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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 11, 2023 21:44:39 GMT -6
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Post by carookie on Jan 11, 2023 23:53:52 GMT -6
Kids today aint tough anymore, he was just trying to toughen them up and hold them accountable/s
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 12, 2023 0:11:19 GMT -6
Kids today aint tough anymore, he was just trying to toughen them up and hold them accountable/s I don't know man, 8 people went to the hospital according to the article?
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Post by carookie on Jan 12, 2023 0:13:45 GMT -6
Kids today aint tough anymore, he was just trying to toughen them up and hold them accountable/s I don't know man, 8 people went to the hospital according to the article? My mistake, i thought “/s” indicated sarcasm
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 12, 2023 0:40:48 GMT -6
I don't know man, 8 people went to the hospital according to the article? My mistake, i thought “/s” indicated sarcasm LOL my b coach
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Post by morris on Jan 12, 2023 6:35:08 GMT -6
I completely agree it was not smart in any way. I put myself in the hospital with the same thing doing kettlebells. I only say that because people don’t realize how easy this can happen when certain things align.
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jan 12, 2023 6:36:46 GMT -6
Coach shouldn’t get fired
Sun should get blacklisted IMO
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2023 7:15:41 GMT -6
I've been following this story from the beginning. Mostly because I feel like there is more to the story behind the scenes than is being reported.
I just saw last night that the kids who went to the doctor were all loading creatine which means they have to up their water intake significantly. If they didn't that would be a huge problem with strenuous workouts and out of the coaches control.
On the flipside 400 push ups in a workout is just dumb. However, my first reaction to 400 push ups in an hour is that it's tough but shouldn't lead to 10 kids being hospitalized with rhabdo unless they were severely out of shape and in which case their bodies wouldn't have allowed them to complete it anyway.
But at the end of the day several of his kids were needing medical attention and that falls on him for whatever reasons it happened.
This story also came at the perfect time as there has been a huge debate over a coaches post practically bragging about how hard they work their kids to the point of puking in trash cans.
It's turned out to be extremely polarizing in the coaches vs S&C communities
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2023 7:38:01 GMT -6
There are over testosteroned morons in the football coaching profession.
In other news, the sky is blue.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 12, 2023 7:40:06 GMT -6
I think the lesson in all of this should be not to use physical activities as punishment.
My first teaching and coaching job almost 20 years ago now, I was lucky enough to work for an AD that was really good. One day I was running a kid after practices and he asked me why. I told him because his English teacher had called the head coach about something. He said DO NOT EVER USE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS A PUNISHMENT. Then asked "what happens if that kid collapses while you are punishing him? Do you want to explain that in court?" It hit home pretty good.
I think there's some nuance though. We use updowns as reminders. We will make kids redo physical activity when they do it wrong. Those both could be seen as using physical activity as a punishment. I don't see it that way and I think I could justify both as a tool to improve their athletic ability. But I still wonder.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Jan 12, 2023 8:08:58 GMT -6
Dude must have gotten a Goggins audio book for Christmas.
#stayhard
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2023 8:31:41 GMT -6
Kids today aint tough anymore, he was just trying to toughen them up and hold them accountable/s
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2023 8:35:29 GMT -6
I've been following this story from the beginning. Mostly because I feel like there is more to the story behind the scenes than is being reported. I just saw last night that the kids who went to the doctor were all loading creatine which means they have to up their water intake significantly. If they didn't that would be a huge problem with strenuous workouts and out of the coaches control. On the flipside 400 push ups in a workout is just dumb. However, my first reaction to 400 push ups in an hour is that it's tough but shouldn't lead to 10 kids being hospitalized with rhabdo unless they were severely out of shape and in which case their bodies wouldn't have allowed them to complete it anyway. But at the end of the day several of his kids were needing medical attention and that falls on him for whatever reasons it happened. This story also came at the perfect time as there has been a huge debate over a coaches post practically bragging about how hard they work there kids to the point of puking in trash cans. It's turned out to be extremely polarizing in the coaches vs S&C communities Hey Coach…can you post some links? I’m really interested. We have way too many kids loading up creatine, using pre-workout and God knows what else, and downing energy drinks like a college kid on nickel beer night. And none of them know what they are doing.
