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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 9:12:11 GMT -6
What about this one..... schools like Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Northwestern, schools traditionally weak athletically but with a huge academic history, suddenly able to use their massive booster resources to pull in top-tier talent. As it's been said repeatedly, the landscape of college football is changing, we just dont know where and how This is an interesting point. Just imagine what Stanford might be able to do with all that Silicon Valley money from alums. However, I think the same academic standards that make it difficult to get players in school at those places will continue to keep them in the basement. All that money doesn’t matter if the kid can’t get into school or keep his grades ups. None of those schools seem interested in compromising those standards for the sake of athletics any time soon. I wonder if boosters are going to just start recruiting kids outside of the school’s oversight or control. If anything, this gives more power to boosters and corporate sponsors at the expense of the coaches and institutional control.
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Post by 53 on Dec 16, 2021 9:13:14 GMT -6
I think it will hurt a lot of traditional powers more than the lower level teams, and will level the playing field a bit. Look at teams like Auburn that already had their boosters running a well oiled machine on funneling money to recruits. Now they just lost that edge, because every program can do it without fear of getting caught. The thing that’s going to potentially hurt your Auburns of the world is going to be the ability for teams with national media reach, like USC and Notre Dame, to offer more and bigger regional and national deals for players. It also lowers the value or need for athletic scholarships. Why give a kid $20k a year for school when you’ve hooked him up with a $500k NIL deal? This could lead to a lot of big time players going to major programs as “walk ons” and effectively makes scholarship limits (or reductions as part of sanctions) a moot point. Going to make the athletic side get more into marketing and getting their brand out there. I think with the internet and social media now. The smaller schools can compete, since eyes aren't solely tied a handful of the traditional broadcasting networks. Look at what Deion pulled off yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 9:16:52 GMT -6
I wonder if boosters are going to just start recruiting kids outside of the school’s oversight or control. If anything, this gives more power to boosters and corporate sponsors at the expense of the coaches and institutional control. This is already a coach killer. It is one of reasons some power programs can never get it together. And it has sent more than one to other jobs. This is also true in HS. You see this in hs all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 9:20:16 GMT -6
The thing that’s going to potentially hurt your Auburns of the world is going to be the ability for teams with national media reach, like USC and Notre Dame, to offer more and bigger regional and national deals for players. It also lowers the value or need for athletic scholarships. Why give a kid $20k a year for school when you’ve hooked him up with a $500k NIL deal? This could lead to a lot of big time players going to major programs as “walk ons” and effectively makes scholarship limits (or reductions as part of sanctions) a moot point. Going to make the athletic side get more into marketing and getting their brand out there. I think with the internet and social media now. The smaller schools can compete, since eyes aren't solely tied a handful of the traditional broadcasting networks. Look at what Deion pulled off yesterday. I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming.
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Post by 53 on Dec 16, 2021 9:35:05 GMT -6
Going to make the athletic side get more into marketing and getting their brand out there. I think with the internet and social media now. The smaller schools can compete, since eyes aren't solely tied a handful of the traditional broadcasting networks. Look at what Deion pulled off yesterday. I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming. The program didn't pay that cost though. A private company paid it due to their connections to Deion. I think that's a big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 9:36:27 GMT -6
I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming. The program didn't pay that cost though. A private company paid it due to their connections to Deion. I think that's a big difference. Ding ding ding!!!And we have a winner!!!!!! dirtiest secret in “amateur sports.”
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Post by bulldogsdc on Dec 16, 2021 10:04:42 GMT -6
Why can't a High School kid get an NIL deal?
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Post by rosey65 on Dec 16, 2021 10:07:55 GMT -6
The program didn't pay that cost though. A private company paid it due to their connections to Deion. I think that's a big difference. Ding ding ding!!!And we have a winner!!!!!! dirtiest secret in “amateur sports.” The big point is that it's not only no longer a secret, it's now a marketable of the sport. Any company in the world can tell a kid "I will sponsor you if you go to __(insert school here)__. It used to be facilities and perks (and secret sex parties) that would attract a recruit. Now it's an endorsement deal. So YES, Deion has an advantage. YES, lincoln riley can pull whoever he wants to USC with any and all SoCal money he can find. Reggie Bush's family wouldn't have had to accept a house from a 3rd party, Reggie would have gotten a check handed to him at a photo op, and he'd be in the Heisman House commercials to this day. Cam Newton's dad wouldn't have taken $250k from Miss St, and Miss St wouldn't have had to try and buy off Mr Newton. Instead, their offer would have just been politely refused. The recruiting element of the sport has changed almost overnight.
