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Post by coachkeating33 on Jan 2, 2022 21:29:21 GMT -6
anyone have any thoughts on that incident? will another team pick him up?
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Post by CS on Jan 3, 2022 3:53:53 GMT -6
Someone will pick him up for sure. If he can play he will get paid for it.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 3, 2022 6:14:13 GMT -6
He's done. That has never happened before people will notice. Not to hard to replace 500 yards receiving.
On a side note it's sad that we are at a place in time where there needs to be an excuse for everyone and their behavior. I have seen so many posts about his actions and all the codling of him it's unreal. Maybe the guy has problems. He's also 34 and knows right from wrong. Personally I think he's just a huge a**hole and that's his problem.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 3, 2022 6:28:00 GMT -6
We actually did have a player walk off the field this past season, albeit less dramatically and not a star player. He then showed up to practice the next Tuesday (after obviously missing Monday's practice) like nothing happened. He was quickly told that he was no longer on the team.
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Post by MICoach on Jan 3, 2022 7:08:46 GMT -6
We had a kid do something very similar in practice a couple years back. He knew he was on thin ice and used that as his opportunity to leave on his own terms...it was a bummer for a number of reasons (we all wanted the kid to succeed) but we were better off without him at that point.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 3, 2022 7:24:19 GMT -6
Doesnt do much to help the stereotype that WRs are basketcases 😄
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 3, 2022 7:31:38 GMT -6
Had a kid do this with :36 left in the first half of our playoff game my first year as a HC in 2005. Peeled his jersey and pads off, threw the. at my feet in the huddle and walked off.
Superintendent came up to us at halftime with the kid in tow and asked if I'd let him play the second half. The kid never raised his eyes off the ground. I said no. Super said I should "Strongly reconsider". I said no again. I was fired as HC of Football and Wrestling and as a teacher the next March.
Later found out the super went out to the kid's mom's car and told him that he'd get him back on the field.
After seeing the highlight of the Brown incident, my wife goes "I wonder if Tampa's superintendent tried to get him back on the team?"
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 3, 2022 7:50:03 GMT -6
Seeing some people online connecting the hit he took from Burfict several years back to his increasingly erratic behavior, maybe a side effect of CTE.
Dude was always a a head case but he has obviously gotten progressively worse.
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Post by blb on Jan 3, 2022 8:07:53 GMT -6
Seeing some people online connecting the hit he took from Burfict several years back to his increasingly erratic behavior, maybe a side effect of CTE. Dude was always a a head case but he has obviously gotten progressively worse. Could there be a connection to the Burfict hit? Possibly, can't know for sure. Would think if one such hit could do it we would have seen similar behavior from other players previously. Or maybe Brown is just an amoral narcissist.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 3, 2022 8:23:34 GMT -6
I think he was always a narcissist, but irrational behavior and irritability are CTE symptoms and he displays both, more so than before the hit. Now, that could simply be a issue with him personally or it could but that what was always there is getting worse with age. We will never know.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 3, 2022 8:24:12 GMT -6
Had a kid do this with :36 left in the first half of our playoff game my first year as a HC in 2005. Peeled his jersey and pads off, threw the. at my feet in the huddle and walked off. Superintendent came up to us at halftime with the kid in tow and asked if I'd let him play the second half. The kid never raised his eyes off the ground. I said no. Super said I should "Strongly reconsider". I said no again. I was fired as HC of Football and Wrestling and as a teacher the next March. Later found out the super went out to the kid's mom's car and told him that he'd get him back on the field. After seeing the highlight of the Brown incident, my wife goes "I wonder if Tampa's superintendent tried to get him back on the team?" Kudos to you for standing your ground, my friend, did my heart good to read that
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 3, 2022 8:24:43 GMT -6
I think he was always a narcissist, but irrational behavior and irritability are CTE symptoms and he displays both, more so than before the hit. Now, that could simply be a issue with him personally or it could but that what was always there is getting worse with age. We will never know. Again, all WRs are basketcases 😄😄
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2022 8:35:27 GMT -6
side story
we had a kid about 15 years ago
like week 3
in the middle of practice
just went nuts, started cussing, threw his shoulder pads and helmet off and started walking off
one of our young coaches was like hey "jimmy come back"
jimmy said "nah coach" with the cutting motion across throat "don't bother"
jimmy kept walkin....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 8:51:07 GMT -6
side story we had a kid about 15 years ago like week 3 in the middle of practice just went nuts, started cussing, threw his shoulder pads and helmet off and started walking off one of our young coaches was like hey "jimmy come back" jimmy said "nah coach" with the cutting motion across throat "don't bother" jimmy kept walkin.... That is pretty routine here, pretty close to every day. the kids cussing, throwing a temper tantrum.
