dbeck84
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Post by dbeck84 on Jan 11, 2023 10:02:02 GMT -6
Discussion in another thread got me thinking, and I'm interested how people would answer the following question:
The more talented football team wins ___% of the time.
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Post by Coach.A on Jan 11, 2023 10:38:48 GMT -6
The larger the talent gap, the more often the more talented team wins.
If there's a small talent gap, the percentage is lower.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 11, 2023 11:21:21 GMT -6
I'd say about 75% of the time. Kind of a hard thing to say because of the way the talent is being coached. I've always told coaches that talent sets the ceiling and culture sets the floor. That holds true 100% of the time.
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Post by carookie on Jan 11, 2023 14:51:46 GMT -6
I throw around a saying to the athletes during workouts, "9 times out of 10 the best athletes win", if asked about the 'other time' I will sarcastically reply, "thats when I coach against better athletes and whup 'em none-the-less"
I want to further understand the original question:
If you mean just who has the best athletes, whether naturally or by working out, I'd say probably 60-65% of the time at the HS level. Sometimes the best athletes aren't the best team (lacking skill development or coaching); but more often than not those other factors balance out and the advantage of athleticism is the variable that is different and sways the win to that team.
If by talent you mean both athleticism & skill, I would say probably 70-75% of the time. Though a small amount of the time a more talented team loses because the other team out schemes them, the majority of the time they just lose due to the random variation involved in sports. Essentially, sometimes the consistently better team loses; thats why there hasn't been an undefeated team in the NFL in over 50 years. And though HS ball is less homogenous than the NFL, the same still plays true here.
Teams are not consistent, they have a ceiling and floor, usually they play in the middle of those two. Some teams, say St. John Bosco, have a floor way above most other team's ceiling. That being written, when the better (more talented) team is near their floor, and the worse team near their ceiling.....some times the less talented team wins.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 11, 2023 15:17:36 GMT -6
The larger the talent gap, the more often the more talented team wins. If there's a small talent gap, the percentage is lower. Nailed it on the first response.
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Post by bluboy on Jan 12, 2023 8:38:43 GMT -6
Talent doesn't always win; ORGANIZED talent has a much better chance to win. A few teams in my area are very talented and shouldn't lose a game. With that being said, they lose (early in the year) because they aren't organized or don't play as a team. It's one thing to coach, organize, and create an "all for one" attitude; it's another thing to collect great athletes and simply turn them loose.
Sometimes, when Uranus blocks out the sun , the better team does not win.....
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Post by sweep26 on Jan 12, 2023 12:15:37 GMT -6
I agree...Talent doesn't always win.
All Teams are groups, but not all groups are Teams!
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 12, 2023 13:38:45 GMT -6
Talent doesn't always win; ORGANIZED talent has a much better chance to win. A few teams in my area are very talented and shouldn't lose a game. With that being said, they lose (early in the year) because they aren't organized or don't play as a team. It's one thing to coach, organize, and create an "all for one" attitude; it's another thing to collect great athletes and simply turn them loose. Sometimes, when Uranus blocks out the sun , the better team does not win..... Good point. Talent along with culture come into play. There are many teams of just average High School kids that win a high percentage of their games. There are some talented groups of players, but they are NOT a "team". Those guys are just a group. They're not going to play championship caliber football. However, they'll look real good trying!
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 12, 2023 16:05:15 GMT -6
A. L. Williams' Magic Formula For Winning from his All You Can Do book. He states: 1. You beat 50 percent of the people in America by working hard.
2. You beat another 30 percent by being a person of honesty and integrity and standing for something. 3. The last 20 percent is a dogfight in the free enterprise system. All things equal, talent wins (except when Uranus blocks out the sun, of course) But things aren't equal. Unity, selflessness, preparation, integrity, investment, etc. can go a long way in allowing a less talented team to beat a talented one.
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