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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 26, 2022 9:36:09 GMT -6
Coaches,
I recently sat down with my current principal to discuss the interview process for a Head Coach, and I'm trying to create a solid plan for academics. What I mean by this is what is your plan for students that are close to failing/just below passing(whether key player or scrub), what is your corrective plan for those that are failing miserably?
I have some ideas, but I don't think it's a solid/good plan. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2022 9:37:51 GMT -6
What does your plan look like?
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 26, 2022 9:52:10 GMT -6
Well the only part I have is if the player is already in deep trouble of failing. Which is to take away laying time. As far as the "at risk" players I have decided on a study hall of sorts after practice, and possibly some form of daily punishment until the grade is back up to passing. The punishment would bear crawling or up downs, and it would increase incrementally until the grade is back to adequately passing.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2022 9:59:37 GMT -6
I would tell you that punishment is not the answer.
Do you teach in the building where you coach?
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 26, 2022 10:04:56 GMT -6
THat's why I'm hesitant about punishing, but yes I am. I'm currently just an assistant and I do grade checks on my position guys.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2022 10:12:17 GMT -6
I would offer before school study sessions.
I would offer after school study sessions.
I would ask staff to help support in focused areas i.e. English, Math, etc. a couple days a week
I would attempt to utilize peers both on the team and in the building to help with academic support
Focus on organization and individualized plan for each student athlete
Keep the parents/guardians involved
Provide a virtual option if needed for support
I also wouldn't require for just at-risk. I would utilize all players on the team or in your group so they don't feel isolated or being put out there in front of others
Find success in previous classes or with certain teachers and see if you can pick up any strategies that may have been successful
Create a contract with player involvement to create benchmarks the need to reach. Have the student, parent, and others sign so everyone knows the expectation.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 26, 2022 10:21:46 GMT -6
I would tell you that punishment is not the answer. Do you teach in the building where you coach? This is exactly correct... don't use punishment! That is definitely not the way to go. Institute a study hall/tutoring for the team members who are in academic trouble. For us, sports participation qualifies a student for P.E. credit toward graduation, so we use that time, when a kid would otherwise attend P.E. class, as a mandatory study hall.
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 26, 2022 10:23:58 GMT -6
This is something I've been looking for as a plan. Thank you for that. The question now becomes what is the punishment for: 1) If they're failing do you let them play? Or do you cut playing time no matter what? 2) If a player refuses to take the learning/tutoring/study hall session, what the consequence for that?
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2022 10:46:07 GMT -6
This is something I've been looking for as a plan. Thank you for that. The question now becomes what is the punishment for: 1) If they're failing do you let them play? Or do you cut playing time no matter what? 2) If a player refuses to take the learning/tutoring/study hall session, what the consequence for that? Create buy-in. Make it a place to be. Build relationships. Can lead a horse to the water, but can't force it to drink. But you can give it a salt tab. Ideas: Provide food and drinks. Be hands-on Reward System The Head Coach needs to set the standard. You need to carry it out. This is the requirement and this is the consequence. Are you able to sit in classes where they are struggling? Can you provide and model interventions that will help with being more successful? Remember they either can't or won't. Your job is to find the answers and it won't be easy. Many kids have poor grades to a lot of factors. Find out those factors. Motivation, results, benefit of, resources, basic skills, etc.
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Post by carookie on Jan 26, 2022 11:17:16 GMT -6
I don't know what your schools policy is on agenda's, binders, teachers posting when assignments are due, etc. But I have found that if you require struggling students to keep an agenda of what is due and when, have their teacher sign it as accurate, and then show you the completed work, it goes a long way to improving grades.
There may be a lot of reasons as to why kids are struggling, but it almost always manifests itself in incomplete, rushed, or missing work. Yeah, there will always be a few teachers on campus that will have a class where they don't actually educate- so kids will try hard but still not learn and fail; but for the most part if a kids is doing the work they will at least pull a passing grade. One- because they are getting their assignments done, and two, in getting the work done they are better prepared for assessments.
