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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 7, 2022 14:50:10 GMT -6
We're about 10-10.5 hours per week in the summer over 4 days. It's a pretty good balance I think. Unfortunately two of those days start at 5:30am which sucks for me but the kids don't seem to mind it too much. I know the huge majority do like being done by about 8:15am on Thursday and not back until 2:30pm on Monday. Guaranteed they hate starting at 5:30 I'm sure they do, as do I. I'm not the boss though. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 7, 2022 15:06:10 GMT -6
We're about 10-10.5 hours per week in the summer over 4 days. It's a pretty good balance I think. Unfortunately two of those days start at 5:30am which sucks for me but the kids don't seem to mind it too much. I know the huge majority do like being done by about 8:15am on Thursday and not back until 2:30pm on Monday. What on God's green Earth is the rationale for starting ANY HS activity at 5:30 am?! We sometimes go early to avoid the heat because we live in the desert. But I can't say it's why we go early 2 days a week in the summer when we go in the afternoon on 2 other days. |
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Post by realdawg on Jul 7, 2022 15:08:33 GMT -6
Oh yea. That doesn’t make a lot of sense….I hate having varying start times…we are gonna start at the same time each day. I don’t won’t their to be any lack of understanding from our kids or their parents.
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Post by carookie on Jul 7, 2022 22:26:41 GMT -6
What on God's green Earth is the rationale for starting ANY HS activity at 5:30 am?! We sometimes go early to avoid the heat because we live in the desert. But I can't say it's why we go early 2 days a week in the summer when we go in the afternoon on 2 other days. When I was in hs we too were in the desert, regularly hitting temps over 115 degrees. We would start 2-a-day practices at 6 AM. But that was only for the two weeks of that. Our weights was indoor with AC, and we could do most speed and agility work indoors as well. Wed do 7 on 7 once or twice a week starting at 5pm. But that was 25 plus years ago and people did less |
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Post by jstoss24 on Jul 10, 2022 14:53:18 GMT -6
We're about 10-10.5 hours per week in the summer over 4 days. It's a pretty good balance I think. Unfortunately two of those days start at 5:30am which sucks for me but the kids don't seem to mind it too much. I know the huge majority do like being done by about 8:15am on Thursday and not back until 2:30pm on Monday. What on God's green Earth is the rationale for starting ANY HS activity at 5:30 am?! Heat is the big reason for us. Most days, we would be unable to do anything on the field from 10-5, so we go early to beat the heat. We also have lots of players and several coaches who work in the summer, so we’ve found it’s easier to go in the morning than in the evening. |
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Post by joelee on Jul 10, 2022 17:06:26 GMT -6
My last job we went 2x a week for 2 hours in June. Then state dead period from about june 25-july10. July 11 5 days a week for 2.5 hours total including on field, film and weights. Stopped doing 2 a days about 2014 if I remember.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 10, 2022 17:32:22 GMT -6
My last job we went 2x a week for 2 hours in June. Then state dead period from about june 25-july10. July 11 5 days a week for 2.5 hours total including on field, film and weights. Stopped doing 2 a days about 2014 if I remember. Who would need 2 a days if practicing 5 days a week for 7-8 weeks before labor day? |
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jul 11, 2022 6:24:07 GMT -6
M-W-F 2.5 to 3 hours (1 hour lift, and 90 min to 2hr for O/D or specials) forces team to work quickly and efficiently in weightroom and makes you more efficient in practice stating 90 min to 2 hours. Families are happy that it’s not all day, kids stay fresh. If you need more time than that you either have a massive team or are inefficient.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 11, 2022 6:49:07 GMT -6
I have been thinking about this a lot lately. Since 2018, our high school program probably averages around 6-8 hours per week in the summer. Give or take, that breaks down to about 4 hours of weight training (4x a week, sessions are about an hour), 1 or 2 practices that are about 2 hours each, and a couple 7 on 7s. I think they also attend a 3-day camp at a D3 school in July. In 2018, we had a terrific, senior-heavy team. The team went 12-1 and made it to the state semifinals. However, the last three seasons, our record is 7-17. And 4 of those wins came in 2019 when we still had a handful of players from that good 2018 team. So, things have been trending down since that 2018 season. I would argue that our team would have essentially the same record these past three years if they hadn't done ANYTHING during the summer. I have to wonder that at some point, when do you take a look at what you are doing and realize that the juice just isn't worth the squeeze? I think about all that time and energy that has been spent over the past three years. All those 6am sessions in the weight room. All those nights spent standing around the practice field in humid, 90 degree height in June and July. At this point in my life, I just can't comprehend that much energy and effort for so little return. And all for a $2500 stipend. I haven't coached high school football since 2009. But I think that if I was ever to get back into it, we would do a maximum of 2 days a week and it would just be SAQ. We wouldn't touch a football until August. I look at this from the athlete's point of view. Why put in that amount of time to knock out 2-3 wins per year? The kids understand the point of diminishing returns as well. If it's me, we're lifting three days per week: a little over an hour a session. Then a few days of practice (1.5 hours in pads) before heading off to a team camp at some point. Finish out the summer with the school camp. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 11, 2022 6:57:41 GMT -6
