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Post by option1 on Nov 8, 2021 9:42:31 GMT -6
Brief Background:
- Title 1 - 6A school (1700 students)
- Finishing second year as HC
- Won 1 game in 4 years
- Below average numbers (finished with 26)
- 18 Spring practices followed by a scrimmage in May
Our students get 6 days off in November and 12 days in December.
We start weights 3 days a week in January and add a once a week 7 on 7 league in February.
What does your "off-season" program look like? I would like to incorporate a similar structure I've seen at other High School and College programs. Obviously the concern would be over kill leading to burnout. However, I've always felt like the November and December months are wasted. At this particular school it has been tough to get engagement until mid-April and our staff is looking at ways to increase participation earlier, at the same time not necessarily making the time football related.
One idea we have bounced around was to meet 1 day a week in the morning. Our P.C. (pancakes and culture) meeting would be 15-20 minutes, have simple culture message/lesson and most importantly allow me to put eyes on everyone at once.
We are also looking into incorporating a point based off-season program that will give points for attendance at P.C. meetings, playing other sports, etc. Anyone willing to share what theirs looks like?
If you are at a poor school, how do you incetivize good results?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -6
1.Food, If it is truly depressed area like where I am at, FOOD.
2. Don’t set unreasonable standards.. 90 pct attendance? Act of insanity.
3. Lock doors to weight room at set time. You want kids who want to be coached. Hard to do when you have a-holes.
4. Don’t keep them unnecessarily. Break your workouts up. People and workouts.so it’s busy and nobody has time f- off.
And your staff needs to be in there. 45 minutes maybe. Send them the {censored} home.
5. If you can help it work with local coaches to set up 7v7, hog camps. And never a long day.and set up so kids who show get coached and reps.
6. If you are going to play certain people regardless, don’t punish people.
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Post by option1 on Nov 8, 2021 12:17:01 GMT -6
1.Food, If it is truly depressed area like where I am at, FOOD. 2. Don’t set unreasonable standards.. 90 pct attendance? Act of insanity. 3. Lock doors to weight room at set time. You want kids who want to be coached. Hard to do when you have a-holes. 4. Don’t keep them unnecessarily. Break your workouts up. People and workouts.so it’s busy and nobody has time f- off. And your staff needs to be in there. 45 minutes maybe. Send them the {censored} home. 5. If you can help it work with local coaches to set up 7v7, hog camps. And never a long day.and set up so kids who show get coached and reps. 6. If you are going to play certain people regardless, don’t punish people. 6 is an interesting perspective. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 12:49:33 GMT -6
1.Food, If it is truly depressed area like where I am at, FOOD. 2. Don’t set unreasonable standards.. 90 pct attendance? Act of insanity. 3. Lock doors to weight room at set time. You want kids who want to be coached. Hard to do when you have a-holes. 4. Don’t keep them unnecessarily. Break your workouts up. People and workouts.so it’s busy and nobody has time f- off. And your staff needs to be in there. 45 minutes maybe. Send them the {censored} home. 5. If you can help it work with local coaches to set up 7v7, hog camps. And never a long day.and set up so kids who show get coached and reps. 6. If you are going to play certain people regardless, don’t punish people. 6 is an interesting perspective. So you kick kids out and off if they don’t have dna. And usually kids with dna, not only do rules not apply, but they get all the benefits of those did it the right way. That’s the problem with scout team, why does anybody expect effort to be told wait your turn, till next year. Nobody believes that on either side. So who is a coach kidding. But scream team team team. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Nov 13, 2021 14:24:35 GMT -6
6 is an interesting perspective. So you kick kids out and off if they don’t have dna. And usually kids with dna, not only do rules not apply, but they get all the benefits of those did it the right way. That’s the problem with scout team, why does anybody expect effort to be told wait your turn, till next year. Nobody believes that on either side. So who is a coach kidding. But scream team team team. Maybe I’m misreading this. are you saying rules\standards don’t apply to the athletically gifted? standards are standards, dna doesn’t determine if you are doing what you are or aren’t supposed to do. And yes, we have sat kids or moved on from those with superior talent who refused to be good teammates or do the work Monday through Thursday. if you don’t have kids willing to buy into scout team that’s a coaching issue. You have to coach those guys, reward them with PT on JV and publicly acknowledge them, take care of them and if someone balls out on that unit, give them a shot in the game. if you are honest with kids and can use examples, they’ll sell out and give you what they can. ive read a few of your other posts and sometimes think you’re a 3rd year letterman disciple parody account but fear you really are serious |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 13, 2021 15:16:21 GMT -6
