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Post by cfoott on Oct 24, 2021 9:30:59 GMT -6
Good Morning, I am wondering if anyone has any experience with having their varsity players earn the logo for their helmets. This would be separate for helmet awards (the small decals). I am wondering what sort of offseason criteria you have had your players do? Things I have found are, 80% of offseason workouts (Weightlifting, practice, 7 on 7's) and Fundraising goals. When a player does earn their helmet decal, how did you present it? Thank you in advance.
Foott
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 24, 2021 16:29:51 GMT -6
We always figured that if you made the varsity squad, you earned your logo. JV and Frosh don't wear the logo.
If you're a JV and played in one varsity game, you earned it.
If you were varsity and moved down to JV, you still wear the logo.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 24, 2021 17:02:55 GMT -6
What happens if they don't earn it? You have kids on the sideline without a logo? What happens when people ask about it? "Jimmy didn't sell enough frozen cookie dough and missed a 7 on 7 so he doesn't get one" Does it create division on the team between the Logos and the Logoless? I think it's pretty stupid myself to make a kid earn something like a helmet sticker. If they show up to the mandatory practices and make it through camp isn't that enough for them to earn the logo?
Now I think St Ed's in Ohio has some kid of tradition where there is a different stripe or something they put on a helmet after a player does something, you have to really look to notice. Something like that I could see as an incentive.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 24, 2021 19:16:56 GMT -6
Good Morning, I am wondering if anyone has any experience with having their varsity players earn the logo for their helmets. This would be separate for helmet awards (the small decals). I am wondering what sort of offseason criteria you have had your players do? Things I have found are, 80% of offseason workouts (Weightlifting, practice, 7 on 7's) and Fundraising goals. When a player does earn their helmet decal, how did you present it? Thank you in advance. Foott We did a points system where the kids earned points for playing other sports, getting on the honor roll, showing up to weights, camps, etc. To get your stickers you had to achieve 66% of the available points. If you didn't get that % you could make the points up by running 1 40yd dash for every point you were short. After the first year, I don't think we ever went into the 1st game without having a kid have stickers.
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Post by newhope on Oct 26, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -6
A coach I know had them earn their name on the back of the jerseys based largely on offseason attendance.
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Post by Coach Risch on Oct 26, 2021 9:25:32 GMT -6
I was an assistant on a team several year ago on a mid sized school in Kansas, a new HC came in and wanted to do something for kids to be held accountable for summer attendance (weights and football activities). So you had to meet a certain percentage of summer activities to get a helmet decal for the season. It got most kids there in the summer. However there was a super athletic kid that decided to come out 2 weeks before football started. He was a stud...but no decals and of course neither did about 10% of the team. The AD let it ride for the season, but told the HC after the season that it is not a great look, there was a lot of grumbling in the stands that we looked like the Little Giants that could not afford to have all of our kids with decals. The AD knew the reason, but still said it was not a great look. So we did not do that again, I think the next year he got an award decal with a barbell on it for those who made it to a certain percentage in the summer.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 26, 2021 9:30:10 GMT -6
I was an assistant on a team several year ago on a mid sized school in Kansas, a new HC came in and wanted to do something for kids to be held accountable for summer attendance (weights and football activities). So you had to meet a certain percentage of summer activities to get a helmet decal for the season. It got most kids there in the summer. However there was a super athletic kid that decided to come out 2 weeks before football started. He was a stud...but no decals and of course neither did about 10% of the team. The AD let it ride for the season, but told the HC after the season that it is not a great look, there was a lot of grumbling in the stands that we looked like the Little Giants that could not afford to have all of our kids with decals. The AD knew the reason, but still said it was not a great look. So we did not do that again, I think the next year he got an award decal with a barbell on it for those who made it to a certain percentage in the summer. I understand the point your AD was making, but it's a much worse look to have kids not workout and be able to play. And it has a much worse effect on the program. Doing stuff for optics is getting so old in education and extracurricular.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2021 10:33:54 GMT -6
My opinion on this has changed over the years, mainly because it's a battle I've lost on a few occasions. Ten years ago, I would've stated "absolutely, make 'em earn the logo and also make off-season participation a part of the lettering process." But, I got my butt handed to me with these types of policies and it didn't improve the program.
Currently we honor the kids' off-season participation in the off-season. Those that make 80% of lifting sessions and/or participate in another sport get a t-shirt. Those that make 100% get a nice sweatshirt. Those are dished out right before the first day of practice in August.
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Post by 53 on Oct 26, 2021 10:34:34 GMT -6
I'd have more respect for the AD, if he said he was just tired of having to address it with parents.