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2023 10:31:07 GMT -6
I've been following this story from the beginning. Mostly because I feel like there is more to the story behind the scenes than is being reported. I just saw last night that the kids who went to the doctor were all loading creatine which means they have to up their water intake significantly. If they didn't that would be a huge problem with strenuous workouts and out of the coaches control. On the flipside 400 push ups in a workout is just dumb. However, my first reaction to 400 push ups in an hour is that it's tough but shouldn't lead to 10 kids being hospitalized with rhabdo unless they were severely out of shape and in which case their bodies wouldn't have allowed them to complete it anyway. But at the end of the day several of his kids were needing medical attention and that falls on him for whatever reasons it happened. This story also came at the perfect time as there has been a huge debate over a coaches post practically bragging about how hard they work there kids to the point of puking in trash cans. It's turned out to be extremely polarizing in the coaches vs S&C communities Hey Coach…can you post some links? I’m really interested. We have way too many kids loading up creatine, using pre-workout and God knows what else, and downing energy drinks like a college kid on nickel beer night. And none of them know what they are doing. www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/01/12/dallas-high-school-football-coach-on-administrative-leave-after-forcing-players-to-do-nearly-400-push-ups/There’s a link to the story. The creatine claim came from a Twitter reporter so who knows if it’s true or not
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2023 10:40:19 GMT -6
I've never delved into the creatine world. I was a Jr/Sr in college before I'd ever heard of it. Besides, gaining mass has never been an issue I struggle with.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jan 12, 2023 11:46:56 GMT -6
I've never delved into the creatine world. I was a Jr/Sr in college before I'd ever heard of it. Besides, gaining mass has never been an issue I struggle with.
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Post by raider92 on Jan 12, 2023 12:40:41 GMT -6
My 2 cents; two things can be true at once.
1. Doing this as a punishment is dumb. One kid getting rhabdo or a heat stroke likely ends your career (unless you're the HC at Maryland). Even if 99.9% of the time it works out fine that little risk isn't worth it to do stuff like this. You can punish guys, get them well conditioned, etc., without doing risky bs
2. IMO, and maybe I'm wrong but, 10 kids don't get rhabdo from doing pushups. You'll be unable to do another rep long before you get rhabdo. Now maybe something else happened but these kids have to have been pounding down obscene amounts of creatine for this to happen. There was a kid in my area who nearly died a few years ago because he thought some creatine=strong so more creatine must=stronger. Good reminder to teach kids about this stuff.
Another good reminder; those moms who smile and make meals for you will turn on you at a moment if you're doing some dumb $hit that makes little Timmy uncomfortable and if he suffers a medical incident as a result you're not coming back from it
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 12, 2023 14:39:35 GMT -6
My 2 cents; two things can be true at once. 1. Doing this as a punishment is dumb. One kid getting rhabdo or a heat stroke likely ends your career (unless you're the HC at Maryland). Even if 99.9% of the time it works out fine that little risk isn't worth it to do stuff like this. You can punish guys, get them well conditioned, etc., without doing risky bs 2. IMO, and maybe I'm wrong but, 10 kids don't get rhabdo from doing pushups. You'll be unable to do another rep long before you get rhabdo. Now maybe something else happened but these kids have to have been pounding down obscene amounts of creatine for this to happen. There was a kid in my area who nearly died a few years ago because he thought some creatine=strong so more creatine must=stronger. Good reminder to teach kids about this stuff. Another good reminder; those moms who smile and make meals for you will turn on you at a moment if you're doing some dumb $hit that makes little Timmy uncomfortable and if he suffers a medical incident as a result you're not coming back from it This is something that I still have a question about...is 400 push ups in an hour enough to cause rhabdo in and of itself? I think it is possible for a couple of reaasons: 1. There was likely a wide range of relative fitness in that room. Probably some skill guys with lean bodies that could do push ups for days. But there were probably other guys who weren't as fit but tried to guy it out 2. I believe that rhabdo becomes more probable when there is a focus put on eccentric stressing of the muscles....so when that kid can't do any more push ups, coach says do negatives...and that might accelerate the problem I'm interested to hear more about the possible abuse of creatine, but I don't think that absolves the coach. I don't understand why more people don't just stick to the tried and true progressive periodization and avoid these kind of sessions entirely.
