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Post by lucky on Jun 5, 2022 5:51:36 GMT -6
Hey everyone, I'm a young coach from europe and always looking for good ressources and new ways of enhancing my knowledge of the game. After reading several books about O & D theres one thought on my mind constantly: "Why does it feel like this is only scratching the surface of something greater?" So I started to watch all 22 tapes and to take notes but i dont know enough yet I guess (at least feels like it).
So if you got anything great up your sleeve let me know please - Im gratefull for every recommendation and maybe a short explanation of how and why it will help.
Thanks in advance for everything, Coach Lucky :-)
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Post by tog on Jun 5, 2022 7:18:05 GMT -6
read this entire site
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 5, 2022 8:36:04 GMT -6
In my opinion, one of the best resources you can find for the defensive side of the ball is Fritz Schumur's "Coaching Team Defense" www.amazon.com/Coaching-Team-Defense-3rd-Ed/dp/1606793594I don't have the 3rd edition, nor the DVD, so I can't comment on any of those changes. But the version of the book I have is a great example of learning the principles of defensive play, not just about "a defense"
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 5, 2022 12:40:48 GMT -6
Not that you have to play the game to understand it but there is a lot more out there than whatever "tapes" you watched. There is way more than x and o's. You talking about scratching the surface it's because everything out there has been done at one time or another much earlier. I suggest you look into the history. Look at Pop Warner. Look at single wing. The more you know the past the better idea you have of this game. Don't just look at offense/defense/special teams, look at mental toughness, team management, situations, drills, technique. It's endless. I've been coaching Gor 32 years plus the years I played and there's always something new to learn.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 5, 2022 16:18:35 GMT -6
Here is my two cents...I suggest focusing your "study" to one side of the ball (offense or defense) for now. Trying to learn "as much as you can about everything" is the same as trying to put a tarp over the ocean. One of the best things you can do is talk with coaches, and they don't have to be college or professional coaches. Most coaches (or least the ones I've come across) are willing to share what they know, especially with a newbie. One big reason for talking with a coach one on one is that you can get answers to those questions which pop up as the result of an original question (similar to having to clean your garage in order to find the hammer you need to pound in one nail). My only advice is to go into this meeting with some sort of agenda or list of questions. You can ask the same questions to different coaches and get multiple point-of-view. If you don't have an agenda or list of questions, you might very well spend a long time with this coach and come away with next to nothing as a result of being overwhelmed with information.
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Post by carookie on Jun 5, 2022 18:21:04 GMT -6
If you want to learn to coach the game, this is the spot. If you want more of a rudimentary understanding watch a bunch of football games on TV/Youtube. Yeah, the announcers may not give you 100% accurate info all the time, but you are just learning the game and you can weed out the falsehoods later.
Also, pickup an old version of Madden Football the video game. I know, sounds sacrilegious, but if you play the heck out of it you will understand the game a lot more in regards to play, game management, and various plays.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 5, 2022 18:47:12 GMT -6
I expect a full report by 0900 hours tomorrow morning.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jun 5, 2022 19:18:01 GMT -6
I would like to put forth a few principles/ideas for you as you proceed with your coaching journey; I hope these will be helpful!
1: Before anything else, remember that you want to make sure your players can excellently execute the skills, routes, etc that you ask them to use. It's the old Bruce Lee principle: I don't fear the man who has practiced 10,000 different kicks 1 time each, I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick only, 10,000 times...It does you and your players no good to have super snazzy facemelter (ask if you dont know what that means...) systems on offense and defense if they cant do any of it well. 5 plays ran excellently is better than 50 plays ran poorly.
2: Offensive line should be your number one priority on offense, before QBs, RBs, TEs, and WRs. It does you no good to have amazing QBs, RBs, TEs, and WRs if your line is a pile of hot garbage. Make sure those dudes get COACHED UP and are absolute machines with whatever you ask them to do. You want your best assistant coaching OL, or if you have to, YOU should coach OL. A good offensive line will not only protect your QB and give them time to throw, they can also clear a path for runners who are as slow as LA traffic to get at least a few yards.
3: Design your offensive and defensive systems around the players you have, and dont try to force them to run a system that doesnt fit them. And also at the same time, design a basic framework for your offense and defense that is the same year to year that you can fit each year's specific system (that fits that year's players) into. The most important part of that is language/terminology.
4: This one is up to you as far as how far you want to take it, but if you want to be a head coach one day, try to, over time, learn every single position inside and out, on both sides of the ball, and learn as many offensive and defensive schemes inside and out as much as possible. This way, you can make sure that each part of your offense and defense is as good as can be. You dont want weak spots on your team because the LB coach doesnt know what he is doing. If you know everything inside and out, you can help provide the LB coach with the knowledge he needs.
5: Remember, NUTIF: (T)here (I)s (N)o (U)niversal (T)erminology (I)n (F)ootball. Some fields, like the medical field, the military and police, firefighters, etc, have common/uniform, agreed upon terms for different things. In the medical field, the dorsal side of an organism is the same, no matter what hospital and operating room you work in. Unfortunately, this is not so in football. For one coach, a fin means one type of route, where for another coach, a fin means another kind of route. Now, there are some terms that are very commonly used, or almost universally used, but it's still inconsistent across the country (and world). Try to keep this in mind as you learn, and be prepared to explain what your terms mean to other coaches.
6: Be patient but also be firm when you need to be, and tailor your coaching to each individual personality on the team. Some need more encouragement, others need someone all but screaming in their face, etc. Treat everyone fairly, but don't try to interact with them all the same.
