in the interview process. Lol surprise surprise 😄🙄 People man, people... |
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 24, 2023 17:16:42 GMT -6
Not to mention, being a 5 Star players has a heckuva lot more to do with genetics than with coaching, and anyone who knows horse hockey about it knows that's true. Yeah but there's sports and exercise academics who try to argue genetics isn't a factor until you get to the Olympic level 😄 |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 24, 2023 17:39:15 GMT -6
Players in interview =  |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2023 18:21:13 GMT -6
The inclusion of "stakeholders" is just stupid PC {censored}.
I had 1 interview that included kids. I knew walking in the room I wouldn't take the job for that reason, so I just answered everything very truthfully. No filter. It was a funny interview. Shockingly I didn't get the job. I wouldn't have taken it anyway.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2023 18:22:03 GMT -6
Not to mention, being a 5 Star players has a heckuva lot more to do with genetics than with coaching, and anyone who knows horse hockey about it knows that's true. Yeah but there's sports and exercise academics who try to argue genetics isn't a factor until you get to the Olympic level 😄 Those people are {censored} stupid. You don't get to be 6'5 and 300lbs by hard work. |
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Post by CS on Apr 24, 2023 19:22:38 GMT -6
If I walked in and there were kids on the panel I’m walking out
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 24, 2023 19:28:33 GMT -6
If I walked in and there were kids on the panel I’m walking out I'm kinda the same, but I'd driven an hour to get there, so, I figured I'd amuse myself. |
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Post by CS on Apr 25, 2023 3:53:42 GMT -6
If I walked in and there were kids on the panel I’m walking out I'm kinda the same, but I'd driven an hour to get there, so, I figured I'd amuse myself. That would make me want to leave more because they wasted an hour of my time. I love working with kids but even the smart ones are dumba$$es. Having kids on a hiring panel just shows how out of touch those admin are |
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Post by Defcord on Apr 25, 2023 5:24:52 GMT -6
I'm kinda the same, but I'd driven an hour to get there, so, I figured I'd amuse myself. That would make me want to leave more because they wasted an hour of my time. I love working with kids but even the smart ones are dumba$$es. Having kids on a hiring panel just shows how out of touch those admin are Well the dumbasss kids got that DNA from somewhere...they just get more experienced in stupidity with time. |
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Post by knightfan64 on Apr 25, 2023 6:15:24 GMT -6
Had my first ever head coaching interview with kids in it last week. Was an odd experience to say the least lol. It was about a panel of 10-12 including the two players. One funny joke, I got up there before they introduced themselves and did a 15 minute presentation about what the program would like with me in charge. I sold air raid scheme as part of what I was bringing. Then everyone introduced themselves. The kids introduced themselves as the Quarterback and the Wide Receiver. Glad I wasn't selling Power I and Wing T I guess.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Apr 26, 2023 8:16:24 GMT -6
There's nothing inherently wrong with players being involved, but it doesn't amount to anything. They're kids, they shouldn't be involved in serious decision making, they don't have the prior knowledge to make reasonable and informed decisions. We are living in a time when far too many adults defer to children in decision making, yes they're "stakeholders" but they don't have the capacity to make good decisions, and definitely not decisions that will impact them for the next few years but will impact the rest of that coaches career.
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Post by CS on Apr 26, 2023 17:30:33 GMT -6
There's nothing inherently wrong with players being involved, but it doesn't amount to anything. They're kids, they shouldn't be involved in serious decision making, they don't have the prior knowledge to make reasonable and informed decisions. We are living in a time when far too many adults defer to children in decision making, yes they're "stakeholders" but they don't have the capacity to make good decisions, and definitely not decisions that will impact them for the next few years but will impact the rest of that coaches career. How can you say in one sentence that there is nothing wrong with kids being an involved then give great reasons why they shouldn’t be? Kids 100% should not be involved |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Apr 27, 2023 4:32:36 GMT -6
Well, as I wrote it I talked myself out of it.
Them being in the room and voicing their opinion is fine I guess but if I was on the interview panel their opinion wouldn't carry much weight. Its kinda like as a OC, I listen to what team leaders have to say but I'm not gonna determine what offense we run and what the heart of our play calling is based on their opinions.
Were trying to develop young men beyond football, letting a few leaders be involved in the process can be a good learning experience and benefit them later on.
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Post by woodyboyd on Apr 27, 2023 11:05:46 GMT -6
The key word is stakeholders. I recently interviewed for three positions in education. All three of these had more than 18 people on the interviewing committee, and all three committees had teachers, administrators, board members, community members, and students. As a department chair, I routinely participate in interviews in our building. We typically have 20+ people on the committee, and they always include students. It’s kind of a joke. The people who do well are the big “personalities.” The people who win these interviews have a big smiles and high energy but that doesn’t always translate to success in the classroom or on the football field. I think this is the wave of the future and I am not a fan.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 27, 2023 11:09:55 GMT -6
I'm not sure I'd ever get a HC job today and into the future given my personality and style. It was hard enough for me 20 years ago.
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Post by blb on Apr 27, 2023 11:18:38 GMT -6
Once interviewed at a school that had two players on the panel.
They hired a guy who was out of coaching the previous year, had a losing record at his last job, and whom I had beaten 56-0 head-to-head a few years before.
But he told them he was going to run The Spread.
It was a bad job and I'm glad I didn't get it (got a MUCH better one the next year). Coach they hired did not have a winning season there.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 27, 2023 11:38:05 GMT -6
I interviewed at my alma mater for a 2nd round interview that had a panel. The panel was- Superintendent, AD, HS Asst principal (former "HC" who quit the first day of two a days- the principal was never involved in the process), the girls head track coach who is not a teacher, and a board member (woman, former elementary teacher, never coached a sport in her life). I did not get the job, but they hired one of my assistants. I applied a year later after he quit and they hired another one of my assistants over me.
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