I would recommend you create some sort of daily agenda where academically struggling players are mandated to track work that is due, have their teachers sign that the agenda is accurate, and then you (or a member of your staff) check the work. Ensure they are putting forth a good effort, not just rushing to get it done, and hold them accountable.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2022 11:32:08 GMT -6
I don't know what your schools policy is on agenda's, binders, teachers posting when assignments are due, etc. But I have found that if you require struggling students to keep an agenda of what is due and when, have their teacher sign it as accurate, and then show you the completed work, it goes a long way to improving grades. There may be a lot of reasons as to why kids are struggling, but it almost always manifests itself in incomplete, rushed, or missing work. Yeah, there will always be a few teachers on campus that will have a class where they don't actually educate- so kids will try hard but still not learn and fail; but for the most part if a kids is doing the work they will at least pull a passing grade. One- because they are getting their assignments done, and two, in getting the work done they are better prepared for assessments. I would recommend you create some sort of daily agenda where academically struggling players are mandated to track work that is due, have their teachers sign that the agenda is accurate, and then you (or a member of your staff) check the work. Ensure they are putting forth a good effort, not just rushing to get it done, and hold them accountable. Utilize this in-season for weekly grade checks. Solid
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Post by Defcord on Jan 26, 2022 18:19:03 GMT -6
Be consistent in checking their grades. Let them know you aren’t the punisher, you are there to help them succeed. Let them know there are certain academic parameters to play football and other sports at your school. Then create an environment in football that they love so much they never want to miss it and do their work.
We never had an ineligible player when I was a head coach. There was never surprises. We knew their grades and if they started to get low we communicated to them they needed to bring them up. And they did. Out of season we couldn’t do anything and in season we didn’t do anything. Just talk about if you love football you will keep your grades up. In season if it would have gotten bad we would have sat them but we never had to do that.
It’s so easy to pass classes these days. If kids love football, they will do what they are supposed to do. If they don’t, they should probably move on.
I didn’t do much well as a head coach but we connected with the kids on this one. At a school that was threat of academic takeover by the state. Just hammer home if kids love football and they love their teammates they will pass classes.
I wish I could add more but just know who’s getting close to the line and communicate with them.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 27, 2022 10:56:14 GMT -6
From our program manual. We use a 10 point grading system, but the plan was originally developed on the old 7 point system (failing was 69 or lower). Grace is given for the 1st 2 week of each grading period, considering teachers often don't have many grades, slow in put into the system, etc.... That usually means they all are good for the beginning of the season and around the end of season/region play and the beginning of the playoffs. So there is both carrot and stick.
Adjust as needed.
Method: Our director of academic services will check the players grades each week. These grades will be reported to the head coach and staff by Sunday at 1:00. The players will be organized into performance tiers. Each tier will be accompanied with its own recognitions, requirements and support structures. The players may move up through the tiers as the week progresses.
Tier 1: Any player in Tier 1 will have all A’s. These players will be recognized and applauded. These players will also be dismissed from any academic overtimes and study hall for the week.
Tier 2: Any player in Tier 2 will have all grades at or above an 85. These players will be recognized and applauded. These players will also be dismissed from any academic overtimes and study hall for the week.
Tier 3: Any player in Tier 3 will have all grades at or above a 70. These players will be required to attend at least one academic overtime for each class that is below an 85. These players will also be required to attend study hall on Thursday afternoons.
Tier 4: Any player in Tier 4 will have one or more grades BELOW a 70. These players will be required to attend at least two academic overtimes for each class that is below a 70. These players will also be required to attend study hall on Thursday afternoons. These players will be academically suspended for the game this week unless the grade is brought to a 70 or above or receives a teacher’s override*.
Tier 5: Any player in Tier 4 for the third week. These players will be required to attend at least two academic overtimes for each class that is below a 70. These players will also be required to attend study hall on Thursday afternoons. These players will be suspended from this week’s game regardless and from all football related activities until all grades are at or above a 70.