Find something else
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Post by blb on Oct 26, 2021 11:03:16 GMT -6
With numbers-participation in Football dropping almost everywhere I don't understand why coaches would do more things to drive kids away.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2021 11:35:09 GMT -6
Here's where this can go south on you;
Johnny is a senior who busts hump for you at practice and will be a two-way starter for you. But, he only makes 50% of the workouts so he doesn't have a logo on his helmet for the year. He's surrounded by guys who have their logo which is a reward for them but a punishment for him.
Think about this outside of a parent/administration conflict and think about how this is going to affect Johnny's performance for you during the season. There's no incentive for him to work harder as he doesn't have another off-season to earn his logo. He just has a season where he's basically separated from the rest of the team because they have logos and he doesn't. Chances are his performance is going to drop come game day. So, it's not only not serving a purpose, it's potentially hurting the whole team.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 26, 2021 14:40:22 GMT -6
With numbers-participation in Football dropping almost everywhere I don't understand why coaches would do more things to drive kids away. Then why not just show up on the first day of practice?
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Post by blb on Oct 26, 2021 15:07:11 GMT -6
With numbers-participation in Football dropping almost everywhere I don't understand why coaches would do more things to drive kids away. Then why not just show up on the first day of practice? Yes, why not? First day of Football Practice used to be a time of great excitement and anticipation. Now it's just another day at school where you've already been all summer (players AND coaches). And three more months to go.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 26, 2021 18:53:24 GMT -6
Then why not just show up on the first day of practice? Yes, why not? First day of Football Practice used to be a time of great excitement and anticipation. Now it's just another day at school where you've already been all summer (players AND coaches). And three more months to go. Giant professional football players also used to be 6'2 and 270lbs. They did offseason conditioning by selling Buicks.
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Post by buck42 on Oct 27, 2021 6:25:02 GMT -6
Varsity guys get the logo. The entire varsity gets names on their HOME jerseys if in TOTAL they attend 90% of all off season lifts/workouts/practices/Team Camp etc.
If it’s 95% they get their names on the back of both home and away.
The standard before I arrived at my new school was it was for each individual- I didn’t like some with and some without, so we went for the entire varsity.
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Post by coachstephen13 on Oct 27, 2021 7:05:28 GMT -6
We use summer conditioning as a way to determine who get their equipment first. They are allowed to miss 3 days during the summer. We have built in extra days where they can earn days incase they have to miss an extra day or two. But we start with the 12th graders who made the days get their equipment first. Then 11th and work down to the 9th graders. Then we start over with the seniors who didn't get the days and work back down.
I will say we are blessed. The coach before me kept up on the up keep of the equipment and I'm trying to do my best as well. So we don't have players get equipment that is beat up or out dated.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2021 7:36:10 GMT -6
You can reward kids who meet your arbitrary Off-Season standards (T-shirts, first choice of numbers-equipment, etc.) without publicly humiliating those that don't (no helmet decal, name not on jersey, etc.).
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Post by veerwego on Oct 27, 2021 10:10:57 GMT -6
I wanted to do something similar, but didn't want to look like rubes having however many kids with no decals. We also changed helmet decals. We went to a FSU style spear on the sides. All varsity got this. But you had to earn the school logo on the back, ala Oregon's O. So that worked pretty good. We are not a very traditional football school and so football was not very important here. Not sure how much motivation it was, but I think it has potential, particularly as the program builds. The spears were white and blue and the logo was Red (on a white helmet) so it really stood out.
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 27, 2021 10:51:46 GMT -6
You can reward kids who meet your arbitrary Off-Season standards (T-shirts, first choice of numbers-equipment, etc.) without publicly humiliating those that don't (no helmet decal, name not on jersey, etc.). This. At one school our colors were blue and bright green. Think Seattle Seahawks current color scheme. Kids got basic UA shirts in their spirit pack, but if they met whatever arbitrary goals we had for them (I don't remember what they were at this point as it was years ago) that got and "upgraded" spirit pack shirt that had our logo in the highlighter green instead of white or blue depending on shirt color. The kids were pretty into it, and nobody was embarrassed.
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Post by freezeoption on Nov 6, 2021 19:23:56 GMT -6
I had them earn their stripes. Stripe down middle of helmet. I had them have to make 30 workouts during summer. Our state has put a cutoff on workouts down to 25 now.
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Post by fantom on Nov 7, 2021 10:08:21 GMT -6
I had them earn their stripes. Stripe down middle of helmet. I had them have to make 30 workouts during summer. Our state has put a cutoff on workouts down to 25 now. 30 workouts out of how many?
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