So you kick kids out and off if they don’t have dna. And usually kids with dna, not only do rules not apply, but they get all the benefits of those did it the right way. That’s the problem with scout team, why does anybody expect effort to be told wait your turn, till next year. Nobody believes that on either side. So who is a coach kidding. But scream team team team. Maybe I’m misreading this. are you saying rules\standards don’t apply to the athletically gifted? standards are standards, dna doesn’t determine if you are doing what you are or aren’t supposed to do. And yes, we have sat kids or moved on from those with superior talent who refused to be good teammates or do the work Monday through Thursday. if you don’t have kids willing to buy into scout team that’s a coaching issue. You have to coach those guys, reward them with PT on JV and publicly acknowledge them, take care of them and if someone balls out on that unit, give them a shot in the game. if you are honest with kids and can use examples, they’ll sell out and give you what they can. ive read a few of your other posts and sometimes think you’re a 3rd year letterman disciple parody account but fear you really are serious Pithy (or grad1862, or chcox or any of his other screen names) has the worst command of English of any poster on the board. To top it off, he generally uses a mobile device, which leads to even worse grammar (I think we all know how autocorrect and predictive text can wreck a composition). That said, in trying to translate him here, I believe what he is trying to say is that if come September, you are going to "play the best 11" and members of that best 11 are going to be kids who disappear from November-August, then don't bother any type of punishments for not attending offseason. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 13, 2021 17:25:27 GMT -6
Maybe I’m misreading this. are you saying rules\standards don’t apply to the athletically gifted? standards are standards, dna doesn’t determine if you are doing what you are or aren’t supposed to do. And yes, we have sat kids or moved on from those with superior talent who refused to be good teammates or do the work Monday through Thursday. if you don’t have kids willing to buy into scout team that’s a coaching issue. You have to coach those guys, reward them with PT on JV and publicly acknowledge them, take care of them and if someone balls out on that unit, give them a shot in the game. if you are honest with kids and can use examples, they’ll sell out and give you what they can. ive read a few of your other posts and sometimes think you’re a 3rd year letterman disciple parody account but fear you really are serious Pithy (or grad1862, or chcox or any of his other screen names) has the worst command of English of any poster on the board. To top it off, he generally uses a mobile device, which leads to even worse grammar (I think we all know how autocorrect and predictive text can wreck a composition). That said, in trying to translate him here, I believe what he is trying to say is that if come September, you are going to "play the best 11" and members of that best 11 are going to be kids who disappear from November-August, then don't bother any type of punishments for not attending offseason. He may intentionally be typing like that to try to make it hard to tie him to other user accounts. Pretty smart if true. Just makes it hard to understand him and is irritating to read. I was ok with pithy despite this until the last few days, i think i have him caught in a trap on something with Cover 3 run fits, i think he realizes it and is hiding and ducking trying to avoid having to admit it. Got tired of his games. |
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Post by realdawg on Nov 14, 2021 7:41:07 GMT -6
Why would a grown man use multiple accounts on here? That seems kind of childish and almost psychotic....
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 14, 2021 7:56:47 GMT -6
Why would a grown man use multiple accounts on here? That seems kind of childish and almost psychotic.... I don't think pithy simultaneously does it.. perhaps he forgot the log ins, or had his account closed for some reason at some time. No clue. Another poster- who shall rename nameless (but who was the greatest and most knowledgeable poster of all time, just ask him) used multiple accounts simultaneously to support his own posts... which absolutely seems like a broken mental status. To the original point here, that is one of the hardest thresholds to overcome in developing a football program. It is extremely difficult to take a program from the cellar to a place where program strength and depth is high enough that if kids DON'T participate in off season, then they won't play because they won't be good enough. That is the $64,000 question. How do you go from a place where cleaning 180lbs or squatting 240 lbs as an upperclassmen is "strong" to a place where if you can't clean 250 at 170lbs, you probably won't be explosive enough to play? If you can't squat 480 as an OL or DL, you probably won't be strong enough to play? Essentially, how do I get the program to a place where off-season is the key to being able to make it on MY team, let alone beat the opponents. option1 - to incentivize good results, have you ever tried taking the kids in one or two at a time (small numbers) and show them film of them getting physically dominated by the opponents, and how / why off season is important? Members of unsuccessful programs that results are "pre ordained" or that there is a magic bullet. Delayed gratification is missing in their lives. They honestly do not see a correlation between preparation, hard work, and success. This goes for non athletic endeavors as well. |
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Post by blb on Nov 14, 2021 8:32:03 GMT -6
Why would a grown man use multiple accounts on here? That seems kind of childish and almost psychotic.... Have you read any of his posts?!?! |
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Post by fantom on Nov 14, 2021 15:01:01 GMT -6
Brief Background: - Title 1 - 6A school (1700 students) - Finishing second year as HC - Won 1 game in 4 years - Below average numbers (finished with 26) - 18 Spring practices followed by a scrimmage in May Our students get 6 days off in November and 12 days in December.
