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Post by coachcalande on Feb 10, 2008 7:18:44 GMT -6
Hmmm, that sounds like clinic speak. Where did you hear the term? I know a coach that I used to work for would say "blocking the box" now and again but IM not quite sure what he was talking about actually.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 10, 2008 10:44:32 GMT -6
In what way did he use the term? It could probably be a few things.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 10, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -6
Steve,
How would your ex-boss count the defense if he faced a 6-2 with linebackers staked behind the 2's??
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 10, 2008 14:15:53 GMT -6
play to the right...
-----1----2
-4-3-2----1--3---4
---O-O-X-O-O-O
THE LEFT SIDE ARE THE MINUS AND THE RIGHT SIDE (PLAYSIDE) PLAYSIDE ARE PLUS.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 10, 2008 17:12:38 GMT -6
Steve,
How would he deal with a front stack? Would he have the center block 1 or 2 to the right??
Here is the reason I ask. From Bill Mountjoy.
1. TEACH BASE MAN BLOCKING # ASSIGNMENTS
A. CENTER BLOCKS #0
B. GUARDS BLOCK #1
C. TACKLES BLOCK #2
D. H & Y BLOCK #3
E. #4 ACCOUNTED FOR SEVERAL WAYS.
F. NOTE: IF “0” IS NOT IN THE “CENTER BOX” – CENTER DESIGNATES “0” AS THE FIRST DEFENDER TO THE SIDE HE IS BLOCKING.
G. IN A STACK – THE DLM GETS THE LOW #.
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 11, 2008 4:32:24 GMT -6
well, if its a gap blocked play like a trap or counter the center has 0 to -1 (man on , man away right) and if its a play like the power but no one is pulling then zone concepts are used, block 0 to +1...btw, he didnt use a zero. when there are stacks the dlinemen are the lower number.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 11, 2008 7:07:45 GMT -6
Coachcalande
I've seen a #system that utilizes 0-4. If it's a 4-man box than the BSLB starts with #0, FSDT #1 and the count begins...if it's a stack the downlineman gets the lower# (see 33 stack below)
Different fronts would look like this:
Split 4
------0----2--------
-E---T-----1----3---
4-3
--W---0---2----
-E--T----1----3-
3-4
----B---1-------
E-----0----2---3
3-3 Stack
--B----1-----3---4
--E----0-----2---
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 11, 2008 7:42:00 GMT -6
Whitemike52,
I like this. Is this an option team?? Where did you see this?
John
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 11, 2008 7:46:09 GMT -6
Steve,
That is a hard block if the center has to go for #1 playside. What did you think of that system??
John
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Post by ccscoach on Feb 11, 2008 8:19:53 GMT -6
------2----1
--3---1----0--2---3
---O-O-X-O-O-O
DLM draws low number in the stack and have the C and G stay on the down guy as long as possible. I don't know what play you are running but that is what we do when we zone block.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 11, 2008 8:48:32 GMT -6
ccscoach,
Lets say its a double dive play with FB to A gap and TB to C gap to TE side. Would this be the way you block it?
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Post by ccscoach on Feb 11, 2008 10:14:20 GMT -6
We don't run the double dive so don't know about what the mechanics of the play are. That being said its zone blocking. So what the back does depends on what the DT does ( guy we are reading) If he is head up we have a 3 way go and are looking to cut opposite the way he goes. If he slants to A gap then we will bang in the b gap. If he slants to B gap the play will cut back in the A gap. If he two gaps we will cut bang in the B gap because the 2 OLM should put the DT in the LB's lap. I heard Dick Anderson Penn State O-line talk about zone blocking belly to the FB off of toss action. and he said that the play cuts back most of the time. Nebraska during the Glory days of Osbourne never ran a true triple option according to there OL coach Milt Tenopir they instead ran a inside zone blocked fullback dive and outside zone blocked dive option. That way after getting pounded for four quarters, the OC could call a option play and get the QB and TB vs. a tired defense that is why you saw so many long runs in the 4th quarter of games to break the defenses back.
To answer your question to the best of my knowledge Bill I believe defines the "center box" as head up or either shoulder of the OC. This is done so you can get a combo on a backside shade on inside zone. On outside zone it doesn't matter, most just cut the backside shade with the BSOG. Your best bet is try and either call him or email him.
That being said we don't do it that way. What we do is have the BSOG cut his split to about 6 inches and have him wash the shade by the play so that the back can cut the play back to the backside B gap. This way we can marry our outside zone and inside zone plays together as far as scheme so we have one zone scheme and 2 sets of zone technique.
If you are interested in zoning a dive type play I would try and get the book Assembly Line by Milt Tenopir, it outlines the Nebraska Offense when he was OL coach there and how simple and efficient the offense was. It’s out of print but you can still find copies for a price.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Feb 11, 2008 13:30:50 GMT -6
ccscoach,
Thanks. I have the book so I'll go check it out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2008 22:19:00 GMT -6
Coachcalande I've seen a #system that utilizes 0-4. If it's a 4-man box than the BSLB starts with #0, FSDT #1 and the count begins...if it's a stack the downlineman gets the lower# (see 33 stack below) Different fronts would look like this: Split 4 ------0----2-------- -E---T-----1----3--- 4-3 --W---0---2---- -E--T----1----3- 3-4 ----B---1------- E-----0----2---3 3-3 Stack --B----1-----3---4 --E----0-----2--- whitemike I know you said you "saw" this and not that you run it, but i would just say that on the first diagram, I think the PSLB would probably be 1 and T 2...simply because if the G has to get #1, he needs to take the inside path incase the LB goes strong A. Just something from my freshmen year..we were a #'s type blocking rule power I team. |
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 12, 2008 4:23:30 GMT -6
Steve, That is a hard block if the center has to go for #1 playside. What did you think of that system?? John Well, itd be a combo block, the guard would combo with the center...I am an angle blocking guy, I like down blocks, double teams, folds and the like, coach is very successful with his system. I feel strongly that if you do lots of stemming you can melt the minds of the kids that dont get it quite as well. I also prefer rules, not counting. I mean I get it that "block 2 or 3" is a "rule" but personally, too many exceptions to the rules for me. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 12, 2008 13:46:15 GMT -6
Coachcalande I've seen a #system that utilizes 0-4. If it's a 4-man box than the BSLB starts with #0, FSDT #1 and the count begins...if it's a stack the downlineman gets the lower# (see 33 stack below) Different fronts would look like this: Split 4 ------0----2-------- -E---T-----1----3--- 4-3 --W---0---2---- -E--T----1----3- 3-4 ----B---1------- E-----0----2---3 3-3 Stack --B----1-----3---4 --E----0-----2--- whitemike I know you said you "saw" this and not that you run it, but i would just say that on the first diagram, I think the PSLB would probably be 1 and T 2...simply because if the G has to get #1, he needs to take the inside path incase the LB goes strong A. Just something from my freshmen year..we were a #'s type blocking rule power I team. I could see this coach...I meant to show the backer stacked behind DT- does that make a difference with your arguement? I can also see making the adjustment that Center steps playside A, working to Zero- taking a path to where zero is going. If LB comes downhill PS A gap on the snap, then he would be 0 in my eyes...it may just be the zone guy in me talking... i.e. Pre snap Split 4 ------0-----LB-------- -E---T-----1----3--- Post Snap ------0------------ -E---T-----LB-1---3--- Now center should engage threat in PSA while working to zero...Am I making sense? You are correct, I never played in it but I defnitely have seen this numbering system. |
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