*A teacher may override any academic suspension if they advocate on the players efforts.
Let me know if you have any questions. Understand this is part of a MUCH bigger overall player development program and we have the to staff to manage it. For example our Academic advisor is not a coach and receives a supplement for the work she does.
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Post by paydirt18 on Jan 27, 2022 11:25:16 GMT -6
Coaches, I recently sat down with my current principal to discuss the interview process for a Head Coach, and I'm trying to create a solid plan for academics. What I mean by this is what is your plan for students that are close to failing/just below passing(whether key player or scrub), what is your corrective plan for those that are failing miserably? I have some ideas, but I don't think it's a solid/good plan. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. I don't know if any of the following are things that were already said, but here are some of the things that I continue to do to ensure at the very least that my athletes are eligible. * I do teach in my building so this does help 1. Communicate with your parents. I call, email, text all of my parents. In some cases, parents are unaware that little Johnny is failing. It helps. Also, call when they do well. Goes a very long way. 2. Take your kids that are habitually failing and enroll them in your home room (if you have something like that) and explain to them why. My HR has about 15 more than other teachers, but they're my guys, and in most cases my HR runs very well. 3. Offer second semester study table and let parents know about it. Any kid that is failing 1 or more classes, must come to study table - I only run study table 2x a week and that is just enough to keep kids focused and know that you are serious about it. The incentive is when you are passing all classes, you have the option to not attend. You will find that most will want to stay anyway. 4. Create an on-going point system. We take all of our kids and assign them to Militaty named companies (Alpha, Bravo, etc) and put a senior to be in charge of each group. Then kids are awarded various point level amounts for attending study table, working out, playing a winter or spring sport, etc. You can create that how you like. But then what I do is I divided up the calendar into 4 quarters between the day you start it and the first day of practice. At the end of each quarter I award the winning company with a 'Quarter Champion" t-shirt. They love it. Also this is helpful to keep kids in their companies throughout the season - assign a position coach to each company as well. In season, you can easily have them go to their companies for any type of team competition, fundraising, punishments, etc. 5. turn into Rain Man regarding their individual academics. I pretty much check on individual grades for my kids every 3-4 days. Over time, you start memorizing schedules, grades, etc just by simply looking at them so much. Then in the hallway, when you pull them over for 1:1 informal convos or whatever and you talk with them and mention specifics about their grades you can see them become initially shocked that you "know so much about them" (they actually really like the attention - they just won't tell you) and then they develop that trust with you. IDK, those are some things that I still do and it works for me.
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 27, 2022 14:40:35 GMT -6
All of these are really good/great ideas. My next question is this: What do you all do when you have the kids that truly just DGAF about academics?
I only ask because the current school I'm working for, though incredibly talented, is extremely low academically. I mean we had 3 subjects on the state EOC that were "TOO low to score".
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 27, 2022 15:04:12 GMT -6
All of these are really good/great ideas. My next question is this: What do you all do when you have the kids that truly just DGAF about academics? I only ask because the current school I'm working for, though incredibly talented, is extremely low academically. I mean we had 3 subjects on the state EOC that were "TOO low to score". Read my post They don't play
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 27, 2022 15:18:52 GMT -6
Playing time is the greatest reward of all... people look at a kid not playing for a quarter/half/game a "punishment", but PLAYING IS THE REWARD. The kid who IS PLAYING is being REWARDED for doing all the right things.
Focus on the kid who is doing the right things getting to play more. You are doing the same thing, but you are rewarding one kid, which because you can only play 11, is going to leave a kid out.
If winning games while doing the wrong things is your priority, then convince a teacher to change the grade of your best player and teach them that doing the wrong thing is okay as long as you can ball... if doing the right things is more important than whether you win a game on a Friday night, then reward the kids doing the right things with the funnest part of the sport. Playing the game.
