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Post by coachks on Apr 27, 2022 9:17:24 GMT -6
For those one platoon teams (Kids starting Offense and Defense), how do you prefer to breakup practice.
50/50 Each Practice (45 O, 45 D, Team, Specials ect...) Theme Days (Walkthrough Monday, Defense Tuesday, Offense Wednesday, Pregame Thursday - for example).
Follow-up Question, how do you handle kids who do not play the opposite side (A big NT who can't play OL, the QB if he doesn't play defense ect...)
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Post by jstoss24 on Apr 27, 2022 9:39:46 GMT -6
This last year we did O days and D days. We only had 6 coaches and about 50 consistent players for the whole program (Varsity and JV) and we only coached one side of the ball, so there were multiple reasons why we split it up.
Monday was our heavy Indy/Install day. Started with a little bit longer meeting before practice than normal, followed by about 45 minutes of Indy for O and 45 minutes for D. We finished with walking through the looks we expected to see that week and any wrinkles we felt the need to go over.
Tuesday was Varsity O/JV D. Only about 20 minutes of Indy, then Punt and KOR, then 20 minutes of offense emphasis 7 on 7, and 40 minutes of Team (4 plays Varsity O vs. Scout D, 2 Plays JV D vs. Scout O). We had a few guys who only played one way, so the offense-only JV guys would do everything with the Varsity offense, and the defense-only Varsity guys would do everything with the JV defense.
Wednesday, everything flipped. Varsity D/JV O. 20 minutes of Indy, then PR and KO, 20 minutes of defense emphasis 7 on 7, and 40 minutes of Team (4-2 Varsity D, JV O).
Thursday was JV Gameday and Varsity Walkthrough day.
It wasn't perfect, but it worked for us and our needs. It probably wouldn't work as well if Varsity and JV didn't practice together.
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Post by realdawg on Apr 27, 2022 9:54:53 GMT -6
We do 60 min O and 60 min D. On a clock. 5 min periods. 12 periods each side. A normal Tuesday would look something like this for us....
Dynamic Warmup (not on the clock) 1 special team (not on the clock) Offense-60 minn (12 periods) 5 min team goalline 15 O Indy 5 min team screen 5 min team pass (blitz pickup) 10 min inside run 10 min 7 on 7 10 min team 5 min water break 1 special team (not on the clock) Then something similar for D.
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Post by fantom on Apr 27, 2022 10:32:16 GMT -6
We had an offensive day and a defensive day. Each day also included two STs each day, plus a 20 minute period for the other side of the ball. As a DCI liked doing it this way because it meant that all of my "defensive time" was actually spent on defense. In my experience, if the HC runs the offense, as he often does in HS, those 50-50 days often end up being 75-25.
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Post by tripsclosed on Apr 27, 2022 10:33:25 GMT -6
I think you can do some days heavier on offense and some days heavier on defense, but there are certain skills and calls on both sides of the ball that might need to be repped every day
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 15:05:58 GMT -6
I’ve done both. My preference now is to do an “emphasis day” on Tues and Wed but work a little bit of the other side of the ball, too. Like in a 2 hour practice, on offensive emphasis day you might do 80 minutes of offense, 10-20 minutes to work on a special team, and then 20-30 minutes of defense (tackling circuit, 10 of a team D drill, etc.) A lot of this depends on what your staff looks like. Do your coaches go both ways or are you a split staff? Generally small roster=small staff, so you’ll need all hands on deck to coach each side of the ball, but if you split staffs one side can coach the JV or freshman kids on their side of the ball while the other coaches varsity. That works very well for developing the young kids, but i’d rather have those guys coaching scout teams during group and team periods and coaching those kids up on technique there. The issue you run into with trying to do a 50/50 split both days is that you may lose time in transition and whoever goes second will get less focus from the players. Frankly, though, if you schedule practice properly to address those issues in advance that all works out the same. Another thing to think about is how much hitting you’ll be doing. IMO, each side of the ball needs a live contact day each week. That means an O emphasis day or D emphasis day may have to skip hitting if you want to do them back to back. To finally answer the question, I like something like this: Monday—film study, special teams emphasis day (meaning work KO/KOR, and coverage/return indies). then the rest is a a 50/50 non-contact day in shells. Do Indy and some group and team stuff just to put in the gameplan. Tuesday—Offensive emphasis day. Again, work a ST (like Punt or FG) and then a little D to rep fundamentals and address areas of concern for the week. Moderate contact. Wednesday—Defensive emphasis day, same as Tuesday but reversed. Thursday—Walkthrough. Some coaches like to make this a regular practice day or focus on STs here instead of Monday and that’s fine, too. Friday—Pregame meetings and walkthrough. Also, every kid needs to learn a position on each side of the ball. Even if you “know” he’ll never play there, on a 1 platoon team you may wind up needing him in a pinch. This also just lets those guys go with their position group for Indy on the other side of the ball. They can work on scout team some to give the other side a better look. If you have a QB. P, or K you know you will never, ever play anywhere else under any circumstances (again, don’t be so sure…), if a coach is free to work with them they can just get extra Indy time. Also, I’ll echo what fantom said about 50/50 days turning into 75/25 days. That always happens some, no matter how disciplined the HC is.
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Post by etat8 on Apr 27, 2022 18:16:24 GMT -6
Emphasis days with a 20-30 minute period for the other side. Almost always just a team session but occasionally will be slower paced if OC/DC wants it. Will always work about 15-20 minutes of STs at the start of practice.