What on God's green Earth is the rationale for starting ANY HS activity at 5:30 am?! Heat is the big reason for us. Most days, we would be unable to do anything on the field from 10-5, so we go early to beat the heat. We also have lots of players and several coaches who work in the summer, so we’ve found it’s easier to go in the morning than in the evening. By “anything on the field” are you referring to football stuff (with gear) or would your policy prevent 20-30 minutes of conditioning/speed work etc? |
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Post by jstoss24 on Jul 11, 2022 9:28:11 GMT -6
Heat is the big reason for us. Most days, we would be unable to do anything on the field from 10-5, so we go early to beat the heat. We also have lots of players and several coaches who work in the summer, so we’ve found it’s easier to go in the morning than in the evening. By “anything on the field” are you referring to football stuff (with gear) or would your policy prevent 20-30 minutes of conditioning/speed work etc? We are not allowed to be on the field if the heat index is over a certain level. We could go inside and condition, but we are not allowed to be outside at all. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 11, 2022 9:57:08 GMT -6
By “anything on the field” are you referring to football stuff (with gear) or would your policy prevent 20-30 minutes of conditioning/speed work etc? We are not allowed to be on the field if the heat index is over a certain level. We could go inside and condition, but we are not allowed to be outside at all. South Louisiana here... similar restrictions if Heat Index is 110+. I do think that realistically we will be in the 100-109 degree range, which allows for some outside work with provisions. |
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Post by jstoss24 on Jul 11, 2022 14:59:30 GMT -6
We are not allowed to be on the field if the heat index is over a certain level. We could go inside and condition, but we are not allowed to be outside at all. South Louisiana here... similar restrictions if Heat Index is 110+. I do think that realistically we will be in the 100-109 degree range, which allows for some outside work with provisions. Realistically we would probably be fine most days too, but our HC is very much of the mindset that he would rather plan around the possibility than lose out on time because it was excessively hot one day. |
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Post by joelee on Jul 11, 2022 16:03:27 GMT -6
My last job we went 2x a week for 2 hours in June. Then state dead period from about june 25-july10. July 11 5 days a week for 2.5 hours total including on field, film and weights. Stopped doing 2 a days about 2014 if I remember. Who would need 2 a days if practicing 5 days a week for 7-8 weeks before labor day? Our first scrimmage was first week of august. First real game 3rd week of august. Starting on July 11 doesn't seem like 7-8 weeks? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 11, 2022 16:15:39 GMT -6
Who would need 2 a days if practicing 5 days a week for 7-8 weeks before labor day? Our first scrimmage was first week of august. First real game 3rd week of august. Starting on July 11 doesn't seem like 7-8 weeks? Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 11, 2022 16:26:02 GMT -6
Our first scrimmage was first week of august. First real game 3rd week of august. Starting on July 11 doesn't seem like 7-8 weeks? Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? Aug 18 or 19 is first game most all schools in Alabama. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 11, 2022 16:29:21 GMT -6
Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? Aug 18 or 19 is first game most all schools in Alabama. Interesting. 15 week season (game 1- championship game)? |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 11, 2022 16:32:36 GMT -6
Aug 18 or 19 is first game most all schools in Alabama. Interesting. 15 week season (game 1- championship game)? It is week 0. You then have weeks 1-10. Then playoffs. 5 games. Just 4 for 7A (less teams). You have 10 games to play in 11 weeks. Most everyone plays week 0 and takes another week off. |
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Post by carookie on Jul 11, 2022 17:34:41 GMT -6
Our first scrimmage was first week of august. First real game 3rd week of august. Starting on July 11 doesn't seem like 7-8 weeks? Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? This is a salient point too- schools/seasons start a LOT earlier now than they used to. Summer's are a lot shorter now, with the breaks being dispersed throughout the school year. Most everyone in my neck of the woods has their first real game on 8-19 this year. |
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Post by CS on Jul 11, 2022 17:39:43 GMT -6
Interesting. 15 week season (game 1- championship game)? It is week 0. You then have weeks 1-10. Then playoffs. 5 games. Just 4 for 7A (less teams). You have 10 games to play in 11 weeks. Most everyone plays week 0 and takes another week off. This is exactly Arkansas |
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Post by CS on Jul 11, 2022 17:41:32 GMT -6
South Louisiana here... similar restrictions if Heat Index is 110+. I do think that realistically we will be in the 100-109 degree range, which allows for some outside work with provisions. Realistically we would probably be fine most days too, but our HC is very much of the mindset that he would rather plan around the possibility than lose out on time because it was excessively hot one day. I know it’s not your decision but with the amount of hours you’re asking, if the players having to miss a day every now and then its not hurting anything. It’s probably helping actually |
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Post by joelee on Jul 12, 2022 7:26:09 GMT -6
Our first scrimmage was first week of august. First real game 3rd week of august. Starting on July 11 doesn't seem like 7-8 weeks? Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? School starts first week of august here. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 12, 2022 7:40:49 GMT -6
Fair enough... I could be wrong, but I think most of the posters here's first REAL game (not scrimmage, not jamboree) is likely the Friday before Labor Day. When does school open for your school? School starts first week of august here. Wow, Students report the week of August 1st this year? That is indeed early. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 12, 2022 8:37:14 GMT -6
