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Post by chaconj on Oct 9, 2007 10:49:31 GMT -6
i'm in a program that has been in the gutter for the last 12 years (7 wins) and i feel like my team (JV) is finally moving in the right direction(5-2 so far) and the varsity HC keeps plucking my guys left and right. if they have a good game, see ya. i totally understand that the varsity program is the first priority but, they still haven't won a game and the kids they have taken up are getting a little down.
now in week 8 they want to take another kid to play QB. first of all he's our backup QB and our 1st HB/LB. second why in the world haven't they been repping another QB?
i'm just venting a little because i don't believe the HC is concerned about the future of the program. what do you guys think?
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 9, 2007 11:10:52 GMT -6
Varsity guy is always right, always in that situation. Your team exists solely to supply his with game ready players...it sux but lets face it, thats the way it is. dont be surprised too if a bit of this is nothing more than professional jealousy, ie youre winning, hes not...hes going to bring you down with a sinking ship. it happens.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 9, 2007 11:44:03 GMT -6
the program serves the varsity. whatever is in the varsity's best interest to potentially win a game now is what needs to be done. it's a tough pill to swallow though
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 9, 2007 12:56:41 GMT -6
Contrary to what most are saying I think the HC runs a program not just coaches the varsity. Is it in the best interest of the program to bring those kids up? Will it make a difference in W's and L's for the varsity? It will most definately for the JV's so choose wisely. Some soph are mentally and physically ready to make the transition but many are not and they can be ruined after a season of getting it handed to them- literally and on the score board. It's a decision that must be carefully thought over and should include discussing it with the player and often his parents. The JV head coach and the coach who will be that soph position coach on the varsity should be brought in as well. I'd want to know if these kids were varsity material why was it not recognized until now? The three sophs I brought up have been with us since spring ball- we believed then they were capable and we had 4 additional months to further evaluate them and be certain we were making the right call for them and us (all three start including one who took over the QB spot for the injuried senior and has gone 4-1). Often more is gained by having a JV group stay together and let them become world beaters together.
And to pull a kid up 3/4 of the way through his JV season because he had a good game at the JV level tells me someone is clueless about judging the talent he has.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 9, 2007 12:58:34 GMT -6
I think winning breeds confidence and more winning...but as I said, could be some professional jealousy.
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 9, 2007 18:37:14 GMT -6
In a smaller school that has 36 players, all freshmen and sophmores play JV and once in a while a junior might if he has potential to play his senior season. Some of these players will also play on Friday nite as a starter or a sub. They are young and they need the extra reps. If they play a lot on offense, in the JV they play defense and vice versa. We are trying to build for the future but we also trying to win now.
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Post by tcm57 on Oct 10, 2007 10:30:06 GMT -6
#1, ALL the players in the program and at ALL levels are the Head Coach's, not the head jv coach, head freshman coach etc. Before coaches start bombarding/attacking me with posts, let me say that this is my 7th year as the head coach at our respective school and before that I served as a varsity assistant, head sophomore/jv coach, head freshman coach and head middle school coach over the years so I realize and know this situation very well. We took over a program in '01 with the longest losing streak in the state (largest class) and by utilizing ALL the players in our program we have built it into the defending back-to-back conference champions and 2-time playoff qualifier (first time in school history/est. 1923). We have all sophomore/jv-varsity players together throughout the season and by working together not only has it benefitted our varsity (because that's where the w's truly count) but it has made our soph/jv team beyond competitive and 'hardened' so-to-speak. Our first year I made the mistake of keeping the soph/jv team separate and they had an excellent season won/loss wise - but as we struggled on the varsity level it was plain to see that some of those sophomores could have helped us and gotten invaluable experience "under the lights" that you can't buy anywhere. I've heard coaches say that 'winning' at the lower levels breeds success and to some degree that is true. I believed that when I took over this program. I knew however, I had to change something, so what I did was contact 2 of the most successful (hall of fame) coaches in our state and they both told me that this is what they did and that if a sophomore or even a freshman kid is suited both physically and mentally to play at the varsity level, than play him. I took a alot of heat from parents when we initially did this because the "little league" crowd wants their soph/jv super bowl title, and they'd complain that "the varsity took so-and-so" and "we'd have won if we had so-and-so", etc. But we stayed the course and it not only turned our program around, but frankly saved my job. Let me say this ... the most important thing I do as a head coach is to communicate with our lower level coaches about ALL of us to be on the same page and that they buy into what's best for the program. I've been very fortunate with support of our administration to be able to hire all of my coaches and that also means out-of-building coaches (best person for the job, period). Over the years, I've been forced to fire ('let go' in this politically correct time) coaches that were more worried about winning their "freshman or JV championship" than developing players for the future and sometimes, not so distant future. In fact, we're bringing up a sophomore running back and 2-way player for our game this Friday due to an injury and I just got off the phone with my soph/JV coach -- and what did he ask? ... Quite simply (and with no "I can't believe you're taking my best player" attitude), how much time he would have in today's practice schedule to rep another sophomore to take the player's place. (By the way our soph/JV squad is 4-1 and leading their respective conference). High school football programs are a trickle down concept. If you're not winning on Friday nights, you're not going to get/keep the kids on a consistent basis. And as a staff, it's all about communication, working and supporting each other and rowing in the same direction.