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Post by RunThePistol on Jan 28, 2022 8:06:07 GMT -6
THanks guuys, I really appreciate all the information, and advice. coachwoodall , my apologies I somehow missed that the first time I read your post. These are the things I need to really correct/tighten up my Academic Plan. cqmiller I want my program to exemplify doing things the right in every way, which hopefully still translates to wins, but winning is not my most important aspiration. THanks for enforcing this belief.
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Post by jstoss24 on Jan 28, 2022 8:50:35 GMT -6
I really like the system we had in place when I was in high school. I would like to implement it when I become a head coach.
Any player who is failing a class does not practice until they are no longer failing a class. Our media center was open after school for an hour or so, and that became a de facto study hall. It was 100% objective. It did not matter if you were normally a straight-A student, it did not matter if you were All-State. If you were failing a class, you were in study hall and not practicing until you were passing again.
I think too many coaches are afraid to be truly objective with punishment because they don't want to run off their better players. I would rather roll out 11 warm bodies that take care of their schoolwork than have to trust a guy who can't turn in an assignment to not jump offsides on 4th and 1.
Having objective rules like this is what created the culture we had and we hardly ever had anybody miss practice because they knew passing your classes was the standard.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 28, 2022 9:20:13 GMT -6
I used to check grades all the time, year round too. I would send little rewards to football players who made the honor roll. A post card and a pack of Smarties candy. Yeah it is cheesy but cheap and shows I care. I would send a post card to those failing and telling to seek help if needed, that I could help them and if I could not then I would help facilitate getting help from the teacher. At one point a mom got really pissed off at me in the spring for "bullying" her son into getting good grades. Other than that we did study table in-season which worked really well at first. But later I ran out of coaches in the building (we all taught in the middle school or out of the district later on). That is key to have a coach over there who can start that whom the players will not jack around and actually use the time. We gave out helmet stickers for various in-game and in-practice things but also for making the honor roll each quarter the previous school year.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 28, 2022 9:54:25 GMT -6
A question to go along with this topic is how are your grading systems set up? For example, we have a system where 90% of our class grades are assessments, and only 10% is based on daily/practice work. So, if a student does poorly on a test they may not even really have a chance to raise the grade until the next assessment which could be 2, 3, or 4 weeks later. Granted, students may get a chance to retake the assessment they did poorly on but not always.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 31, 2022 9:25:15 GMT -6
I love the part from coachwoodall where the teacher can intercede. To me not all kids are created equal. any kid that can get a teacher to intercede has to be doing things right in class, they may just struggle with said subject or had a bad day. Most of the time in todays academic setting the kids that fail, fail bc they dont give a crap. It's not because they arent smart enough. Its because they are lazy. That kinda forces me to ask ... WHY NOT PUNISH??? Again, I dont wanna punish the kid that works hard to scratch out a D bc hes just not very smart, but the kid that knows all my blitzes and plays and checks but hasnt turned in a homework assignment in 3 weeks... that kid needs to be punished IMHO. I believe we as society started getting soft when we started this no negative reinforcement crap. Heck, real life has negative reinforcement. Real life dont make me feel good when I screw up. Part of why I studied in school was bc I knew that if I didnt, my dad would whip my tail. A lot of kids today dont have that at home. I guess say all that to say this... there is no cookie cutter way. Find out why kid isnt passing and handle accordingly.
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Post by Coach Jennings on Jan 31, 2022 13:57:03 GMT -6
We have incorporated several things with great success:
In Season - We have a coach in charge of academics and each week he does grade checks. Kids who have A/Bs receive an academic helmet sticker. - If necessary study tables after practice OR on Mondays and Fridays before games - As the season progresses and there's a real chance you may will ineligible, you will be removed from practice and go to a study table. We stopped doing this but had some success with it. - Teachers give out helmet stickers for kids going above and beyond in the classroom
Out of Season - GPA clubs and hand out wrist bands - Study tables on early release days in school
These are just some of the things we've done.
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