School starts first week of august here. Wow, Students report the week of August 1st this year? That is indeed early. Agreed. NW Illinois here. First day with students is 8/17 this year. |
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Post by blb on Jul 12, 2022 9:34:31 GMT -6
Wow, Students report the week of August 1st this year? That is indeed early. Agreed. NW Illinois here. First day with students is 8/17 this year. Again just shows that HS situations differ. School in Michigan usually starts the week before Labor Day, and Friday is off for ex. |
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2022 14:57:03 GMT -6
Agreed. NW Illinois here. First day with students is 8/17 this year. Again just shows that HS situations differ. School in Michigan usually starts the week before Labor Day, and Friday is off for ex. I feel as if most places were like that a decade or so ago. But then studies came out about how long summers disproportionately impacted low income students in a negative way, and thus changes were implemented. Now, most everywhere I see starts school up early to mid August. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 12, 2022 16:02:05 GMT -6
Agreed. NW Illinois here. First day with students is 8/17 this year. Again just shows that HS situations differ. School in Michigan usually starts the week before Labor Day, and Friday is off for ex. Aug 29 in this part of NC and in my old school district in VA. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 12, 2022 16:46:13 GMT -6
Again just shows that HS situations differ. School in Michigan usually starts the week before Labor Day, and Friday is off for ex. I feel as if most places were like that a decade or so ago. But then studies came out about how long summers disproportionately impacted low income students in a negative way, and thus changes were implemented. Now, most everywhere I see starts school up early to mid August. Doesn't matter when you start, you still end XXX number of days away at the end of the year. My state, 25ish years ago, starting having districts start early/1st of August. That was back when high stakes testing was done on paper and the state testing was done on a specific date.... so many figured to jump the gun and beat the deadline. My district back then had teachers doing inservice last week in July and kids coming in the 1st week of August. I LOVED it. I got skip all the BS inservice crap and go to our state athletic association's clinic as a trade out. Plus the 1st week of practice all the kids were in school, so we didn't have to worry about rides/work/etc.... The biggest plus was that we graduated kids early May and by May 15ish, we were DONE with school. That's when I started making our family vacation right as school was let out..... I'd save almost half the cost of renting a beach house by going down before Memorial Day. This actually fixed the problem with ending the semester/having mid-terms after Christmas break. But of course the politicians on the coast line didn't like having their kids leaving summer work so early/have the other district game the system get better scores.... so they passed a law making the start for ANY district happen before the 3rd Monday of August..... Now that all high stakes testing happens in a much wider window b/c it is done on line, hasn't changed the state mandate........ |
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2022 17:16:27 GMT -6
I feel as if most places were like that a decade or so ago. But then studies came out about how long summers disproportionately impacted low income students in a negative way, and thus changes were implemented. Now, most everywhere I see starts school up early to mid August. My state, 25ish years ago, starting having districts start early/1st of August. That was back when high stakes testing was done on paper and the state testing was done on a specific date.... so many figured to jump the gun and beat the deadline. My district back then had teachers doing inservice last week in July and kids coming in the 1st week of August. I LOVED it. I got skip all the BS inservice crap and go to our state athletic association's clinic as a trade out. Plus the 1st week of practice all the kids were in school, so we didn't have to worry about rides/work/etc.... The biggest plus was that we graduated kids early May and by May 15ish, we were DONE with school. That's when I started making our family vacation right as school was let out..... I'd save almost half the cost of renting a beach house by going down before Memorial Day. This actually fixed the problem with ending the semester/having mid-terms after Christmas break. But of course the politicians on the coast line didn't like having their kids leaving summer work so early/have the other district game the system get better scores.... so they passed a law making the start for ANY district happen before the 3rd Monday of August..... Now that all high stakes testing happens in a much wider window b/c it is done on line, hasn't changed the state mandate........ The thought is that a longer stretch (100+ day summer break) without classes negatively impacted lower income students at a disproportionate rate; I believe when studying retention of knowledge and developed learning skills. So many school districts took about a month from summer break and spread it throughout the other breaks during the year. As you noted, its still the same 180 school days; but to them it does matter to have a shorter summer break as it helps out specific groups of learners. |
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Post by blb on Jul 13, 2022 9:26:56 GMT -6
Again just shows that HS situations differ. School in Michigan usually starts the week before Labor Day, and Friday is off for ex. I feel as if most places were like that a decade or so ago. But then studies came out about how long summers disproportionately impacted low income students in a negative way, and thus changes were implemented. Now, most everywhere I see starts school up early to mid August. Schools in MI typically don't get out until first or second week in June. Tourism and agricultural industries are still big here so starting later is important. In fact for awhile it was a state law schools couldn't start until after Labor Day unless they got a waiver. |
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