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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2022 9:32:38 GMT -6
side story we had a kid about 15 years ago like week 3 in the middle of practice just went nuts, started cussing, threw his shoulder pads and helmet off and started walking off one of our young coaches was like hey "jimmy come back" jimmy said "nah coach" with the cutting motion across throat "don't bother" jimmy kept walkin.... That is pretty routine here, pretty close to every day. the kids cussing, throwing a temper tantrum. yeah bye
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 9:39:19 GMT -6
That is pretty routine here, pretty close to every day. the kids cussing, throwing a temper tantrum. yeah bye That’s a good day.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 3, 2022 10:17:51 GMT -6
We lost a tight game a few years ago. The team scored a go-ahead touchdown on a fade with about 40 seconds left on the clock. One of the CBs (opposite of the cat who gave up the score) stormed off the field, dumped his pads and walked to the locker room. He was still sitting there when the team walked in after the game. I didn't have to say anything to him; senior captain beat me to it.
"Get the hell out of here, chicken chit."
He left and we never saw him again.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 3, 2022 17:03:19 GMT -6
Had a kid do this with :36 left in the first half of our playoff game my first year as a HC in 2005. Peeled his jersey and pads off, threw the. at my feet in the huddle and walked off. Superintendent came up to us at halftime with the kid in tow and asked if I'd let him play the second half. The kid never raised his eyes off the ground. I said no. Super said I should "Strongly reconsider". I said no again. I was fired as HC of Football and Wrestling and as a teacher the next March. Later found out the super went out to the kid's mom's car and told him that he'd get him back on the field. After seeing the highlight of the Brown incident, my wife goes "I wonder if Tampa's superintendent tried to get him back on the team?" Kudos to you for standing your ground, my friend, did my heart good to read that As my dad told me after I fired the school board president from my coaching staff one time- "Son, sometimes you got more balls than brains."
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Post by 19delta on Jan 3, 2022 18:05:27 GMT -6
Seeing some people online connecting the hit he took from Burfict several years back to his increasingly erratic behavior, maybe a side effect of CTE. Dude was always a a head case but he has obviously gotten progressively worse. I don't agree with that. From the time he entered the league in 2010 until his last year with the Steelers, he was a superstar and a fan favorite and a great teammate by all accounts. But, something clearly slipped around 2015 or 2016. That's when his behavior started to become erratic. The first incident I remember that made me wonder about him was when he live-streamed Mike Tomlin's locker room speech the week before the AFC Championship Game. That was a shocking violation of team protocol. And since then, his behavior has become much worse. Maybe the Burfict hit happening about the same time is just a coincidence. The thing is, if he DOES have CTE and that is what is causing these incidents, "getting him help" probably won't do much. There's no cure for CTE. I'm not sure what could be done to mitigate his behaviors. Brown reminds me a lot of what happened to Justin Strzelcyzk. That ended really badly. I hope if Brown is headed that way that he doesn't take anyone with him.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 3, 2022 18:42:35 GMT -6
Seeing some people online connecting the hit he took from Burfict several years back to his increasingly erratic behavior, maybe a side effect of CTE. Dude was always a a head case but he has obviously gotten progressively worse. I don't agree with that. From the time he entered the league in 2010 until his last year with the Steelers, he was a superstar and a fan favorite and a great teammate by all accounts. But, something clearly slipped around 2015 or 2016. That's when his behavior started to become erratic. The first incident I remember that made me wonder about him was when he live-streamed Mike Tomlin's locker room speech the week before the AFC Championship Game. That was a shocking violation of team protocol. And since then, his behavior has become much worse. Maybe the Burfict hit happening about the same time is just a coincidence. The thing is, if he DOES have CTE and that is what is causing these incidents, "getting him help" probably won't do much. There's no cure for CTE. I'm not sure what could be done to mitigate his behaviors. Brown reminds me a lot of what happened to Justin Strzelcyzk. That ended really badly. I hope if Brown is headed that way that he doesn't take anyone with him. The thing is too, ***based on what we currently know*** about CTE, the Burfict hit wouldnt have had a huge enough impact to suddenly cause CTE to develop (other brain issues possibly, though). As people have said over and over on this issue, it isnt the big, acute hits, it's the repeated typical, everyday hits built up over one's time playing.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 4, 2022 6:36:04 GMT -6
I don't agree with that. From the time he entered the league in 2010 until his last year with the Steelers, he was a superstar and a fan favorite and a great teammate by all accounts. But, something clearly slipped around 2015 or 2016. That's when his behavior started to become erratic. The first incident I remember that made me wonder about him was when he live-streamed Mike Tomlin's locker room speech the week before the AFC Championship Game. That was a shocking violation of team protocol. And since then, his behavior has become much worse. Maybe the Burfict hit happening about the same time is just a coincidence. The thing is, if he DOES have CTE and that is what is causing these incidents, "getting him help" probably won't do much. There's no cure for CTE. I'm not sure what could be done to mitigate his behaviors. Brown reminds me a lot of what happened to Justin Strzelcyzk. That ended really badly. I hope if Brown is headed that way that he doesn't take anyone with him. The thing is too, ***based on what we currently know*** about CTE, the Burfict hit wouldnt have had a huge enough impact to suddenly cause CTE to develop (other brain issues possibly, though). As people have said over and over on this issue, it isnt the big, acute hits, it's the repeated typical, everyday hits built up over one's time playing. There is a saying about arguing with people on the internet and this (not here but twitter and other places) is a prime example of how the hysteria over CTE has warped peoples minds. People are posting like you just catch CTE like a cold, one instance and BAM you have CTE! Personally I think he's just an A-hole and his rise to super star warped him and led him down this path. It was also right around that time when he was getting his big pay day and exploding in popularity. Some people can't handle that and surround them selves with bad people and make bad decisions. Society wants and answer for everything and something to deflect blame from people now days. Some people are just bad people and A-holes as I have said period point blank. Look at this guys history hes a wack job and no one should be shocked by what he did.