We start weights 3 days a week in January and add a once a week 7 on 7 league in February.What does your "off-season" program look like? I would like to incorporate a similar structure I've seen at other High School and College programs. Obviously the concern would be over kill leading to burnout. However, I've always felt like the November and December months are wasted. At this particular school it has been tough to get engagement until mid-April and our staff is looking at ways to increase participation earlier, at the same time not necessarily making the time football related. One idea we have bounced around was to meet 1 day a week in the morning. Our P.C. (pancakes and culture) meeting would be 15-20 minutes, have simple culture message/lesson and most importantly allow me to put eyes on everyone at once. We are also looking into incorporating a point based off-season program that will give points for attendance at P.C. meetings, playing other sports, etc. Anyone willing to share what theirs looks like? If you are at a poor school, how do you incetivize good results? OK, I don't think that you gain anything by having organized team activities in Nov. and Dec. Kids and coaches alike need time to breathe. Even as a grown man and a professional educator and coach the idea of early morning "culture" meetings do not sound very motivating to me. Maybe you can use 5085's idea o bringing in a few kids at a time to show them on film why the weight room is important. Otherwise I think that, however well-meaning (And I do understand this impulse) the idea of "using this time productively" is, it may be counterproductive. |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 14, 2021 16:25:18 GMT -6
School enrollment is about 1000 we have had 115 kids 9-12 to start each season for the last 4 years. 10-12 finished with 65 each of the last 3 years. We are not a traditional power- but have made huge strides in the last 5 years. 4 play-off appearances and lost a tie-breaker 5 years ago.
We are not allowed spring football and with 26 kids finishing a season I don't really see a huge benefit of doing team vs. building individual skill. We do open field sessions and have most of our coaches there...we have had between 15 and 60 kids at a session. We don't coach during the school year-- we give them a to do list of things to work on and make sure no one gets hurt. In the summer we coach them hard twice a week for 45 minutes and then let them have fun for 30 minutes (7 on 7 with 4 teams linemen play too). Sometimes they play razzel dazzel or ultimate football.
OK so here is what the months focus is on.
November- inventory equipment, complete paperwork, get post season awards arranged, conduct meetings with players and coaches...have a banquet and promote multi-sport athletes. (we aren't allowed to coach kids until June 1st)
And most importantly get kids into the weight room! We lift 4 days a week and do a 5th day for specific skills areas of emphasis.
December- we have a community based fund raiser- bowling tournament- FUN not financially beneficial- and monitor the weight room. Start going to wrestling, hockey and BB events.
January- AFCA and continue with Dec. activities.
February- Glazier Clinic, monitor weight room and start getting kids signed up for spring sports and spring lifting sessions- winter Fund-raiser. in door golf. cold as balls here.
March- Local meetings with colleges or HS end of season tournaments for winter sports and start of baseball and track. Get our open field/open gym schedule published.
April- attend a spring football practice of local college and set-up summer 7 on 7's and team camps
May- make sure they are passing all of their classes and that they are checking summer classes and schedules including the summer lifting class for credit.
June- we have usually done 3-4 7 on 7's and most of the college camps in our area are in June, major fund raiser community service project.
July- our own team camp and conduct the middle school and youth camp and enjoy the heat.
August- 1st week is dead time- Family Time... conduct youth programs combine and get our kids assigned to youth teams. Hell week. Season Starts
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Post by flballcoach on Dec 7, 2021 14:54:10 GMT -6
I am at a similar type school. Food helps but also selling the dream of going to and being able to play or have a chance to play in college. No matter the skill level if a kid is dedicated and has grades there will be a school he can go to and play at. This really seems to help get people together. I agree with locking the doors though at a certain time and not allow them in unless they have a note from a teacher (just like you would do during the season at practice) I think at schools like ours the weight room is where the culture is built and established.
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