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Post by coachorm on May 3, 2022 11:21:14 GMT -6
We do theme days: Monday film and install. JV game is scheduled. Tuesday Defense Wednesday Offense Thursday Pre-Game
For us if you only play one side of the ball that means you are a scout team player the other day. So a kid that only plays DT for us will be Scout DT on offense day. We have very few that fit this category, but when we do its great because it becomes a #1 kid vs a #1 kid in scout team.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 3, 2022 18:35:45 GMT -6
For those one platoon teams (Kids starting Offense and Defense), how do you prefer to breakup practice. 50/50 Each Practice (45 O, 45 D, Team, Specials ect...) Theme Days (Walkthrough Monday, Defense Tuesday, Offense Wednesday, Pregame Thursday - for example). Follow-up Question, how do you handle kids who do not play the opposite side (A big NT who can't play OL, the QB if he doesn't play defense ect...) We always had the DODO schedule Offense primary Monday -more time in the week for install/tweeks, -weed through what will/won't work - short defensive overview Defense Tuesday -more time to continue to look at film before install -short offense review Wednesday was DODO -Def indy -Off indy -Def team -Off team One way players were either working their position on their primary side or being a scout team players.... unless he had to practice another position as an emergency player.
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Post by canesfan on May 4, 2022 21:34:13 GMT -6
We do offense and defense every day in season. Vs a team that is fairly balanced we may go Run O/D heavy one day and pass heavy O/D the other. It’s worked for us.
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Post by doitforthekids on May 5, 2022 2:05:15 GMT -6
Monday: Lift, condition, JV game, film after Offense Indy (fixes), 7 on 7 Defense Indy (fixes), 7 on 7 (start installing gameplan) SPT skills
Tuesday: 1 HR Offense: Indy, inside run, 7 on 7, 2 minute 1 HR Defense: Indy, inside run, 7 on 7 or team 30 MIN SPT: KO cover, punt, FG
Wednesday: Lift after, film before Offense: 3 15 MIN team segments Defense: 3 15 MIN team segments SPT: KR, PR (after defense)
Thursday: Film before, team meal after 60 MIN script covering every situation (game like)
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 5, 2022 8:23:40 GMT -6
What is install? We install in pre-season.
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Post by doitforthekids on May 5, 2022 9:15:49 GMT -6
What is install? We install in pre-season. For us it is just teaching the gameplan. Formations, plays, personnel, etc. Go through how our defense/offense applies the rules to handle what they do. Also to teach anything new we might need.
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Post by coachorm on May 5, 2022 12:02:57 GMT -6
What is install? We install in pre-season. For us install is going over the game plan for that week. Reviewing the stuff from our playbook we plan to focus on that week. Possibly adding in a new offensive tag or defensive stunt/blitz if we feel that it would be an absolute game changer. Install is probably the wrong word to use but its just what we have called it forever. Maybe Mental Monday would be better for us but that might also give a bad impression of what we are doing.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 5, 2022 12:06:00 GMT -6
For those one platoon teams (Kids starting Offense and Defense), how do you prefer to breakup practice. 50/50 Each Practice (45 O, 45 D, Team, Specials ect...) Theme Days (Walkthrough Monday, Defense Tuesday, Offense Wednesday, Pregame Thursday - for example). Follow-up Question, how do you handle kids who do not play the opposite side (A big NT who can't play OL, the QB if he doesn't play defense ect...) We have our JV and Varsity teams practice together. Team is 1 platoon, but coaching staff is 2 platoon. One day Varsity players are on offense and JV players are on defense and then we flip. I will say that as the season progresses, we try to get as many players as we can on 1 side of the ball (most of the starting OL, the QB, MLB, FS in particular). In team periods, the varsity goes against the JV. Obviously we don't go to the ground very much during this time. Positive- it gets your JV guys better. Negative- it gives your varsity a false sense of confidence. We do have a daily 10 minute team period where we put the best possible 22 varsity players on the field against each other.
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Post by SAcoach on May 5, 2022 12:14:37 GMT -6
What are the time constraints?
Is it possible to divide practice into different parts of the day?
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Post by CanyonCoach on May 10, 2022 8:21:28 GMT -6
We have been using this model for the last 4 seasons: 110 athletes average each year. between 12-16 coaches at least 14 is what I would recommend...the year with 12 was rough on coaches. pre season Monday: Coaches only coach 1 side of the ball- with one OL/DL float coach 4:00- stretch and necks 4:15- Varsity O indy. 9th grade D indy 4:45- Varsity inside and skelly O emphasis. 9th grade inside and skelly D emphasis 5:00- Varsity O Team. 9th grade D team 5:15- water 5:20- Varsity D indy. 9th grade O indy 5:50- Varsity D inside and skelly. 9th grade inside and skelly O 6:05- Varsity D team. 9th grade O team 6:20- Off the field Tuesday- Same concept except we cut indy time and do specials drills and install Wednesday- we have to have the athletes out of the facility by 6:00pm similar concept to Monday but shortened 5 minutes each session. Thursday- same as Tuesday Friday- same as Monday Game weeks: Monday- JV games- Game plan install/lift/conditioning/if it is a home JV game our Varsity kids work the chains, run the clock and provide the sideline with water 3 coaches with JV team- rest of coaches with 9th grade Tuesday- same as preseason. Special teams gets 20 minutes Wednesday- truncated version- pre-practice specials drills- it ends up being everyone except 2 way starters that we are pulling out. Thursday- 9th grade game- 2 coaches with 9th graders. We have followed a script of scenarios, broken it down based on our biggest concern for the week, or taken 30 minutes for each phase. Not my favorite day as a coach and would like a better pre-game agenda Friday- game day- 9th grade lift/Film/condition- 2 coaches that were with the 9th grade attend to them.
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