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Post by rosey65 on Dec 16, 2021 10:09:03 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 10:12:37 GMT -6
Ding ding ding!!!And we have a winner!!!!!! dirtiest secret in “amateur sports.” The big point is that it's not only no longer a secret, it's now a marketable of the sport. Any company in the world can tell a kid "I will sponsor you if you go to __(insert school here)__. It used to be facilities and perks (and secret sex parties) that would attract a recruit. Now it's an endorsement deal. So YES, Deion has an advantage. YES, lincoln riley can pull whoever he wants to USC with any and all SoCal money he can find. Reggie Bush's family wouldn't have had to accept a house from a 3rd party, Reggie would have gotten a check handed to him at a photo op, and he'd be in the Heisman House commercials to this day. Cam Newton's dad wouldn't have taken $250k from Miss St, and Miss St wouldn't have had to try and buy off Mr Newton. Instead, their offer would have just been politely refused. The recruiting element of the sport has changed almost overnight. Every program that has or has had success outside the DNA Charity bank rolling through their district, Has deep pockets attached to it. And it last longer than the dna charity bank. Colorado was attached to budweiser or some beer thing for years under mccartney. My first boss had parents who wrote checks for anything he wanted..
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Post by coachcb on Dec 16, 2021 10:13:39 GMT -6
My alma mater started the first nine games of the year with a portal transfer QB. He was struggling and ended up benched. He bailed back to the transfer portal as the team entered the play-offs. Thankfully, his backup is playing stellar ball and they're in the FCS semi-finals.
The original starter has been allowed to be a friggin' merc by the transfer portal. It taught him he could bail instead of working through adversity and getting that spot back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 10:15:37 GMT -6
My alma mater started the first nine games of the year with a portal transfer QB. He was struggling and ended up benched. He bailed back to the transfer portal as the team entered the play-offs. Thankfully, his backup is playing stellar ball and they're in the FCS semi-finals. The original starter has been allowed to be a friggin' merc by the transfer portal. It taught him he could bail instead of working through adversity and getting that spot back. It makes the recruiting process even more about people….hmm
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Post by fantom on Dec 16, 2021 17:42:07 GMT -6
Going to make the athletic side get more into marketing and getting their brand out there. I think with the internet and social media now. The smaller schools can compete, since eyes aren't solely tied a handful of the traditional broadcasting networks. Look at what Deion pulled off yesterday. I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming. Another 5-7 year for FSU and Prime and the kid may both end up there.
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Post by newcoryell on Dec 16, 2021 18:05:39 GMT -6
Simply make it the OFFICIAL minor leagues and divorce the schools from it.
The players, coaches and ADs don't want to do that though. I can guarantee you that NIL deals wouldn't be flowing to the Little Elm Rangers or other smaller metro areas and make $15k.
The schools already HAVE the deals with the media. It would be NOTHING for them to simply say no players with NIL contracts are eligible. Period. Transfer portal should stay.
It's time for the NFL to simply mimic MLB and draft players and assign them to minor league teams for development.
Players can get money in terms of signing bonuses and remove the illusion of school for those that don't want it. Colleges get to live off of the BRAND that the school has. I love my alma mater. I don't care if 5-star McGillicutty comes and plays. I'll watch him on Sundays. I want to see MY university beat our rival...mostly, fair and square.
Coaches can coach for mid 200k and make it literally a step up from some of the HS programs. No more $50m contracts for them either. We are all on this board and can agree that we have met coaches at the HS level that could ABSOLUTELY hack it at the top level....outside of the poisonous nature of the venture.
The problem that I have...and have had with this nonsense is that it has trickled down into the HS level. I try to enjoy the "purity" of football and all of this dreck makes me sick. And I'm sure that someone is going to start posting things they've read about numerous coaches in D1 that cheated and pay for play...and this idiocy that a SCHOLARSHIP isn't actually payment. BULL. I went to college on a D1 athletic scholarship and NEVER had any of the issues I've heard spewed all over the place.
