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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2021 12:45:38 GMT -6
For those of you with better understanding of the recruitment process, and college acceptance I have a hypothetical for you. Said student athlete has a choice of two high schools, which one do you think would give him a greater opportunity to play ball at the next level? And yes I know this will raise the ire of many here in light of poaching, or kids transferring, please note nobody has done such things.
For the sake of discussion lets assume the player in question is a good hard working kid, he is an underclassmen who is about 6'1" 230, but between his work in the weight room and mom and dad's size, looks like he will probably graduate at about 6'3" 255 or so.
School A- A big new public school. The team is loaded with talent, and has been placed in a league too small for them, so they ill run roughshod over their opponent for the next few years, allowing their players to rack up stats, wins, and dominating performances. Their coach though doesn't really teach much, and just lets the inmates run the asylum (kids on the phone during the game, getting in fights on the field type stuff). Moreover, they don't really develop much in the way of technique and talent, so though they win by a large margin the film they put out has sloppy technique.
The school is middle of the road academically, said student athlete will earn a 4.1 GPA and finish top 5% of his graduating class here as most of the kids dont work hard in the classroom; so in the village of the blind a decent effort gets high relative marks.
School B- A small established private school that has hit a rough patch. This team was a force a decade ago but over the years has lost a lot of their kids. They will struggle to win games, because they are simply out gunned by everyone they face, and the cupboard looks bare for the future. But the coaching staff is top notch, they teach quality technique and have a history of developing talent when it was there. They have over a dozen former players currently in D1, with some others in the league. The coaches have a lot of connections, and work hard to cultivate them. Their kids are well known for being college ready when they move on to the next level.
Academically this school has higher standards, the students athlete will finish with a 3.8 GPA with will put him just outside the top 10% of his graduating class, as there are many stars here loading up on APs.
So which one allows for greater opportunities to play at the next level (and why)? Additionally, do you think having a better GPA at a weaker academic school would be a benefit? Many colleges ignore SATs now, so in the name of equity would top 5% at a weaker academic school shine more brightly? I appreciate any thoughts.
PS-I apologize if there is a better sub-board for this, if so please move it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 15:26:59 GMT -6
Put the kid in the best academic situation possible. What will give him the most opportunity in life, football pushed aside.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 19, 2021 17:56:52 GMT -6
I am a little confused. Very little of what you typed out has anything to do with the kids opportunity to play ball for a college or university. I don't think the academic info you presented really would matter much at all. Both scenarios seem to fall in the same type of academic band, so everything is going to be based on his ability.
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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2021 18:05:30 GMT -6
I am a little confused. Very little of what you typed out has anything to do with the kids opportunity to play ball for a college or university. I don't think the academic info you presented really would matter much at all. Both scenarios seem to fall in the same type of academic band, so everything is going to be based on his ability. Sorry about that, i guess my question is if one team plays in a bigger league and wins more often but the kids develop less in skill and technical ability. Would that provide more of an opportunity than a kid who develops more, but is on a losing team who plays significantly worse opposition |
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Post by carookie on Oct 19, 2021 18:14:06 GMT -6
Put the kid in the best academic situation possible. What will give him the most opportunity in life, football pushed aside. But does that mean the more academically rigorous HS, or the HS that allows him to finish higher in his class standings? With so many colleges now turning against standardized tests, it looks as if relative class rank and overall GPA hold a greater importance in getting into colleges. Would it not then behoove a student to go to a lower performing HS, where there is less competition among students in regards to GPA and class rank? At least as far as getting into a college (just in case they are borderline as a football player and the academics swing the choice)? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 18:53:50 GMT -6
