Torb
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Post by Torb on Sept 24, 2007 10:36:08 GMT -6
How much "live" hitting do you do in season during practice?
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Post by wingtol on Sept 24, 2007 10:56:47 GMT -6
what do you mean by live? as in taking the ball carrier to the ground in a team period? We go 100% live on the line always. we have a pretty quick whistle during offensive team and a bit slower whistle during team D.
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Post by touchdowng on Sept 25, 2007 7:12:45 GMT -6
we are the same as wingtol
We ONLY go fully live in our goalline situations. Otherwise, we "Thud" (wrap up - stay up) in Team O and go a little longer in Team D and will two whistle our Team D sessions to create more pursuit.
Knock on wood - but we have had very few injuries in practice related to tackling - and keeping the boys sharp but healthy is the key to effective practicing.
So far, we've given up 26 points in 4 games and are 4-0. When we were not doing so well, we still stuck to this because it's what we believe in and our players have bought in.
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Post by stackattack on Sept 25, 2007 19:09:24 GMT -6
I think the experience and natural toughness of your kids have to be weighed in the equation. Usually in the first few practices of just thudding and "incidental" contact, we can gauge the level of our players. Last year, we went full go a ton. But we needed too. The kids had no idea how to play at a high level. They were inexperienced and needed to introduced to the violence of the game before game night. This year we Thud all the time and quick whistles all the time. We have some good players but depth is an issue so we can't take the chance of banging up our starters. It has worked well this year.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Sept 26, 2007 8:44:05 GMT -6
How much "live" hitting do you do in season during practice? Once a week, working on backed-up offense for 15 minutes.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 26, 2007 9:02:40 GMT -6
what do you mean by live? as in taking the ball carrier to the ground in a team period? We go 100% live on the line always. we have a pretty quick whistle during offensive team and a bit slower whistle during team D. Exactly what we do... Also, I've almost completely eliminated "tackling" drills as I feel it doesn't simulate game situations...but just lets the good hitters beat the crap out of each other or hurt the weaker hitters.
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Post by coachmathis on Sept 27, 2007 10:39:19 GMT -6
I can't remember the last time we even wore shoulder pads in practice. In the past we usually just grab and wrap up but the linemen are always live except for obviously no cutting
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 27, 2007 11:30:01 GMT -6
coach, I have learned this over and over again. Being physical is not natural. it does not JUST happen on game day. Good tackling does not just happen by butting people up. Getting low is not going to just happen on friday night. I use to think this too...until no matter how much I hit, the same kids would be the hitters, and the same kids would be soft. I think teaching technique of tackling and rep'ing that...even at half speed and without shoulderpads/helmets, is more important than letting the kids hit each other.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 27, 2007 11:36:33 GMT -6
I can't remember the last time we even wore shoulder pads in practice. In the past we usually just grab and wrap up but the linemen are always live except for obviously no cutting We used to not cut live on the line either, until we couldn't cut anyone on offense and couldn't play off a cut on defense. We are live on defense Tuesday 20 minutes, Wednesday 20 minutes. We have a quick whistle on Tuesday and quicker on Wednesday. On offense we are live for 5-10 minutes on the goalline on Tuesday. That is it for the O. The rest is against bags. Our live goalline period is against 11-17 defensive players though. It is tough.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 27, 2007 12:38:01 GMT -6
How much "live" hitting do you do in season during practice? not enough and it showed in our last game. we couldnt tackle anyone.
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Post by wingt74 on Sept 27, 2007 13:15:53 GMT -6
How much "live" hitting do you do in season during practice? not enough and it showed in our last game. we couldnt tackle anyone. The answer to poor tackling isn't having your players beat on each other. Poor tackling is a result of slow feet, over-pursuit, not breaking down, or poor form. To me, using hitting to do a better job of tackling is using the slogan "Practice makes perfect". Breaking down the art of a tackle, working on technique and footwork, the different types of tackles (open field, between tackles) is using the approach "perfect practice makes perfect"
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Post by coachsky on Sept 27, 2007 16:21:03 GMT -6
There is a way to coach toughness and physical play without killing each other in practice.
I am a huge believer in proper tackling fundamentals and always review those every week in defense indies.
We go high wrap and quick whistle in group and team. We will lose three to six starters a year for two or more games because of contact related injuries. I'm not going to risk going full hit in practice because it's the "way to make us tougher". I don't buy that. I also agree that the tough hitters on your team are going to be tough anyways and they are always at higher risk for injury.
The best way to promote toughness is to recognize it when it happens, practices and games. We overemphasis tough hitting and physical play, we call them out during film and go crazy in games when some lights someone up. We see a pancake in film, we slow it down and show everyone, we emphasize the footwork, form, and desire it takes to lay that hit. We talk about the impact it had on the game. We had a huge gang tackle in the second qtr last week that total swung momentum and we dominated the other team from that point. We spent 3 to 5 minutes talking to our kids about that hit and what it did - how it change the game.
We ask the kids before every game " who is going to make the hit - that sets the tone" " the hit that puts doubt or fear in the heart of our opponent'. 50-60 kids raise their hand
We do not have to beat the tar outta of each other to teach and demand physical play. I hope our opponents are doing that, we'll be fresh and healthy, ready to tear their head off and they'll be limping and sore. We had a lineman go down yesterday in team, who'll miss at least this week and a couple years back on the last play of team, the last day of fall camp, we lost a DIV 1 kid for the year.
IF we can string a few wins together we will be playing a team in week 7 that is decimated with injuries. It may have playoff implications, if they are at full health, they would beat us, now we have a chance, IF we stay healthy.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 29, 2007 17:20:32 GMT -6
I can't remember the last time we even wore shoulder pads in practice. In the past we usually just grab and wrap up but the linemen are always live except for obviously no cutting We used to not cut live on the line either, until we couldn't cut anyone on offense and couldn't play off a cut on defense. We are live on defense Tuesday 20 minutes, Wednesday 20 minutes. We have a quick whistle on Tuesday and quicker on Wednesday. On offense we are live for 5-10 minutes on the goalline on Tuesday. That is it for the O. The rest is against bags. Our live goalline period is against 11-17 defensive players though. It is tough. Kinda weird to quote yourself, but even though we only go live 5 minutes a week on offense, we are averaging 400 yards rushing per game against great competion. Problem is, we are giving up way too much on defense. I am actually thinking about cutting back on live defense during the week. We might, hopefully, get better on defense if we concentrate more on our keys instead of just making the tackle during live defense.
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Post by shamespiral on Sept 30, 2007 13:51:00 GMT -6
It's really about the results you get and what's best for you and the kids in your program. I've had teams where we went full speed every day. Take the ball carrier to the ground, cut blocks, hit the qb, everything. And we got results. We were tough. We physically dominated other teams...... We also beat the crap out of each other, the 'grind' took away from our mental focus and we were worn down when the season was over. This year we only wear helmets and T-Shirts on Monday. Tuesday we put on full pads. On Wed. its helmets and shoulder pads. We're 5-0, the defense is playing awesome, and the kids are fresh. Just my 2 cents.
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