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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 18, 2005 20:36:02 GMT -6
We have a mobile QB quick recievers and backs and a decent sized line. What would you guys suggest as far as an offense? Our team owner would like to have it at about 60-40 pass to run percent! Any thoughts?
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Post by aznando on Dec 18, 2005 22:11:08 GMT -6
I think a good offense is an offense that works for your personnel. I think it's hard to put an arbitrary number on whats "good" O. Some days Good Offense is 50-50 some days its 60-40 somes times you can run the ball all day, and you throw the ball only a few times. Why is your team owner so concerned with your O? Is he the head coach? That brings me to a question for the HC's out there at the HS level, and I apologize if this is hijacking your thread, but do you guys get AD's telling you what you should be running, or how much you should pass/run? How do you handle the situation?
Aznando
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 18, 2005 22:32:35 GMT -6
Actually No I am the head coach but trying to find some help. I have had relatively no experience in coaching with the exception of 1 season as a DE coach for a 7th grade team. So what I am really looking for is someone/ something to help me with a system that is easy to learn and implement. I would like to do a little of the I form/ Pr Form and shotgun. I am leaning a lot toward the 4-2-5 defense as well. Anyone have any input. Also does anyone have a really good passing tree out there?
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Post by ac on Dec 18, 2005 22:47:10 GMT -6
It is hard to say what is best for you. I remember one year I had a great QB. He was considered the best in the city and one of the best in the state. This kid had a great arm and great field presence. I thought I was going to throw more then I had in the past. I started out with the hope of 60-40 pass-run or even more. Our first two games were not very productive. Teams were coming in ready to play us and stop the pass. I then went to an I formation rather than the run-n-shoot look I started with. After that point we won our next six games by outscoring our opponent some ridiculous amount.
I think you need to go in with a well balanced concept and then see what they are going to give you. We showed run for the remainder of the season, and my QB threw all over our opponents.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 18, 2005 23:21:52 GMT -6
Well I guess I should ask, what do you guys think might be a good starting point for a new head coach with NO offensive experince
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Post by saintrad on Dec 18, 2005 23:24:07 GMT -6
double wing
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Post by aznando on Dec 19, 2005 0:33:52 GMT -6
Wow, When does your season start? Where do you live? What did your personnel do last year or is this a brand new team? I found it hard to judge talent without seeing them in a game. My first year at a paticular 5A school, we felt we had pretty good talent. We had 2 real good possesion recievers, a possible D-1 TE and a smart QB with an average arm. We didn't have much for a running back however. We had a great Flag Football team, we killed everybody in passing leages, but when we got into the season, turns out we couldn't block anybody, we couldn't run the ball and we kind of had to change the way we did buisness. We were a run and shoot team, but we had to abandon our 70 Series, which was our longer passes, and pretty much stay with our 3 step drop series and our Sprint-out series. You have to decide, what you feel comfortable teaching. I think there are alot of people on here who feel this way and i agree, any type of personnel can run any system, you just have to feel confident in your stystem and feel comfortable teaching it. If it were me, I'd probably run a multilple offense run quick passes, put in some Shotgun, run a little option with your QB, but again you have to feel comfortable with your system, and comfortable enough to teach it. I'm not sure if you have it, but there is a WCO playbook that was run by a Semi Pro team somewhere. I have it if you want to PM me. I also can go more in-depth if you want some information on a pretty basic Run&Shoot offense.
Aznando
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 19, 2005 6:58:08 GMT -6
our season doesnt start until march 4th and we have a group of talented players in the skill positions as most are former college players and some high school all stars. As far as the line is concerned Im not sure as of yet as they have not all made it out to practice. we have had a few good turnouts but otherwise kinda low on the lineman side, but the ones we do have are pretty decent so far.
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Post by Mav on Dec 19, 2005 10:26:23 GMT -6
Quick thought... My suggestion is to try and find a good OC with an offensive scheme you're comfortable with. As the HC, you're going to have a million other things to deal with.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 19, 2005 12:00:16 GMT -6
One-back offense.
Zone run game, Midline, Veer, Counter and Jet Sweep.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 19, 2005 12:56:53 GMT -6
coachdawhip, where can I find some good information on this stuff that you are talking about?
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Post by vtjapes on Dec 19, 2005 14:10:18 GMT -6
Well I guess I should ask, what do you guys think might be a good starting point for a new head coach with NO offensive experince Hire an Offensive Coordinator. If not you will be in way over your head. |
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Post by brophy on Dec 19, 2005 14:38:46 GMT -6
some good info here...
vtjapes had a real good suggestion. If you're the HC, you need some support. You can't be coaching the coaches and the players.
one back zone, midline veer, jet sweep......most all of that you could base out of the BONE.