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Post by MICoach on Jan 4, 2022 7:18:11 GMT -6
side story we had a kid about 15 years ago like week 3 in the middle of practice just went nuts, started cussing, threw his shoulder pads and helmet off and started walking off one of our young coaches was like hey "jimmy come back" jimmy said "nah coach" with the cutting motion across throat "don't bother" jimmy kept walkin.... This jogged my memory to a story from college. Our starting TE was a team captain, and a little bit of a loose cannon. His younger brother was a back up OL. End of practice one day, competition period between #2 offense and #2 defense - offense throws a pick and little brother is trying to make the tackle, and he gets just absolutely clobbered by a blindside block...like the sort of hit that the whole team audibly reacts to. Big brother starts FREAKING out, runs out from the sideline to fight the guy that hit his brother, yelling about "that's my brother!" and such...eventually he gets split up and he's still shouting and literally crying, having a complete meltdown. He rips his helmet and pads off, throws them on the practice field and storms off. We all wonder if we'll ever see him again, but also kind of have a laugh about it because it was so outrageous. Anyway he was back the next day and gave some sort of attempt at an apology, then it was never spoke of again
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 4, 2022 7:30:20 GMT -6
The only way I see that hit on AB affecting him as quickly as people argue it did is if to deal with the severity of the concussion he started using something to numb the pain. Otherwise, it isn't CTE. There's guys out of the league 15 years just starting to feel effects.
A lot of people want to draw parallels from AB to Aaron Hernandez, but Hernandez was a experimenting with the "life" even back in HS. His dad's death probably had more to do with his descent than CTE did at that immediate time.
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 4, 2022 7:53:43 GMT -6
Society wants and answer for everything and something to deflect blame from people now days. Some people are just bad people and A-holes as I have said period point blank. Look at this guys history hes a wack job and no one should be shocked by what he did. I harp on both of these all the time! I think sometimes too the true bad people and A-holes know that society tries to explain everything away with mental illness and brain chemistry, and use that to keep getting away with their a$$hat behavior...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2022 8:33:26 GMT -6
I think he was always a narcissist, but irrational behavior and irritability are CTE symptoms and he displays both, more so than before the hit. Now, that could simply be a issue with him personally or it could but that what was always there is getting worse with age. We will never know. He’s always had a pattern of such behavior, at least since college. The Steelers are said to have put up with a lot and kept a ton of this type of behavior under wraps. Based on numerous things that have been said about him, I’d doubt this is CTE from a single tough hit. The guy seems to have a mental Illness of some kind. I believe he has said something about having a personality disorder in the past. People with Borderline Personality Disorder tend to show a lot of the same selfish, childish, and volatile behavior that AB has become known for. Essentially, they have the emotional development of a neglected toddler but in an adult’s body with an adult’s intellect. When things don’t go their way, they tend to flip out, throw tantrums and do self destructive stuff (like provoke petty fights and take advantage of others) to get attention and manipulate others. Since AB always feels like the victim in these episodes, that also goes with potential BPD or even NPD. Personality disorders like BPD are some of the hardest mental health conditions to treat. There is no cure and for improvement they essentially need to be “re-parented” over several years by a very good therapist to develop emotional awareness and self control. As you might imagine, that is a hard sell for someone who is extremely immature and impatient, which BPD patients are. For a multi-millionaire pro athlete who’s used to being shielded from the consequences of his behavior (which is about the WORST thing you can do for someone with BPD) , that’s probably not going to happen. As for AB’s career, he’s only gotten this far because he was freakishly talented and productive so people kept giving him extra chances. He was arguably the best WR in the league for much of his career. Now he’s a 34 year old WR who seems to have lost a step and only had 500 yards receiving as his team’s #2 receiver. That’s not exactly worth the headaches, especially after this. Someone might make him an offer for a low amount, which he will almost surely balk at. I don’t see him returning to the league again.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 4, 2022 10:15:20 GMT -6
The thing is too, ***based on what we currently know*** about CTE, the Burfict hit wouldnt have had a huge enough impact to suddenly cause CTE to develop (other brain issues possibly, though). As people have said over and over on this issue, it isnt the big, acute hits, it's the repeated typical, everyday hits built up over one's time playing. There is a saying about arguing with people on the internet and this (not here but twitter and other places) is a prime example of how the hysteria over CTE has warped peoples minds. People are posting like you just catch CTE like a cold, one instance and BAM you have CTE! Personally I think he's just an A-hole and his rise to super star warped him and led him down this path. It was also right around that time when he was getting his big pay day and exploding in popularity. Some people can't handle that and surround them selves with bad people and make bad decisions. Society wants and answer for everything and something to deflect blame from people now days. Some people are just bad people and A-holes as I have said period point blank. Look at this guys history hes a wack job and no one should be shocked by what he did.
