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Post by kylem56 on Mar 25, 2022 21:59:30 GMT -6
Coaches, I have question for anyone willing to offer their advice in regards to winter...well now spring off-season weight room strength & conditioning scheduling
A little background to my question: Anyway at my current position, a Catholic school (also my alma mater), of 347 kids, we have a pretty successful athletic department overall. State powerhouse in volleyball and not bad in the other girls sports, Football is the face of our school but basketball, baseball, hockey and track are pretty darn good as well. We
The pros here= 90% of our football team are 3 sport athletes. The problem? Besides football, and wrestling which is in a major rebuilding mode, none of the male sports have interest in lifting program.
We currently offer a morning session at 6:30am-7:30am (1st period starts at 8:00am) and afternoon session at 2:40pm-3:40pm to try to accomodate peoples schedules on Monday-Wednesday-Thursday. Having a rigid schedule resulted in low turnout numbers cause basketball coach We are still battling the same issues as the school prior. We have kids struggling to make it because with spring sports in Michigan, and I am sure for any coach who coaches in a northern state, you are highly unlikely to start your spring season on time because it could be 63* one day then 38* and snowing the next, followed by 3 days of rain then 68* again lol. As result, our kids can't come to lifting because of their coaches policies.
So in all this, I have some questions for you
1) Has anyone ever just published a workout calendar for the month based on the dates of your winter / spring sports schedules while being respectful of those coaches seasons? I guess going away from havbing a set M-W-R schedule and it would vary based on the athletic week schedule?
2) For those who have 3 sport athletes, how many days did you expect them to attend the weight room?
3) Has anyone had a separate workout program for "in sport" athletes vs. athletes without a spring sport?
4) Any advice for dealing with those coaches who say "oh doing ____ will hurt their swing" etc. etc. aside from showing them the actual research, or getting admin involved?
5) Lastly, We use Teambuidlr app, has anyone trusted their kids who say their "working out at home" (due to their spring sport) and allowed them to use the recording feature on the app? How did it go for you?
I would love to hear anyones answers on those questions or your philosophy on your football kids lifting when they are multi sport athletes. I know apart of me thinks "you have to let them just be kids and enjoy their sports season" but our program has won 2 state titles in the last 8 years and that certainly wasn't accomplished by kids showing up in early June to start lifting for the year.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 25, 2022 22:32:50 GMT -6
Coaches, I have question for anyone willing to offer their advice in regards to winter...well now spring off-season weight room strength & conditioning scheduling A little background to my question: Anyway at my current position, a Catholic school (also my alma mater), of 347 kids, we have a pretty successful athletic department overall. State powerhouse in volleyball and not bad in the other girls sports, Football is the face of our school but basketball, baseball, hockey and track are pretty darn good as well. We The pros here= 90% of our football team are 3 sport athletes. The problem? Besides football, and wrestling which is in a major rebuilding mode, none of the male sports have interest in lifting program. We currently offer a morning session at 6:30am-7:30am (1st period starts at 8:00am) and afternoon session at 2:40pm-3:40pm to try to accomodate peoples schedules on Monday-Wednesday-Thursday. Having a rigid schedule resulted in low turnout numbers cause basketball coach We are still battling the same issues as the school prior. We have kids struggling to make it because with spring sports in Michigan, and I am sure for any coach who coaches in a northern state, you are highly unlikely to start your spring season on time because it could be 63* one day then 38* and snowing the next, followed by 3 days of rain then 68* again lol. As result, our kids can't come to lifting because of their coaches policies. So in all this, I have some questions for you
1) Has anyone ever just published a workout calendar for the month based on the dates of your winter / spring sports schedules while being respectful of those coaches seasons? I guess going away from havbing a set M-W-R schedule and it would vary based on the athletic week schedule?2) For those who have 3 sport athletes, how many days did you expect them to attend the weight room?3) Has anyone had a separate workout program for "in sport" athletes vs. athletes without a spring sport?4) Any advice for dealing with those coaches who say "oh doing ____ will hurt their swing" etc. etc. aside from showing them the actual research, or getting admin involved?5) Lastly, We use Teambuidlr app, has anyone trusted their kids who say their "working out at home" (due to their spring sport) and allowed them to use the recording feature on the app? How did it go for you?I would love