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Post by raider92 on Jan 12, 2023 15:18:33 GMT -6
My 2 cents; two things can be true at once. 1. Doing this as a punishment is dumb. One kid getting rhabdo or a heat stroke likely ends your career (unless you're the HC at Maryland). Even if 99.9% of the time it works out fine that little risk isn't worth it to do stuff like this. You can punish guys, get them well conditioned, etc., without doing risky bs 2. IMO, and maybe I'm wrong but, 10 kids don't get rhabdo from doing pushups. You'll be unable to do another rep long before you get rhabdo. Now maybe something else happened but these kids have to have been pounding down obscene amounts of creatine for this to happen. There was a kid in my area who nearly died a few years ago because he thought some creatine=strong so more creatine must=stronger. Good reminder to teach kids about this stuff. Another good reminder; those moms who smile and make meals for you will turn on you at a moment if you're doing some dumb $hit that makes little Timmy uncomfortable and if he suffers a medical incident as a result you're not coming back from it This is something that I still have a question about...is 400 push ups in an hour enough to cause rhabdo in and of itself? I think it is possible for a couple of reaasons: 1. There was likely a wide range of relative fitness in that room. Probably some skill guys with lean bodies that could do push ups for days. But there were probably other guys who weren't as fit but tried to guy it out 2. I believe that rhabdo becomes more probable when there is a focus put on eccentric stressing of the muscles....so when that kid can't do any more push ups, coach says do negatives...and that might accelerate the problem I'm interested to hear more about the possible abuse of creatine, but I don't think that absolves the coach. I don't understand why more people don't just stick to the tried and true progressive periodization and avoid these kind of sessions entirely. Oh absolutely, definitely doesn't absolve the coach at all. You've got to read the room as a coach and know when you've pushed too far.
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Post by CS on Jan 12, 2023 15:48:25 GMT -6
My 2 cents; two things can be true at once. 1. Doing this as a punishment is dumb. One kid getting rhabdo or a heat stroke likely ends your career (unless you're the HC at Maryland). Even if 99.9% of the time it works out fine that little risk isn't worth it to do stuff like this. You can punish guys, get them well conditioned, etc., without doing risky bs 2. IMO, and maybe I'm wrong but, 10 kids don't get rhabdo from doing pushups. You'll be unable to do another rep long before you get rhabdo. Now maybe something else happened but these kids have to have been pounding down obscene amounts of creatine for this to happen. There was a kid in my area who nearly died a few years ago because he thought some creatine=strong so more creatine must=stronger. Good reminder to teach kids about this stuff. Another good reminder; those moms who smile and make meals for you will turn on you at a moment if you're doing some dumb $hit that makes little Timmy uncomfortable and if he suffers a medical incident as a result you're not coming back from it This is something that I still have a question about...is 400 push ups in an hour enough to cause rhabdo in and of itself? I think it is possible for a couple of reaasons: 1. There was likely a wide range of relative fitness in that room. Probably some skill guys with lean bodies that could do push ups for days. But there were probably other guys who weren't as fit but tried to guy it out 2. I believe that rhabdo becomes more probable when there is a focus put on eccentric stressing of the muscles....so when that kid can't do any more push ups, coach says do negatives...and that might accelerate the problem I'm interested to hear more about the possible abuse of creatine, but I don't think that absolves the coach. I don't understand why more people don't just stick to the tried and true progressive periodization and avoid these kind of sessions entirely. I’m saying it had to be something other than the push-ups. With bodyweight exercises eventually your muscles will just stop letting you do them and that should be well before rhabdo.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 12, 2023 15:51:54 GMT -6