And, when there is an issue, be it mental health or other wise, folks are quick to use as an excuse for poor choices/actions. Maybe AB is dealing with CTE or he's severely mentally it doesn't matter. He can't use it to justify bad behavior.
Over Christmas, I found out that a relative of mine committed a serious felony and will be spending time in prison. He's diagnosed as bipolar but lost his chit at a bar, assaulted someone and is now facing serious legal trouble. Needless to say, some of my family members won't be talking to me any time soon (or ever) as they wanted to use his diagnosis as an excuse and I told them I though that was crap.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 4, 2022 12:05:02 GMT -6
I don't think he developed CTE from one hit, but that may have been the straw that broke the camels back. Imo this is definitely a personality disorder that has been exasperated by something (could be a lot of things: CTE, substance issues, etc).
No whatever his problem is its not an excuse for his behavior, it may be a contributing factor but he's still responsible for his actions. Society seems to want to place blame on the condition and not the individual and that's BS.
Idk if he will get another shot or not, an outburst in practice or the locker room is one thing but in the middle of a game is another.
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Post by lws55 on Jan 4, 2022 12:37:48 GMT -6
We had an incident similar to this, it was JV game and our Varsity HC had a policy that if someone messes up you take them out coach them up and when they can get back in, send them back in. It had been the same all year, kids expected it. This player didn't squeeze the down block got obliterated by the pulling guard and they had a big run. His position coach pulled him out and the kid lost it, shoved the coach, threw his gloves, helmet, stripped off his shoulder pads and yelled at his mom in the stands to come get him. His position coach tried to talk to him and had him by the shoulders in a "look at me so I can talk to you" way. Kid shoves him again and by this time the mom was there and she took him home.
Next day the dad and the kid show up in the coaches office and myself (I was the head JV coach) and the Varsity HC were there. Dad is telling us that we need to let him back on the team and that our coach should not have put hands on his kid etc. We both agreed that he did not deserve to be allowed back and told the dad. Later that afternoon I was pulled out of class by the Principal and told that the kid was to be allowed back an that was all that was going to be said about the incident. Turns out the dad owned a car dealership that sponsored our scoreboard and threatened to pull the money if we didn't allow his son to play. I had to allow the kid back but I did not play him even in garbage time.
As the year went on the kids behavior got more and more erratic, I had him in class and he sent me a homework project over email that was a picture of guy flipping the bird. When I reported to our AP, the AP suspended him for a day and then the mother came down and said that he had asked her to email his project and she had sent the wrong file. He was back in school the next day.
The kid transferred to another school after the school year, not sure what happened to him after that
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Post by lws55 on Jan 4, 2022 14:23:49 GMT -6
The follow up to my previous post would be that there is no way that kid had taken enough hits to have developed CTE, could he have had some mental issues, most definitely. I don't think that should excuse the behavior but it should be looked into and that starts at home, from there the people who are around them should step in and you would think with the resources that an NFL team would have at their disposal this could be addressed especially with the amount of money these teams put into these players.
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Post by coachsticks on Jan 4, 2022 18:34:52 GMT -6
One of the lingering mysteries regarding the Antonio Brown situation is whether he refused to re-enter Sunday’s game against the Jets due to a lingering ankle injury. Via Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times, Brown indeed has a lingering ankle injury.
Stroud reports that Brown visited with a “top surgeon” outside the team, and that the evaluation (including an MRI) confirmed that he has “serious pain.” The belief, per Stroud, is that Brown “probably should’ve never been on the field to begin with on Sunday.”
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