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Post by rooster on Nov 30, 2021 21:02:59 GMT -6
Coaches,
I'm looking for an off-season program where our "leaders" draft teams from the pool of our returning players. They earn / lose points based on workout attendance, grades, competitions, so on and so forth.
Does someone have a written program that they would be willing to share that contains all the details? I'm not looking for general ideas; rather, I am looking for the detailed program. Thank you.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 1, 2021 16:27:05 GMT -6
If I were a kid, I wouldn't want to participate in that. Too much like extra homework.
When I was that age I went into the weight room because coach told me that the girls liked it.
But...whatever floats your boat.
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Post by rooster on Dec 1, 2021 16:58:19 GMT -6
If I were a kid, I wouldn't want to participate in that. Too much like extra homework. When I was that age I went into the weight room because coach told me that the girls liked it. But...whatever floats your boat. I respect your opinion, coach. Thank you! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 18:33:32 GMT -6
Jim wendler. There is a talk on here that he describes.
60 minutes. And I wouldn’t do that.
Get them in and out.
Get them stronger. Sounds like a duh. But nothing would do more for#’s than visible changes in kids. Make it so a dumbass like me could oversee it
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 1, 2021 21:28:58 GMT -6
We tried something like this (got it from a college guy at some point), but it just turned into a lot of headache for us and we have since stopped doing it. I love the idea of it, but that kid who really isn't gonna buy-in to the weightroom, still isn't gonna buy in when you start punishing his "team" for him not buying in. Caused a lot of friction.
I could give you a layout of how we did it, but as I said, it kinda didn't do what we thought it would for us. Maybe your kids/program it would work, so I don't want to discourage you from doing it, but I stopped developing it when we decided other things we should focus on.
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Post by MICoach on Dec 2, 2021 7:38:58 GMT -6
What do they get for the points? If there's something they actually want as a reward then I could see that being good.
We did something similar when I was in high school actually, but it was just junior and senior "leaders" who had maybe 4-5 guys underneath them that they kept in touch with and helped get rides and stuff when needed...it was a sort of accountability system for the kids, and also some leadership training for the older kids.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 2, 2021 9:59:01 GMT -6
I have tried this in the past. I love the idea & its a way to try and make working out competitive & fun. It was a ton of work to keep up with and if you have multi sport athletes you have to decide how they count. For instance ... baseball guys start the program with football but then have their season & basketball guys come after their season & join in the middle. We found it more efficient to just schedule a couple of weight lifting competitions during spring to get guys to have something to look forward to.
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Post by war79 on Dec 2, 2021 10:59:39 GMT -6
cwaltsmith Can you explain the weight lifting competitions you do?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Dec 2, 2021 12:07:16 GMT -6
cwaltsmith Can you explain the weight lifting competitions you do? We get with other schools usually and take 2 kids from each weight class and all go to central site and have a max day... Some do Bench, Squat, & Power Clean... I dont like doing squat at these its too subjective... but have been to some that only do Bench & Clean... give our tee shirts as prizes ... charge a small fee per teaam to pay for prizes |
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Post by veerman on Dec 2, 2021 13:11:28 GMT -6
We are looking to do this as well. Have team pick 2 captains, and they draft their teams. At the end of each month we calculate pts earned for month. They can come from wearing proper attire, weights, agilities, competitions, fundraising (if doing one), and grades. This way it touches everything. A player may not be the most talented, but he may be super smart and sells a lot when doing fundraising. At the end of each month tally the pts and reward the winning team with something (food, swag, whatever you want), and before spring training do an overall winner.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Dec 3, 2021 6:23:58 GMT -6
Randy Jackson's books "Culture Defeats Strategy (1 and 2)" go into detail about how he uses battalions to foster competitiveness and team building.
We used battalions in the regular season for everything from mini-competitions at the end of practice, to assigning which group was responsible for field/locker room/water etc. on a weekly basis, to conditioning competitions and beyond.
It's a lot of work but the kids loved it.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Dec 3, 2021 7:45:36 GMT -6
Reward them with Schrute Bucks!
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Post by newhope on Dec 3, 2021 9:02:49 GMT -6
We've tried various forms of this over the years. Really not sure it was worth the effort. Lots of upkeep on the coach's end and I'm really not sure that the kids you're trying to get there are going to come because of it. We seem to have most of our kids (at least the ones who are going to actually play) show up. If you're doing this the entire offseason, you will also have to consider what you're doing with the track and baseball guys who can't show up. What about the guys who have wt training classes? Are they going to have to lift twice? That stuff gets in the way of what you're trying to do.
The best attraction we used to have was skill development after the weight training. Kids like to throw and stuff---but the state won't let us anymore.
If you are going to go down this road, the best I saw was Jerry Kill's. I'd tell you I'd send it to you but I have no idea where it is now---but I've still got it somewhere. Again, as good as it is, it is for college where they don't have to worry about some of those issues I mentioned.