to hear anyones answers on those questions or your philosophy on your football kids lifting when they are multi sport athletes. I know apart of me thinks "you have to let them just be kids and enjoy their sports season" but our program has won 2 state titles in the last 8 years and that certainly wasn't accomplished by kids showing up in early June to start lifting for the year. Thanks for taking the time to read this. You're putting together the argument for having a FB or athletics weight training class during the day. IDK if that's in the cards with your situation, but it's definitely a solution that solves most've your problems. Also regarding #5: you can use Teambuildr to have accountability. Have them submit videos via the journal feature and you can review them. Just have them do their working sets of Squat, Bench, etc and trust that they're doing the supplementary stuff, too. |
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 25, 2022 22:40:12 GMT -6
Coaches, I have question for anyone willing to offer their advice in regards to winter...well now spring off-season weight room strength & conditioning scheduling A little background to my question: Anyway at my current position, a Catholic school (also my alma mater), of 347 kids, we have a pretty successful athletic department overall. State powerhouse in volleyball and not bad in the other girls sports, Football is the face of our school but basketball, baseball, hockey and track are pretty darn good as well. We The pros here= 90% of our football team are 3 sport athletes. The problem? Besides football, and wrestling which is in a major rebuilding mode, none of the male sports have interest in lifting program. We currently offer a morning session at 6:30am-7:30am (1st period starts at 8:00am) and afternoon session at 2:40pm-3:40pm to try to accomodate peoples schedules on Monday-Wednesday-Thursday. Having a rigid schedule resulted in low turnout numbers cause basketball coach We are still battling the same issues as the school prior. We have kids struggling to make it because with spring sports in Michigan, and I am sure for any coach who coaches in a northern state, you are highly unlikely to start your spring season on time because it could be 63* one day then 38* and snowing the next, followed by 3 days of rain then 68* again lol. As result, our kids can't come to lifting because of their coaches policies. So in all this, I have some questions for you
1) Has anyone ever just published a workout calendar for the month based on the dates of your winter / spring sports schedules while being respectful of those coaches seasons? I guess going away from havbing a set M-W-R schedule and it would vary based on the athletic week schedule?2) For those who have 3 sport athletes, how many days did you expect them to attend the weight room?3) Has anyone had a separate workout program for "in sport" athletes vs. athletes without a spring sport?4) Any advice for dealing with those coaches who say "oh doing ____ will hurt their swing" etc. etc. aside from showing them the actual research, or getting admin involved?5) Lastly, We use Teambuidlr app, has anyone trusted their kids who say their "working out at home" (due to their spring sport) and allowed them to use the recording feature on the app? How did it go for you?I would love to hear anyones answers on those questions or your philosophy on your football kids lifting when they are multi sport athletes. I know apart of me thinks "you have to let them just be kids and enjoy their sports season" but our program has won 2 state titles in the last 8 years and that certainly wasn't accomplished by kids showing up in early June to start lifting for the year. Thanks for taking the time to read this. You're putting together the argument for having a FB or athletics weight training class during the day. IDK if that's in the cards with your situation, but it's definitely a solution that solves most've your problems. Also regarding #5: you can use Teambuildr to have accountability. Have them submit videos via the journal feature and you can review them. Just have them do their working sets of Squat, Bench, etc and trust that they're doing the supplementary stuff, too. Coach I see where your response is coming from but not necessarily. Since such a large majority of our students play sports, we offer a PE waiver if you play a varsity sport. Our school only offers PE 1 hour a day because of it. They have already said no to a zero hour or during school weight training class because of this. I do like your suggestion of using teambuilder journaling feature for them to submit their workouts. Of course we have to trust they re doing the full workouts but agree. Does your program use this feature as well? |
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Post by coachlit on Mar 26, 2022 4:04:28 GMT -6
That’d be great if you had a school wide strength and conditioning coach that every coach follows and builds into their in-season practice plan. I know for example I don’t worry about my wrestlers or sprinters that come out in June because they lift weights in-season.
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Post by CS on Mar 26, 2022 6:24:06 GMT -6
Where is the athletic director in all of this?
