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Post by tog on Nov 1, 2021 17:01:48 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 1, 2021 17:14:51 GMT -6
In Illinois the clock doesn't run until your up 40 and not until the 2nd half. Unless both coaches agree to it earlier. We did agree to start it in the 2nd quarter one game as the team we were playing only had 14 kids available to play so we took it easy.
Another time we were up 42-0 with about 4 mins left in 1st quarter (12 min qrtrs). The other coach didn't ask for it to run, so we just took out starters.
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 1, 2021 17:46:17 GMT -6
I posted mine in that thread, but we played Poly and they were smashing us, 60-0 in the first half we finally got to a running clock late in the second quarter only when we yelled across the field to ask the other HC if we could and he said yes, even though the ref lied and said he declined and it was in fact only the ref who didn't want the running clock.
Everywhere I've been it's a running clock once it's more than a 35 point lead and In the second half. If it's the first half coaches have to agree to it.
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 1, 2021 17:46:50 GMT -6
3 seasons ago (2019)... we had running clock with 3 minutes left in the 1st quarter. We dressed 17 players and we were playing a top 20 team in the country.
It was ugly... it was fast... I was at the bar by 9:00pm after the game, the bus ride, collecting gear, and uploading film.
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Post by canesfan on Nov 1, 2021 18:26:45 GMT -6
In 2015 we scored 41 points in the first quarter of the game with some one play drives, 2 pick sixes, etc. At the end of the first quarter we started heading to the locker room. The officials had to remind us that it was just the end of the 1st quarter. Thankful we were able to keep the score down the rest of the way. No sense in humiliating anyone any worse than you have to.
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Post by realdawg on Nov 2, 2021 7:16:41 GMT -6
In NC the rule is 42 points after half. Unless coaches mutually agree. A couple years ago we were up 35-0 with 4 min left in 1st Qtr. Clock ran from then on our. Halftime was only 10 min.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 2, 2021 7:34:53 GMT -6
I will also throw in this- I think the "mercy rule" has greatly changed the landscape of HS football here.
I look back at my HS career and early coaching career and a "blowout" was something like the 35-0 Homecoming game we won our Sr year. My Jr year we won our last game 63-6 and it was front page of the Bloomington newspaper newsworthy. When I started coaching, if you were up 20pts it was time to start subbing.
Now, it seems as if half the games are running clock/40+ points games. We just had a playoff game in Illinois end 94-72. I've actually coached teams that just flat quit on you hoping to give up 40 and get home faster. I definitely feel it has changed football. And I'm not sure it's for the better.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 2, 2021 7:36:26 GMT -6
In Illinois the clock doesn't run until your up 40 and not until the 2nd half. Unless both coaches agree to it earlier. We did agree to start it in the 2nd quarter one game as the team we were playing only had 14 kids available to play so we took it easy. Another time we were up 42-0 with about 4 mins left in 1st quarter (12 min qrtrs). The other coach didn't ask for it to run, so we just took out starters. One year we were playing a loaded team and I was still coaching in IL at the time. We were down 37-0 at the end of the first quarter and then in the second quarter, there were several moments where the timekeeper "forgot" to stop the clock on dead balls. Unfortunately, I don't have too many examples of putting a running clock on someone early, but at the school I currently coach at, they put it to someone 56-0 after just one quarter. That was a couple years before I joined the staff.
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 2, 2021 8:14:59 GMT -6
I will point out that the current Iowa rule is that the clock starts to run whenever the winning team gets a 35 point margin, but then it returns to regular timing if the losing team gets the margin to less than 35.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 2, 2021 8:25:25 GMT -6
Have been on both sides of terrible blowouts and neither side is a fun one to be on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 9:35:57 GMT -6
In TN the running clock won’t start until the second half and a team has to be down by 35 points. If the losing team cuts it to less than 35, the clock stops again.
I’ve coached in several games where the running clock started with the 3rd quarter because, as I said in the other thread, I worked for a HC who actually wanted to get the clock running on us as soon as possible and would get really mad any time the clock stopped for an incomplete pass in the first half.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 2, 2021 10:07:52 GMT -6
We were playing an 8-man game with 9 guys. The opposing team was ranked third in the state at the time and had us down 42-7 with a few minutes left in the first quarter. First play of the second quarter, they go up 49-7 and one of our guys goes down with a high ankle sprain and we're not going to get running clock until half.So, I called a timeout and walked across the field to the opposing sideline (I knew their HC well).
Me:"Hey Coach Smith, whatcha say we get a running clock going?" Coach Smith: "Yeah, good call. I don't think either of us have a 6-man playbook on hand."