This is something that I still have a question about...is 400 push ups in an hour enough to cause rhabdo in and of itself? I think it is possible for a couple of reaasons: 1. There was likely a wide range of relative fitness in that room. Probably some skill guys with lean bodies that could do push ups for days. But there were probably other guys who weren't as fit but tried to guy it out 2. I believe that rhabdo becomes more probable when there is a focus put on eccentric stressing of the muscles....so when that kid can't do any more push ups, coach says do negatives...and that might accelerate the problem I'm interested to hear more about the possible abuse of creatine, but I don't think that absolves the coach. I don't understand why more people don't just stick to the tried and true progressive periodization and avoid these kind of sessions entirely. I’m saying it had to be something other than the push-ups. With bodyweight exercises eventually your muscles will just stop letting you do them and that should be well before rhabdo. Agree. My guess is the "400 pushups" is the headline. Just spitballing here, but maybe in a heated room with sweat clothes on and while you aren't doing pushups you are doing up downs or burpees or jogging around the room or whatever. All stupid.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2023 16:52:52 GMT -6
This is something that I still have a question about...is 400 push ups in an hour enough to cause rhabdo in and of itself? I think it is possible for a couple of reaasons: 1. There was likely a wide range of relative fitness in that room. Probably some skill guys with lean bodies that could do push ups for days. But there were probably other guys who weren't as fit but tried to guy it out 2. I believe that rhabdo becomes more probable when there is a focus put on eccentric stressing of the muscles....so when that kid can't do any more push ups, coach says do negatives...and that might accelerate the problem I'm interested to hear more about the possible abuse of creatine, but I don't think that absolves the coach. I don't understand why more people don't just stick to the tried and true progressive periodization and avoid these kind of sessions entirely. I’m saying it had to be something other than the push-ups. With bodyweight exercises eventually your muscles will just stop letting you do them and that should be well before rhabdo. I am incredulous about the 300 pushups. I have high school kids in my PE classes who can't do ONE pushup, let alone 300.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 12, 2023 17:14:57 GMT -6
I’m saying it had to be something other than the push-ups. With bodyweight exercises eventually your muscles will just stop letting you do them and that should be well before rhabdo. I am incredulous about the 300 pushups. I have high school kids in my PE classes who can't do ONE pushup, let alone 300. Herschel Walker could do 2,000 in one day. 😁
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Post by 19delta on Jan 12, 2023 17:21:14 GMT -6
I am incredulous about the 300 pushups. I have high school kids in my PE classes who can't do ONE pushup, let alone 300. Herschel Walker could do 2,000 in one day. 😁 Yeah...he's not in any of my classes.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 12, 2023 17:29:18 GMT -6
Herschel Walker could do 2,000 in one day. 😁 Yeah...he's not in any of my classes. Lol
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 13, 2023 7:55:36 GMT -6
I’m saying it had to be something other than the push-ups. With bodyweight exercises eventually your muscles will just stop letting you do them and that should be well before rhabdo. I am incredulous about the 300 pushups. I have high school kids in my PE classes who can't do ONE pushup, let alone 300. Even crazier, it was FOUR HUNDRED.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 13, 2023 8:26:28 GMT -6
I would be interested to know what the military standards for pushups in an hour are? I would suspect it is under 400, but I could be wrong.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 13, 2023 8:43:44 GMT -6
I would be interested to know what the military standards for pushups in an hour are? I would suspect it is under 400, but I could be wrong. the world record is 3182
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 13, 2023 8:45:05 GMT -6
I had a kid that was a wrestler years ago that knocked out over 500 in a row, he was steadily pressing for almost 20 minutes.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 13, 2023 8:49:49 GMT -6
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