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 26, 2022 7:42:44 GMT -6
You're putting together the argument for having a FB or athletics weight training class during the day. IDK if that's in the cards with your situation, but it's definitely a solution that solves most've your problems. Also regarding #5: you can use Teambuildr to have accountability. Have them submit videos via the journal feature and you can review them. Just have them do their working sets of Squat, Bench, etc and trust that they're doing the supplementary stuff, too. Coach I see where your response is coming from but not necessarily. Since such a large majority of our students play sports, we offer a PE waiver if you play a varsity sport. Our school only offers PE 1 hour a day because of it. They have already said no to a zero hour or during school weight training class because of this. I do like your suggestion of using teambuilder journaling feature for them to submit their workouts. Of course we have to trust they re doing the full workouts but agree. Does your program use this feature as well? We don't need to because we've got FB PE, but I have used it as part of an assignment for my gen pop weight training classes where they had to submit videos of their Bench, Squat, Deadlift so I could give technique tips/feedback. There's parochial schools nearby that do the PE waiver, but they still have weight training classes for football regardless. It's just a reality of fielding a competitive program. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 27, 2022 6:22:42 GMT -6
Is there a way to have people pulled from PE 2x a week to do weight training? We did this at one school where all freshmen were in a basic freshman PE/Health block but 2x a week they came to the weight room. In-season 2x is enough anyway
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 27, 2022 14:48:00 GMT -6
Is there a way to have people pulled from PE 2x a week to do weight training? We did this at one school where all freshmen were in a basic freshman PE/Health block but 2x a week they came to the weight room. In-season 2x is enough anyway Essentially yes but none of us have the same planning period to do lifting at that time. Plus our school encourages kids to participate in varsity sports to get a PE waiver. |
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2022 9:46:50 GMT -6
So in all this, I have some questions for you
1) Has anyone ever just published a workout calendar for the month based on the dates of your winter / spring sports schedules while being respectful of those coaches seasons? I guess going away from havbing a set M-W-R schedule and it would vary based on the athletic week schedule?2) For those who have 3 sport athletes, how many days did you expect them to attend the weight room?3) Has anyone had a separate workout program for "in sport" athletes vs. athletes without a spring sport?4) Any advice for dealing with those coaches who say "oh doing ____ will hurt their swing" etc. etc. aside from showing them the actual research, or getting admin involved?5) Lastly, We use Teambuidlr app, has anyone trusted their kids who say their "working out at home" (due to their spring sport) and allowed them to use the recording feature on the app? How did it go for you?
1. I would suggest having the weight room open as much as possible. Monday through Friday in the morning, Monday through Thursday in the afternoon. IME, weight rooms are a ghost town on Friday afternoons but your case might be different. If you have it open that much, you don't have to work around other sport's schedules; the kids have plenty of time to come in. It requires some flexibility with programming but that's never been an issue for us.
2. We like our multiple sport athletes to get in the weight room one-two times per week but we don't say much if they don't. We all want the kids playing multiple sports and don't want them to feel like they have to choose.
3. Yes, we have an adjusted workout that in-season athletes can use. To be honest, it's not a whole helluva lot different than the regular workout; just pulled back enough to placate some of the other coaches. They get their core lifts in, one assistance exercise and call it good.
4. There's really not much you can do about ignorant coaches. I personally quit sparing with them a long time ago. There's not much point in having the discussion and showing them research if they already have their heels dug in. When I was an AD, I fought the good fight with the weight room and sometimes I won, sometimes I didn't. I walked a fine line as a football coach and had that thrown in my face by the more stubborn coaches. The best I could do was hire people who were "weight room friendly" when the opportunity arose.
5. I've never used that program so I can't comment.
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Post by jml on Apr 2, 2022 21:42:20 GMT -6
1) Has anyone ever just published a workout calendar for the month based on the dates of your winter / spring sports schedules while being respectful of those coaches seasons? I guess going away from havbing a set M-W-R schedule and it would vary based on the athletic week schedule?
Yes, always did M-W-F, always found the kids that cared would be there on Friday.
2) For those who have 3 sport athletes, how many days did you expect them to attend the weight room?
Any day they didn't have a game, but also trying to make it a place they wanted to be be and would come and workout even if they had a regular season game,
3) Has anyone had a separate workout program for "in sport" athletes vs. athletes without a spring sport?
Yes, make is shorter and focus on core movements.
4) Any advice for dealing with those coaches who say "oh doing ____ will hurt their swing" etc. etc. aside from showing them the actual research, or getting admin involved?
Show them the evidence, and if that doesn't work, don't waste you time. It has to be the athletes choice or the other sports coach choice to have his time lift during the season.
5) Lastly, We use Teambuidlr app, has anyone trusted their kids who say their "working out at home" (due to their spring sport) and allowed them to use the recording feature on the app? How did it go for you?
No, our team lifts here, we hope you do other things outside of it as a supplement, but if you want credit for the lift you lift here.
Always remind them... lifting isn't mandatory, but neither is winning.
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