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Post by mc140 on Nov 2, 2021 10:15:03 GMT -6
We were up 28-0 at half one year week 9. The opposing coach asked for a running clock in the second half. Then with about 3 minutes to go, he goes no huddle and used all 3 timeouts to get a score in and lose 34-6.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 2, 2021 11:52:54 GMT -6
We were up 28-0 at half one year week 9. The opposing coach asked for a running clock in the second half. Then with about 3 minutes to go, he goes no huddle and used all 3 timeouts to get a score in and lose 34-6.
These situations are just maddening. You're trying to do the right thing and they are just prigs. We were once up 28-0 early in the 1st quarter - and our offense hadn't even gotten onto the field! KOR for TD then pick 6 for a TD, KOR for TD then pick 6 for a TD. Stating the obvious, we were very good but they were absolutely wretched. We pulled our entire varsity team and put the JV team in. Even the JV team was scoring on them so we put JV benchwarmers in. Opposing team started trying to hurt the little kids, whooping it up - even the coaches were clowning our kids. Our HC told the official to tell them to cool it or we'd put our guys back in. They didn't, we did and it was a bloodbath. I hated that game.
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Post by fantom on Nov 2, 2021 21:14:34 GMT -6
One year we were really good and played a team that was bad but had a D.1 RB. Hw was supposed to have had an ankle injury but started. In the first half they just used him as a decoy and threw him a couple of bubbles while we went up by a lot. We started the 2nd half with a running clock and played our 2nds and JVs while they started feeding their back the ball. He ran wild (but not enough to be a threat) against our JVs and statistically it looked like he played well. He get named the local paper's Player of the Week.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 3, 2021 7:53:23 GMT -6
32-0 8mins left in the 2Q. The opposing coach (college teammate of mine) bangs a timeout and waives me to the middle of the field. We made a gentlemen's agreement to run the clock despite the 35pt lead in 2nd half rule. It was hotter than h@ll so I wasn't mad. That was the quickest game we ever played- won 56-0. Legitimately had JV in the entire 2nd half on both O and D...and defense scored 2x during the running clock. We ran 28 offensive plays in the game.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 3, 2021 15:42:42 GMT -6
Not exactly on topic but...
We were down 14-0 in a playoff game after running 2 offensive plays. The other team ran 0. Threw a pick 6 second play of the game ensuing kickoff we fumbled it and they scooped and scored. Not kidding like 30 seconds were off the clock. Final was like 68-30.
We were also beating a team like real bad, 50s-0 at half. Was a boys home that had just started football that season. Was an interesting team to say the least... Had freshman in 4th qtr like playing out of position. Said to one of our other assistants "If we break a run I'm jumping on the field and either tackling the kid or doing something." Next play...BOOM kid rips one up the middle on a blast play break away, can see him grabbing me on the film as I tried to run on the field. Refs threw a flag thank God.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Nov 3, 2021 19:50:03 GMT -6
4 running clock games, 3 for us, one against us. We had a running clock in our last 3 games with the clock starting, on average, with 3 minutes left before half and won those games with 144 PF, 0 PA. Our defense scored 70 of those points over the 3 games. Enter first round of playoffs, go from ground and pound to trying to run 3x1 and empty sets after being single wing season. Torrential storm hits, other team was built in a Soviet Olympic weigh training facility and out muscled us. Running clock 8 min left in 3rd. Can’t make this $@“! Up!
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 4, 2021 6:41:46 GMT -6
I believe in Michigan running clock cannot start until the second half, and you have to have a 35 point lead. I recently learned that we have a "super running clock" rule if a team is up by 50 where the clock doesn't stop for anything aside from a timeout.
New goal.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 4, 2021 10:13:18 GMT -6
Another 8-man game.
We were down 40-0 at half, playing with 10 guys. The opposing team subs in their depth and we do the same (i.e. subbing in the one guy who didn't play the first half.) Their JV depth was weak and we have an all-conference TB that they just can't bring down. We shut them down, score once and now the running clock is done. They sub their varsity back in, score and get the running clock going. We get the ball back, score again and shut down the clock. We went back and forth like this for the rest of the game and lose 64-30.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 4, 2021 11:51:13 GMT -6
In Illinois the running clock doesn't stop after it starts. It makes the jag bags who leave their varsity in to score on your freshmen and then whoop and holler and let off train whistles and fireworks (yes, it actually happened to me in a playoff game) a little easier to stomach. Or the a-holes who onside kick on your third stringers after scoring in the 4th when you were up 42-0 at halftime and subbed out your studs (again, another playoff game).
Not that stuff angered me or anything...
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 4, 2021 12:04:00 GMT -6
Back in 2008, I coached under a guy who basically went off "gut feeling" for when to go for two and when to kick PATs. Sometimes we went for two, sometimes we kicked and there honestly wasn't any real rhyme or reason as to why. Anyway, we were playing a team we were better than and were up 39-6. Not sure how exactly we got to 39 due to the reason listed, but anyway we did and then scored to make it 45-6. We kicked the PAT and missed it...so no running clock.