And finally, 7: Approach each season with the players by telling them how good they want to be as individuals and as a team is up to them. No one is forcing nor expecting them to be superstars, this puts the accountability for their season on them, and gives them ownership. If they want to play like superstars, that's up to them. If they want to play like hot garbage, that's up to them. Hopefully most will respond well to this approach.
Best of luck!
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 6, 2022 4:50:17 GMT -6
I'd suggest figuring out WHAT you want to gain a deeper understanding of and doing a deep dive on that.
Problem with generalized questions like this is that there is so much information out there, that it's hard to point you to a general place to go.
If I'm learning more about inside and outside zone, I can't necessarily go to the same place as I might if I wanted to learn about Saban's cover 7 or whatever.
Once you have figured out on a more specific level what you're looking to learn, we'll have an easier time pointing you to some great resources.
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Post by lucky on Jun 6, 2022 12:14:02 GMT -6
I'd suggest figuring out WHAT you want to gain a deeper understanding of and doing a deep dive on that. Problem with generalized questions like this is that there is so much information out there, that it's hard to point you to a general place to go. If I'm learning more about inside and outside zone, I can't necessarily go to the same place as I might if I wanted to learn about Saban's cover 7 or whatever. Once you have figured out on a more specific level what you're looking to learn, we'll have an easier time pointing you to some great resources. This is definitely a good point and I'll try to answer as best as I can .. the run game is whats been intruiging to me + anything about formations. I played DB for approx. 13 years so the passing game is like an open book to me and everything new I read or see connected to that makes sense .. but I dont know a lot about the run game, or how to eg k.o. certain plays just by alignment (if possible). I read Milt Tenopir's "The Assembley Line" which was great to begin with, and the last one I went through was Cody Alexander's "Anchor Points." The latter one made me realise that I dont know half as much as I thought. So what I understand as off rn (probably): - gap controll - basic run fits from standard formations (think 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5) vs gap and zone schemes + basic options, ISO etc - defensive line play in order to waste blockers (to free up box personnell) - basic understanding of defensive line play - differences of contains
What I really wanna understand is / the questions I have are (for now): - whats the anatomy of a big play in the running game? - which effect does alignment on both sides have on the outcome of a run-play? - how can alignment potentially lure an OC into using a certain run because of what the defense is showing? - run games (just recently learned about their existence thanks to Coach Alexander's book) - everything else that makes me an absolute expert in this field.
What I mostly saw on tape where big plays on offense being the result of blown assignments or missed tackles / run fits. Maybe thats the generell answer and I'm thinking too complicated here.
Anyway, for now anything on the run game would be great. But overall I'm in love with the game and I want to be the best and most knowledgable coach for my players.
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Post by lucky on Jun 7, 2022 5:11:05 GMT -6
Basically what Im planning to do, tho Im a fan of having a number of ressources at my disposal.
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Post by lucky on Jun 7, 2022 5:16:01 GMT -6
In my opinion, one of the best resources you can find for the defensive side of the ball is Fritz Schumur's "Coaching Team Defense" www.amazon.com/Coaching-Team-Defense-3rd-Ed/dp/1606793594I don't have the 3rd edition, nor the DVD, so I can't comment on any of those changes. But the version of the book I have is a great example of learning the principles of defensive play, not just about "a defense" Im definitely agreeing with you on this one sir. I read it a year ago and for someone just looking for general information on defense this is kind of a timeless classic i reckon. But thats also its weakness to me as its - again - feeling like only scratching the surface (i might be wrong and missing something here of course - if i do please let me know ;-) And thanks for recommending, I appreciate it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 7, 2022 6:24:19 GMT -6
Basically what Im planning to do, tho Im a fan of having a number of ressources at my disposal. I'm still waiting for the report. If it helps, you can skip the thread on gorillas bench pressing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 7, 2022 11:58:30 GMT -6
In my opinion, one of the best resources you can find for the defensive side of the ball is Fritz Schumur's "Coaching Team Defense" www.amazon.com/Coaching-Team-Defense-3rd-Ed/dp/1606793594I don't have the 3rd edition, nor the DVD, so I can't comment on any of those changes. But the version of the book I have is a great example of learning the principles of defensive play, not just about "a defense" Im definitely agreeing with you on this one sir. I read it a year ago and for someone just looking for general information on defense this is kind of a timeless classic i reckon. But thats also its weakness to me as its - again - feeling like only scratching the surface (i might be wrong and missing something here of course - if i do please let me know ;-) And thanks for recommending, I appreciate it. I would phrase it more as it’s building a foundation rather than it’s scratching a surface. It isn’t going to as detail oriented as it is talking about principles- not a specific defensive system It has been my experience that understanding of these general principles allow someone to advance their learning much better than someone who cuts their teeth learning a very specific defense. Those who only know one defense and not principles have trouble finding solutions and adapting.
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Post by chi5hi on Jun 7, 2022 13:36:52 GMT -6
Hey everyone, I'm a young coach from europe and always looking for good ressources and new ways of enhancing my knowledge of the game. After reading several books about O & D theres one thought on my mind constantly: "Why does it feel like this is only scratching the surface of something greater?" So I started to watch all 22 tapes and to take notes but i dont know enough yet I guess (at least feels like it).
So if you got anything great up your sleeve let me know please - Im gratefull for every recommendation and maybe a short explanation of how and why it will help.
Thanks in advance for everything, Coach Lucky :-)
A suggestion, if I may... Get on the field! There is only so much study/reading you can do before you MUST get out there and do it! You need the experiences of working with other coaches and the players. You have to get out there and make the mistakes, the screw ups...and experience the successes, too. You can't just read a book, try to learn everything, then expect to perform. Coaching football is a profession, not something to be taken lightly if you want to succeed...get out on the field and really learn.
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