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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 13, 2023 8:22:15 GMT -6
I saw a lot of elements of high school football offensively last night. Snap it to your best guy and let him go. QB sneaks to get a first.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 13, 2023 14:12:43 GMT -6
Going for it on 4th down!
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Post by irishdog on Feb 13, 2023 17:02:39 GMT -6
Actually saw KC run a couple of counters!
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 13, 2023 18:57:18 GMT -6
Maybe this isn't true in HS- but with aiding the runner apparently not a penalty anymore, I don't know why someone hasn't come up with a short yardage package of a Hback or sturdy QB under center with some OL or DL directly behind them in the backfield to basically just shove them forward 2-3 yards.
Heck, you could probably get a few 1st downs out of it by just running sneak. I once did that in a JV game, just ran a play we called Wyoming where the Center snaps it and he and the QB are the only two offensive people to move. Gained 15 yards on 3 plays.
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 13, 2023 18:57:48 GMT -6
Buck sweep from a pro set
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 13, 2023 19:03:48 GMT -6
I've been saying it for years, we're getting to the point where stuff like that is going to be coming back en vogue because it will be "new" and no one will be prepared to stop it. We're about 10-15 years from fullbacks and the I formation being the Glazier topic of the year.
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Post by brettdj on Feb 14, 2023 6:37:53 GMT -6
Maybe this isn't true in HS- but with aiding the runner apparently not a penalty anymore, I don't know why someone hasn't come up with a short yardage package of a Hback or sturdy QB under center with some OL or DL directly behind them in the backfield to basically just shove them forward 2-3 yards. Heck, you could probably get a few 1st downs out of it by just running sneak. I once did that in a JV game, just ran a play we called Wyoming where the Center snaps it and he and the QB are the only two offensive people to move. Gained 15 yards on 3 plays. High School still contains the wording of pushing the ball carrier is illegal. NCAA and NFL removed pushing several years ago. NCAA and NFHS still contain grasp, pull or lift the runner as a foul. |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 14, 2023 11:29:52 GMT -6
Buck sweep from a pro set Packer Sweep, not Buck Sweep. |
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2023 13:07:58 GMT -6
Buck sweep from a pro set Packer Sweep, not Buck Sweep. Yep. Was about to post that. |
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 14, 2023 14:18:03 GMT -6
Po tay to, po tah to, at least in this context. Probably right that it was based on the Packer sweep, which the west coast guys ran for years (and Reid is from that tree). How they run it looks almost verbatim like the "buck sweep" that a lot of spread teams run, especially since they ran it weak.
Either way, really fun play.
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2023 15:04:15 GMT -6
Maybe this isn't true in HS- but with aiding the runner apparently not a penalty anymore, I don't know why someone hasn't come up with a short yardage package of a Hback or sturdy QB under center with some OL or DL directly behind them in the backfield to basically just shove them forward 2-3 yards. Heck, you could probably get a few 1st downs out of it by just running sneak. I once did that in a JV game, just ran a play we called Wyoming where the Center snaps it and he and the QB are the only two offensive people to move. Gained 15 yards on 3 plays. I hate that they got rid of the aiding the runner penalty, but am fully ready for more of what you've described. They institute all these pro passing rules in the name of 'safety' yet allow this full on scrum to take place. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2023 15:23:19 GMT -6
Maybe this isn't true in HS- but with aiding the runner apparently not a penalty anymore, I don't know why someone hasn't come up with a short yardage package of a Hback or sturdy QB under center with some OL or DL directly behind them in the backfield to basically just shove them forward 2-3 yards. Heck, you could probably get a few 1st downs out of it by just running sneak. I once did that in a JV game, just ran a play we called Wyoming where the Center snaps it and he and the QB are the only two offensive people to move. Gained 15 yards on 3 plays. I hate that they got rid of the aiding the runner penalty, but am fully ready for more of what you've described. They institute all these pro passing rules in the name of 'safety' yet allow this full on scrum to take place. There seems to be serious talk about cracking down on the pushing this offseason. |
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Post by CoachK on Feb 14, 2023 15:29:25 GMT -6
Po tay to, po tah to, at least in this context. Probably right that it was based on the Packer sweep, which the west coast guys ran for years (and Reid is from that tree). How they run it looks almost verbatim like the "buck sweep" that a lot of spread teams run, especially since they ran it weak. Either way, really fun play. I coached in a die-hard Walshian system for a year, we called it BOB. I don't remember why. Back-On-Backer maybe? |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 15, 2023 6:48:31 GMT -6
Po tay to, po tah to, at least in this context. Probably right that it was based on the Packer sweep, which the west coast guys ran for years (and Reid is from that tree). How they run it looks almost verbatim like the "buck sweep" that a lot of spread teams run, especially since they ran it weak. Either way, really fun play. You're right that it is similar to the play that Gun teams run as Buck Sweep. Under center though there are several important differences between Buck Sweep and Packer Sweep. Running it to the weak side was interesting to me, but KC knew what they were doing as the play side DE squeezed hard and gave the FB a easy block on the edge. |
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Post by blb on Feb 15, 2023 7:24:24 GMT -6
Po tay to, po tah to, at least in this context. Probably right that it was based on the Packer sweep, which the west coast guys ran for years (and Reid is from that tree). How they run it looks almost verbatim like the "buck sweep" that a lot of spread teams run, especially since they ran it weak. Either way, really fun play. You're right that it is similar to the play that Gun teams run as Buck Sweep. Under center though there are several important differences between Buck Sweep and Packer Sweep. Running it to the weak side was interesting to me, but KC knew what they were doing as the play side DE squeezed hard and gave the FB a easy block on the edge. Lombardi ran his Sweep Weak too. He just had SE cut split down and Crack on OLBer. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 15, 2023 7:54:43 GMT -6
Who is this Lombardi guy? Is he even on Twitter?