Put the kid in the best academic situation possible. What will give him the most opportunity in life, football pushed aside. But does that mean the more academically rigorous HS, or the HS that allows him to finish higher in his class standings? With so many colleges now turning against standardized tests, it looks as if relative class rank and overall GPA hold a greater importance in getting into colleges. Would it not then behoove a student to go to a lower performing HS, where there is less competition among students in regards to GPA and class rank? At least as far as getting into a college (just in case they are borderline as a football player and the academics swing the choice)? Academically rigorous. Put him in the most challenging academic setting possible. If he has ability on the football field, they will find him. I have a niece and nephew who are in elite private schools, kids in that school have a different standing academically with colleges than the best students in the one I teach in. And its not close. Different HS, private and public carry different weight with colleges. The school matters. The football side of things in irrelevant when talking about college as it should be. But if you want discuss the football, those college coaches dont care about what your fundamentals are, or whether your player mastered it. It is just ability thing. If he is borderline on the football, the academics matter all that much more, as does, not so coincidentally IME, his standing in the weight room. You think a kid playing in program where the players run the show is a positive for the kids? (And the academics are so so) What does that say about the parents. And you think if two players are close to borderline, the kid in the not so academic and athletic program is getting the nod over private/elite high school kid? We had/have a kid who is D-1 talent. Everything else including the school, his domestic life, is below average…One particuliar power 5 school among many was on the fence…and got off. Why domestic disturbance call that was public. He was borderline talent at that level. |
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Post by **** on Oct 19, 2021 21:50:41 GMT -6
I don’t care either way as a college coach. If the kid is good enough to play at the next level he’ll get recruited.
Techniques etc being taught in HS might not be same as in college anyways.
Do whatever is best for the kid.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 20, 2021 5:10:34 GMT -6
Put the kid in the best academic situation possible. What will give him the most opportunity in life, football pushed aside. But does that mean the more academically rigorous HS, or the HS that allows him to finish higher in his class standings? With so many colleges now turning against standardized tests, it looks as if relative class rank and overall GPA hold a greater importance in getting into colleges. Would it not then behoove a student to go to a lower performing HS, where there is less competition among students in regards to GPA and class rank? At least as far as getting into a college (just in case they are borderline as a football player and the academics swing the choice)? I would suggest that both of those scenarios are going to fall in roughly the same academic band, and quite frankly if you are describing a situation where without football intervening the student would not likely be admitted into the particular college, then the student would likely benefit from the more rigorous HS environment when he does get admitted into that college |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 20, 2021 5:26:51 GMT -6
What matters most for football is his size, speed, athleticism, and film. I guess the farther down the college levels you get academics could come into play for some D3 schools, but in my experience if a school thinks he can play for them and he's academically eligible by NCAA then that's all they care about. Of course there are schools that want high academic kids like Ivy League, Stanford, Service Academies, etc... but most places if you can get NCAA cleared you're good.
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Post by newhope on Oct 20, 2021 7:42:15 GMT -6
I am a little confused. Very little of what you typed out has anything to do with the kids opportunity to play ball for a college or university. I don't think the academic info you presented really would matter much at all. Both scenarios seem to fall in the same type of academic band, so everything is going to be based on his ability. Sorry about that, i guess my question is if one team plays in a bigger league and wins more often but the kids develop less in skill and technical ability. Would that provide more of an opportunity than a kid who develops more, but is on a losing team who plays significantly worse opposition Nobody gives a rip about the stats they pile up in the good program. I have NEVER had a coach ask me about stats. Film, on the other hand don't lie. The competition thing would be the only thing that really mattered here. Playing weak competition every game makes the film less valuable, which can possibly hurt the recruiting, unless he is completely dominating that competition. |
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Post by tog on Oct 20, 2021 7:52:19 GMT -6
I am a little confused. Very little of what you typed out has anything to do with the kids opportunity to play ball for a college or university. I don't think the academic info you presented really would matter much at all. Both scenarios seem to fall in the same type of academic band, so everything is going to be based on his ability. Sorry about that, i guess my question is if one team plays in a bigger league and wins more often but the kids develop less in skill and technical ability. Would that provide more of an opportunity than a kid who develops more, but is on a losing team who plays significantly worse opposition they will be found no matter what |
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