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Post by coachcoyote on Oct 11, 2007 0:29:59 GMT -6
Good post tcm. Too many lower level coaches are worried about their ego and w's. What is lost is how the program will develop. Due to injuries, we've pulled up a soph LB who was probably good enough to be with the Varsity but wouldn't have gotten a great deal of playing time. He's up, will play a great deal this week. He would have gotten more accomplished if he'd been up, but he in now comfortable and is going to be a terror. One Rb has been moved to "D" and we get him occasionally. Would I like to work more with him? Of course, but the other side needed him. Bottom line is he has become a better Rb as a result of the move.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 11, 2007 2:35:06 GMT -6
Quite honestly I think any coach worth his salt does indeed worry about winning and losing- its the quickest indication of whether or not your team was prepared and performed well and gives some insight into what kind of coach you are. Are there other things to consider? of course/ keep in mind that many lower level coaches aspire to MOVE UP THE FOOD CHAIN and sometimes it takes a measure of success in the win column to get that done.
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Post by coachjd on Oct 11, 2007 4:02:22 GMT -6
Great post TCM!! We have mad this move this fall as well. We have as many as 7 sophs who are seeing playing time on Friday nights this fall. We may send them to the soph game on Mondays, but maybe to only play one way. (play offense on Friday nights, play defense on Monday) We too took some heat early in the year because the mentality is junior/seniors = varsity, sophs and a few juniors = JV, etc......
It is the head coaches responsibility to manage the entire program.
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Post by coachdawhip on Oct 11, 2007 4:40:16 GMT -6
I'm 0-6 and start off the season with the 1st game of -10 yards and when the JV boys started to play they are 2-2, I saw players.
I know have 3 freshmen, 3 soph's playing at least 50% of the time on varsity. This was my 1st year at the school and did not know the players I do now, if my JV goes 4-2 and the varsity 0-11, no one will care. Varisty has a chance to finish at least 3-7, which is a game more than they won last year.
I went from -10 yards 1st game to 274 yards of offense last game and the underclassmen made a difference.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 11, 2007 6:05:33 GMT -6
our varsity - top two rushers are sophs, leading rec is a freshman we are 4-2 and could very well be 5-1 ...the jv is 4-2 also I think. Ill disagree that "no one would care if the jv was 0-11" when it comes to our team...all of our jv coaches and players care that our jv wins and I certainly care that they win because I take pride in the performance of the oline.
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Post by chaconj on Oct 11, 2007 9:10:54 GMT -6
i honestly don't have the attitude that "they are taking my best, now i can't win anymore". i just don't agree with how and why they are taking them. they have taken kids that are in there first year, but are pretty good athletes (on the JV level) they are still learning the game of football and it shows on friday nights. we as a coaching staff have never talked about the move it just happens. we show up to practice and i'm wondering where's this kid or that kid.
our last situation is this one: it's week 8, the varsity QB is out for the last 2 games, varsity is 0-7, they haven't repped another QB all year, so on tuesday i show to practice and my 1st string HB is gone to run QB for them (he's our 2nd QB but a better HB that's what he will play next year), it's tues we play thursday, (he's our 1st LB so it's adjustment time) but we are also ok because we have a nice depth chart.
what if their QB got hurt friday night? then what? the communication is non existent and i think their may be a little jealousy but in the long run i want this program to succeed and i'll do whatever the boss asks
let me clarify, i am not against taking better football players to play on fridays at all. the situation i'm in feels like desperation to win. the HC is definitely on the hot seat this season.
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Post by knight9299 on Oct 11, 2007 9:16:05 GMT -6
My rule of thumb is simple. Does pulling the underclassmen make the varsity better right now? If the answer is yes, pull the kid. If the answer is maybe, then you have to ask, how does the loss of this player affect the JV? If the JV has a serviceable backup- pull the guy up and you develop depth with the extra playing time the JV backup gets. But if the backup is a liablility- you can't make the move.
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Post by chaconj on Oct 11, 2007 9:19:15 GMT -6
i agree and since pulling my guys up there has been absolutely no progress in making that team better or my guys. the thing is there is a horrible group of seniors that have the worst attitude about the game, the program and their coaching staff. they are disrespectful and ignorant. they have given the program a bad name. i hate to see my guys exposed to that group. on the other hand i'm confident in what i've taught them and i'm sure they will be alright.(i've been with these sophmores since 8th grade, i'm a little protective)
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Post by knight9299 on Oct 11, 2007 9:31:59 GMT -6
i agree and since pulling my guys up there has been absolutely no progress in making that team better or my guys. the thing is there is a horrible group of seniors that have the worst attitude about the game, the program and their coaching staff. they are disrespectful and ignorant. they have given the program a bad name. i hate to see my guys exposed to that group. on the other hand i'm confident in what i've taught them and i'm sure they will be alright.(i've been with these sophmores since 8th grade, i'm a little protective) I've always thought varsity success is just as much about the lower levels being successful. Losing is a bad habit to break. Winning takes practice too. We are in a situation right now where we have some sophomores that could move up and play. Would the Varsity win more? Maybe. If they stay with the JV, they will win more. Which gives the program something to build on. This is exactly what our Varsity HC said the other day.
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