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Post by silkyice on Feb 15, 2023 8:05:20 GMT -6
Who is this Lombardi guy? Is he even on Twitter? I'll pm you his Insta. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 15, 2023 11:01:51 GMT -6
Who is this Lombardi guy? Is he even on Twitter? I'll pm you his Insta.
Nothing like an I-phone seance.
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Post by center on Feb 15, 2023 11:17:33 GMT -6
I've been saying it for years, we're getting to the point where stuff like that is going to be coming back en vogue because it will be "new" and no one will be prepared to stop it. We're about 10-15 years from fullbacks and the I formation being the Glazier topic of the year. Starting to see this more in major college football. Georgia and Michigan know how to load it up. At the D3 level North Central ran over everyone with a TE and H backs on the field a lot. Rushed for over 350 a game. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 15, 2023 11:22:37 GMT -6
I've been saying it for years, we're getting to the point where stuff like that is going to be coming back en vogue because it will be "new" and no one will be prepared to stop it. We're about 10-15 years from fullbacks and the I formation being the Glazier topic of the year. Starting to see this more in major college football. Georgia and Michigan know how to load it up. At the D3 level North Central ran over everyone with a TE and H backs on the field a lot. Rushed for over 350 a game. Even seeing teams in our area start to get away from the spread formations and back into the I. We play a multiple formation pro-style team (think kind of like Iowa) where they run a ton of wide zone but dress it up with a ton of different motions with PA off of everything. Total PITA to prepare for. |
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Post by raider92 on Feb 15, 2023 11:38:31 GMT -6
Starting to see this more in major college football. Georgia and Michigan know how to load it up. At the D3 level North Central ran over everyone with a TE and H backs on the field a lot. Rushed for over 350 a game. Even seeing teams in our area start to get away from the spread formations and back into the I. We play a multiple formation pro-style team (think kind of like Iowa) where they run a ton of wide zone but dress it up with a ton of different motions with PA off of everything. Total PITA to prepare for. In my DC days the toughest game prep I ever had was a pro style team who used 12/13/21/22 personnel groupings to run IZ, OZ, Power, Counter, and Pin and Pull toss. They motioned, shifted, or both, on every play, had an effective drop back game, and had absolutely devastating play action stuff that was totally new every week because they could get into any formation imaginable. Just lining up properly to everything felt impossible and made us revert to the most vanilla calls we had. I will say however, when they couldn't get that run game humming they had a really tough time. The play action wasnt as effective and their dropback game was much more designed to take advantage of soft zone coverages on early downs. (Not that any of that is unique to pro style offenses but was notable because of how unstoppable they felt when it was humming) |
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 15, 2023 11:44:53 GMT -6
Even seeing teams in our area start to get away from the spread formations and back into the I. We play a multiple formation pro-style team (think kind of like Iowa) where they run a ton of wide zone but dress it up with a ton of different motions with PA off of everything. Total PITA to prepare for. In my DC days the toughest game prep I ever had was a pro style team who used 12/13/21/22 personnel groupings to run IZ, OZ, Power, Counter, and Pin and Pull toss. They motioned, shifted, or both, on every play, had an effective drop back game, and had absolutely devastating play action stuff that was totally new every week because they could get into any formation imaginable. Just lining up properly to everything felt impossible and made us revert to the most vanilla calls we had. I will say however, when they couldn't get that run game humming they had a really tough time. The play action wasnt as effective and their dropback game was much more designed to take advantage of soft zone coverages on early downs. (Not that any of that is unique to pro style offenses but was notable because of how unstoppable they felt when it was humming) Yup, that's what these guys are doing essentially, minus the power. They've been young the past few years but now those kids are upperclassmen so I am expecting them to be a problem this year. |
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 17, 2023 14:48:37 GMT -6
I love scrum football.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2023 15:57:20 GMT -6
Peter King said today (FRI 2-17) on ESPN Radio that he expects NFL to outlaw Eagles' QB Wedge play.
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