How much is the Owner investing in you? The big thing is to be in control....of everything. Be sure to have an answer for your players. The last thing they need is the guy giving them direction to be lost.
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Post by ike2112 on Dec 19, 2005 15:01:12 GMT -6
Where I coach there are hardly any coaches - I am the OC and we have a DC and currently no head coach (we share the title). And a linebackers coach, only recently passed basic coaching qualifications.
Just the three of us, and it is a nightmare. Believe me, you need all the help you can get. Even if it's just someone there on gameday to keep the players paying attention and speak to them about what's going on on the field - coverages, alignments, shades. It's all too much for one person to do.
Re. offense to run: If you believe you have players with superior athletic ability and you just need to make sure you have plays to call, then just keep it very simple. A simple run game, a short passing series, some wr screens. Just get the ball to your skill players.
Preferrably though find someone who can be the OC.
Where do you coach? Is it an amateur/semi-pro team?
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 19, 2005 18:17:02 GMT -6
I am a coach of a AAA semi pro in Ada,Oklahoma, which is to say that we are just below arena football but dont get paid. I am doing this 1) for the experience and 2) for the love of the game. have a couple of people who might be an OC for me and I might have to be the DC but that is okay with me. Again if anyone has more advice just feel free to share it here or email me at outlawzheadcoach@cableone.net
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Post by ac on Dec 19, 2005 18:23:50 GMT -6
If your line is a question mark for you, I would run a spread offense. I think if you can keep teams from putting eight in the box that is good. I agree that you should keep it simple, maybe put some misdirection that come off of your "bread and butter" plays. Let me know if you want some more information on this.
Maybe the other coaches can add their input about installing a west coast style offense. Are there any that would think it would work in this situation?
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Post by sls on Dec 21, 2005 16:05:25 GMT -6
Gun Air Raid- Quick Hitches, Bubble, Shallow Crossing Routes, and screens. Make them press your receivers and then run QB draw/QB Iso.
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Post by rbush on Dec 21, 2005 17:20:20 GMT -6
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Post by ac on Dec 21, 2005 22:28:26 GMT -6
Thanks for the site RBush39. I looked at it real quick and it looks great I am definitly going to take more time to read that.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 22, 2005 0:59:09 GMT -6
Rbush,
Thanks from here as well, everyone on the site has been really great to me as a newbie coach and all your help is greatly appreciated from here in Okie land!!
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Post by lochness on Dec 23, 2005 8:47:22 GMT -6
Elements of a good offense:
1. Has a flexible and logical system of terminology
2. Emphasizes the strengths of your personnel and hides your weaknesses.
3. Is something the coaching staff believes in 100% and is capable of coaching well. I’ve seen Wing-T (a good example because it’s kind of a “canned offense) teams that are precise and disciplined and nearly impossible to stop because they are well coached. I’ve seen other teams run the same Wing-T and look like a sloppy mess because they were NOT well coached.
4. Has a few base runs and base passes that work against all defenses and in all different types of weather.
In your case coach, you can probably run just about anything you want with that kind of personnel. If you have a good QB, just focus on a package that emphasizes his skills. For example, if you are a Pro-I team, run some option and bootleg passing to showcase his talents a bit.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 23, 2005 18:12:49 GMT -6
Thanks Lochness, all the information I have recieved has been great and you guys have been helpful, I feel like an alcoholic in AA with lots of support!.........LOL
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 25, 2005 1:52:08 GMT -6
On good offenses?
All the motions you see at the pro-level, does that take away from a good offense?
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Post by sls on Dec 25, 2005 6:21:49 GMT -6
If you can teach that up, it does not hurt. As a former DC, that makes scouting and breakdown hard.
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Post by dgs on Dec 26, 2005 9:54:07 GMT -6
I haven't coached offense for years but as a DC I can tell you three things I hate to see the opposition do. Run multiple formations, run a lot of motion, and run no huddle. These things limit the amount of things that a defense can do to attack the offense(at least with my simple mind).
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 26, 2005 19:30:15 GMT -6
good offense:
1. execution
2. complimentary schemes (base plays with "spin-off" plays)
3. carry-over (from package to package and formation to formation)
4. clear, concise terminology (lends to multiplicity with ease)
5. execution
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