I legit used Pell Grant's funds, which were $4k BTW, along with subsidized student loans ($5k a semester if I remember right) along with my stipend in the middle of a major American city....perfectly. $7k a semester with a toddler. Got my degrees....and have gotten so much help from my school's alumni.....enough about me.
This is horrible. I love the game. Can we not try to keep SOMETHING a bit pure? A bit?
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Post by newcoryell on Dec 16, 2021 18:06:43 GMT -6
Why can't a High School kid get an NIL deal? THEY CAN. Get ready for money laundering and all kinds of tomfoolery.
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Post by fantom on Dec 16, 2021 18:14:56 GMT -6
Simply make it the OFFICIAL minor leagues and divorce the schools from it. The players, coaches and ADs don't want to do that though. I can guarantee you that NIL deals wouldn't be flowing to the Little Elm Rangers or other smaller metro areas and make $15k. The schools already HAVE the deals with the media. It would be NOTHING for them to simply say no players with NIL contracts are eligible. Period. Transfer portal should stay. It's time for the NFL to simply mimic MLB and draft players and assign them to minor league teams for development. Why would the NFL pay for something that they get for free now?
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Post by newcoryell on Dec 16, 2021 20:08:30 GMT -6
That's why the colleges need to force their hand.
I mean...this is all inconsequential.
It's not going to happen. Just another thing "infected" with whatever we want to call this.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 16, 2021 20:22:10 GMT -6
That's why the colleges need to force their hand. I mean...this is all inconsequential. It's not going to happen. Just another thing "infected" with whatever we want to call this. I don't think colleges would want to potentially "kill" the golden goose...especially not the people that reap the benefits from that goose. I agree with you in that I think two "easy" solutions would bring college football to an unprecedented level of "purity" (for lack of a better term): 1) HC salaries capped at about $200,000. Athletic Admin Salaries capped at about $140,000. 2) Instant and binding offer procedure regarding recruiting. Do it through a clearinghouse. School initiates offer through clearing house. When athlete accepts, it is binding. Want to offer a 7th grader, great. He accepts and it is binding. He never grows, well shucks. Want to accept an "offer" because of a particular coach (and not the school). Great. He bolts? Well Shucks. (The second provision doesn't sit with me as well if the salaries are still the current market value)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 21:37:12 GMT -6
I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming. Another 5-7 year for FSU and Prime and the kid may both end up there. People are already talking about that, Some conspiracy theorists believe that exact scenario is Prime’s real endgame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 21:45:38 GMT -6
I think at the lower division schools, stuff like what Deion did will make things even more unequal. Deion reportedly got that kid hooked up with a $1 million deal before he ever plays a down of college football. If that’s the cost to compete in the FCS now, and only a few FCS programs turn any profit, imagine how much Alabama is going to need to pay out next year to keep all those 4 and 5 stars coming. The program didn't pay that cost though. A private company paid it due to their connections to Deion. I think that's a big difference. The deal was still set up by Deion, so even though the school didn’t pay it directly, Deion is still responsible and the kid is signing fhere because he got it hooked up. As an aside, reports are now saying it was actually $2 million that the kid is getting. Arch Manning will probably be able to land an 8 figure deal in a few years. Schools are going to have to hire people just to set these 18-23 year old kids up with big endorsement deals as part of the recruiting process if they want to stay competitive. That’s going to add up fast, especially in an era where schools must spend millions in booster donations to constantly upgrade their facilities in order to stay in the recruiting arms’ race. Something has to give.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 22:35:33 GMT -6
Which is why they will cut scholarships. I also believe they are trying to get this down to as few as two mega conferences, then break away and do their own thing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 17, 2021 5:02:45 GMT -6
The program didn't pay that cost though. A private company paid it due to their connections to Deion. I think that's a big difference. The deal was still set up by Deion, so even though the school didn’t pay it directly, Deion is still responsible and the kid is signing fhere because he got it hooked up. As an aside, reports are now saying it was actually $2 million that the kid is getting. Arch Manning will probably be able to land an 8 figure deal in a few years. Schools are going to have to hire people just to set these 18-23 year old kids up with big endorsement deals as part of the recruiting process if they want to stay competitive. That’s going to add up fast, especially in an era where schools must spend millions in booster donations to constantly upgrade their facilities in order to stay in the recruiting arms’ race. Something has to give. What deal? Everywhere I look the story (from the source) is there was NO deal.
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