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Post by brexol on Dec 23, 2021 9:07:48 GMT -6
Coaches, I'm looking for an off-season program where our "leaders" draft teams from the pool of our returning players. They earn / lose points based on workout attendance, grades, competitions, so on and so forth. Does someone have a written program that they would be willing to share that contains all the details? I'm not looking for general ideas; rather, I am looking for the detailed program. Thank you. Email me bjh213@gmail.com I can talk you through this. We do exactly what you’re asking about. |
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 23, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -6
I use battalions (usually 4) for most things during the season-groups for sled conditioning, practice competitions, added discipline decisions (battalion leaders),attendance, etc. but by far the best way in 40 years to get kids serious about the strength work is to get some of them real strong and it becomes more motivating to be strong. The strong kids almost always are starters and good players (small school), and in practice when I keep weak kids from much contact with the strong kids (safety), they start to get it. Plus, unless the AD makes proper weight training a serious part of every coaches practice, it's an uphill battle to get them in there. In my 40 years it has always been that way. We do have T-shirts, long sleeved shirts and ultimately hoodies for kids that hit certain strength levels. Just like all the other suggestions on this thread it works for a smallish group. Once again the main thing that works for the most kids, IMO, is getting some of them very strong and making a big deal about it and go from there.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 23, 2021 9:42:59 GMT -6
We do the teams part but only to help find kids rides either before school or at the end of after school weights.
And teams are based more on a mix of old guys and young guys and general area where they live.
We also do helmet stickers for 3 lifting seasons- winter, spring and summer. Must be at 85% to get stickers. Make the Big Iron club and get another sticker.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 23, 2021 11:07:12 GMT -6
I think it's a good took for a program that's turned a corner and started having some success. I wouldn't use it in a program that's struggling and/or has poor numbers. IME, it creates issues within those kinds of programs. The kids already struggle to come together as a team and that's harder when it feels forced.
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Post by buck42 on Dec 26, 2021 7:27:19 GMT -6
I have done this for the last 8 years or so as a head coach. It’s a ton of work, but I think it’s worth it.
It can be a moving target with how you adjust the teams - kids quit, kids move out, kids move in… etc
Best part is the draft - you get to see what your “leaders” think of some of their teammates…
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Post by realdawg on Dec 26, 2021 19:19:10 GMT -6
I agree with buck....its a huge work load with kids moving around. Also a part that sucks, is you sometimes get a kid or two who just isnt going to be on time isnt going to do right now matter what his "captain" or coach says. I refer to these kids as cant get right....also you can end up making a kid a captain of a team that just isnt a leader or just isnt vocal or just isnt interested in that type of role. When one of those two things happen it can make one of your teams suck and really be a pain and kind of demoralizing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 26, 2021 19:45:37 GMT -6
I think it's a good took for a program that's turned a corner and started having some success. I wouldn't use it in a program that's struggling and/or has poor numbers. IME, it creates issues within those kinds of programs. The kids already struggle to come together as a team and that's harder when it feels forced. I agree. Struggling programs are trying to learn how to success. I could easily seem "losing" to teammates to be a negative in the program. |
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 5, 2022 10:09:30 GMT -6
Friday workouts, we always played touch football games instead of agility. We got to see who had some athleticism, regardless of position. The linemen got to do "real" football instead of just blocking dummies, attendance was higher, and it was just a lot of fun. Each position coach was in charge of 1 team.
We had a draft, as you first described, where the 8 leaders picked teams. These were their Touch Teams for the entire off-season. We as coaches, in the draft, encouraged the captains to pick responsible kids who will show up.
These teams, on non-fridays, were used for attendance, motivation, accountability, etc. Kids practiced leadership, kids learned who they could count on, and the chitheads who never show had some peer pressure to attend workouts.
That was probably the most effective off-season team-setting thing we did.
Anything more than that, (grading, points, etc) turned into a real headache, and it put the pressure on the kids to be accountable to us coaches and not so much accountable to each other. The off-season is ling and tedious enough without creating more work for coaches and players alike.
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Post by option1 on Jan 5, 2022 12:05:23 GMT -6
If I were a kid, I wouldn't want to participate in that. Too much like extra homework. When I was that age I went into the weight room because coach told me that the girls liked it. But...whatever floats your boat. How is that? It's the equivalent of assembling teams for a pick up game and then showing up to do what you're supposed to be doing anyway. IMO, if being measured, recorded and rewarded for all to see is bothersome then I would question that individuals value to the team anyway. We want players that want to be challenged and want to compete, win or lose. To the O.P., my .02 from experience 1. Never observed negatives stemming from the competition. Constructive conflict is not a negative. 2. There seems to be more urgency when there are mini competitions going during the extended off season. We feed the team with the top points wings and or pizza once a month. If points are close we have a field day to decide. There are various prizes throughout the competition. 3. Too many ways to get points can be cumbersome. We have found that variety is good, but we change it up. We may give points for philanthropy 1 month and points for "praise-push" emails from teachers another. 4.We have had coaches draft their team. Either way a coach is assigned a group and they are responsible for keeping up with points. Points are updated by Monday morning. 5. Keep the points simple but meet with your staff to come up with an equation you all agree on. In other words your point totals can be 1 point per ___________ yet speed/strength advances may be 50% - grades 40% - attendance 10% 6. A simple Excel makes this really easy. 7. I don't believe we have ever ran anyone off but as has been said some will compete and some will not. That's ok! That is a conversation piece. We have no problem with our players having tangible facts to help find answers. It's hard to blame anyone else when the truth is staring you in the face. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 7, 2022 8:21:46 GMT -6
The #1 thing that will drive me off the grass permanently, is football stuff from January to July.
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