I figured it would still be a quick rest of the game as we were both run-first Wing T teams. Well, they come out and proceeded to pass literally every play the rest of the game, we never did score again, and it was the longest second half I've ever been a part of.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Nov 4, 2021 12:17:52 GMT -6
We were scouting an opponent deadlier this year: watching the film we thought the film was just messes up- the plays did end a bit early. The team we were playing ran no more than 3 plays of any kind in a row offense/defense. They turned the ball over in 3 or less and the other team scored in 3 or less. It was 56-0 at half and the team ahead had only run 10 offensive plays, running clock in 1st quarter with 3 min. Left. Team ahead ran the 2nd half kick back for a TD. They ran FB dive every play after that and attempted FG’s instead of punting.
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Post by raider92 on Nov 4, 2021 17:13:36 GMT -6
Back in 2008, I coached under a guy who basically went off "gut feeling" for when to go for two and when to kick PATs. Sometimes we went for two, sometimes we kicked and there honestly wasn't any real rhyme or reason as to why. Anyway, we were playing a team we were better than and were up 39-6. Not sure how exactly we got to 39 due to the reason listed, but anyway we did and then scored to make it 45-6. We kicked the PAT and missed it...so no running clock. I figured it would still be a quick rest of the game as we were both run-first Wing T teams. Well, they come out and proceeded to pass literally every play the rest of the game, we never did score again, and it was the longest second half I've ever been a part of. I've been guilty of this. I suck at math and didnt realize kicking the PAT would leave us 1 point short of the running clock. What made it worse was we had gone for 2 every other time, without thinking about it I just thought the classy thing to do was kick it. We put in the JV guys and the opponent kept their starters in. Our young guys couldnt stop them at all on D but ran thru them like a hot knife thru butter on offense. Ended up being a shootout, 69 to 42 or something ridiculous and ended up being the longest game I've ever coached. Should've just left the starters in and finished them off but we catch all kinds of BS from bleeding heart teachers and moms whenever we win by more than 21...
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 5, 2021 5:02:51 GMT -6
but we catch all kinds of BS from bleeding heart teachers and moms whenever we win by more than 21... This. That story of the team winning by over 100 is insane. We catch flack, at least on the JV level from parents if we don't start subbing in up 2 scores which is absurd. We don't sub in if a game is that close until the last series or two in the 4th. I did once start subbing in the first quarter because we jumped out to an easy 28-0 lead. Probably should've went for the running clock but there was nothing to gain other than getting out a little quicker and it's nice to get kids some quality PT. We didn't score again because I called the dogs off early. This team was so bad. We ended up winning 28-0 and their coaches who we know pretty well were appreciative.
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Post by raider92 on Nov 5, 2021 6:08:20 GMT -6
but we catch all kinds of BS from bleeding heart teachers and moms whenever we win by more than 21... This. That story of the team winning by over 100 is insane. We catch flack, at least on the JV level from parents if we don't start subbing in up 2 scores which is absurd. We don't sub in if a game is that close until the last series or two in the 4th. I did once start subbing in the first quarter because we jumped out to an easy 28-0 lead. Probably should've went for the running clock but there was nothing to gain other than getting out a little quicker and it's nice to get kids some quality PT. We didn't score again because I called the dogs off early. This team was so bad. We ended up winning 28-0 and their coaches who we know pretty well were appreciative. It drives me nuts. We won a hard fought rivalry game one year, which was also a crazy shootout, and after the game I get an email from a parent pissed that his senior son only played special teams on senior day. His son is an awful defensive back. We had won by 14 after punching in a score with around 5 minutes left in the 4th to make it a two score game and in his mind that meant we should've put the backups out there. The opposing QB threw for like 400 yards against our pretty good starters at defensive back. How long do you think it would've taken for them to cut it back to a 1 score game? You can never reason with those people. He would've been the first to crucify me if we blew a 14 point lead to the crosstown rival
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 5, 2021 9:54:58 GMT -6
I wasn't the HC, but was involved on the winning side of a 85-8 game that had no running clock. The school was about half our size. But it was a special set of circumstances.
It was a fill in game on the schedule b/c we had one of those national TV single shot games the year before. The team we were playing were coached by our HC's old college coach and mentor. He was trying to get the program established at a newly built school.
Our HC asked if they wanted to go to a running clock in the second half and his reply was, "Hades no, we came here to play football not go home early".
I've also been on the bottom side of 75-0 and they were throwing fade bombs with a minute to go.
Both felt about the same; there wasn't a whole lot that could have been done to alter the inevitable.
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