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Post by head4050 on Oct 17, 2021 15:34:15 GMT -6
Just curious how many coaches have eliminated scout team, and just work on themselves. For those who have done this are you finding success?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 17, 2021 17:44:30 GMT -6
Just curious how many coaches have eliminated scout team, and just work on themselves. For those who have done this are you finding success? I don’t understand this process. What does “just work on themselves” mean in this context? |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 17, 2021 17:49:56 GMT -6
I have eliminated the rest of the world and just chosen to work on myself.
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Post by CS on Oct 17, 2021 18:10:02 GMT -6
Just curious how many coaches have eliminated scout team, and just work on themselves. For those who have done this are you finding success? We basically did for offense when I was flexbone unless you count having bodies on that side with bags. Defense absolutely not. Offensively we were very successful in year 1 of running the offense we averaged 30 ppg |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 17, 2021 18:50:22 GMT -6
I have eliminated the rest of the world and just chosen to work on myself. hahahahaha |
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 17, 2021 19:09:20 GMT -6
Just curious how many coaches have eliminated scout team, and just work on themselves. For those who have done this are you finding success? I don’t understand this process. What does “just work on themselves” mean in this context? 1's vs 1's Our O vs Our D Stuff like that i'm assuming |
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Post by coachsticks on Oct 17, 2021 19:17:00 GMT -6
Wrote this back in 2019:
I haven't run a full-team segment in my last three years as a coordinator. I gave up trying to "get a look" and instead choose to segment practice.
Inside Run on cans. Backup LB's service as Q/T/F/important OL (think pullers)
Formation Rec/Perimeter Run: starting offensive skill. No OL/DL.
7 on 7/Pattern Matching: starting offensive skill.
We run a much more crisp defensive practice this way.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 17, 2021 19:59:41 GMT -6
I don’t understand this process. What does “just work on themselves” mean in this context? 1's vs 1's Our O vs Our D Stuff like that i'm assuming #firstworldproblems |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 17, 2021 20:04:21 GMT -6
I have eliminated the rest of the world and just chosen to work on myself. This sums up how I feel about our scout team right now  |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 18, 2021 7:50:01 GMT -6
Maybe not the answer you're looking for as we did still do 11 on 11 team sessions, but back in 2005 I was at a big school that ran a double TE inverted bone offense. The spread hadn't completely taken over the game in 2005 but this was still a pretty unique look. So, we didn't really do scout team per se other than to watch the other team's goal line look. We had our version of scout team start in a 4 man front, then move to a five man front, then move to a six man front as the session went on, because that kind of replicated what most of our opponents did.
To clarify, the reason I didn't consider this "scout team" was if our upcoming opponent based out of a 4-3 Cover 2, we didn't bother having our version of a scout team line up in this look, because we knew they would never defend our base offense in that look.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 18, 2021 8:10:04 GMT -6
How do you practice without a scout team?
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Post by head4050 on Oct 18, 2021 8:31:59 GMT -6
I should have explained it a little better. I have always struggled with getting a good scout O/D look. I have coached 30+ years and have won 2 state championships. But the scout looks at times for the defense building a false since of accomplishment, and when it is 1's on 1's everybody is taking breaks because "it's not our stuff". But when we have have a bye week....it is us on us running our stuff and we seem to get better. Just like in pre-season. I have heard of coaches that just focus on there stuff not so much the other team beyond formation recognition and gimmicks. Just wondering if any out there follow this mind set.
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Post by M4 on Oct 18, 2021 9:32:53 GMT -6
when we do scout O vs 1st D it's basically a walk thru recognition period for us, against formations, seeing any weird backfield action, motions, blocking schemes
a couple things we do:
have the C snap a towel, QB mimes hand offs, RB starts with the ball in his hand to avoid any exchange issues, runs hit quicker and no exchange issues
On passes, we have a QB who the DL "rushes" but I usually stand behind the QB and throw the down field routes, now both sides get work
we go around 60%, its a thinking / assignment period for us
When we go O vs Scout D, its essentially glorified run vs bags, we try and give the D clues on what plays are coming so they react faster but we focus on correcting assignment vs technique in this period
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Post by golfer418 on Oct 18, 2021 12:19:18 GMT -6
I worked at a high school the last couple years and we are 2 platoon. Defensively, we never used a scout offense for any 11 on 11 session. We were a stack team and schedule for Monday Tuesday was fastball with against our offense 4/5 plays different situation everyday. Defensively, we did tackle circuit, indy, the run pod (defense served defense), We would see the most common inside runs. We didn't use a ball. The offensive line held shields and the ball carriers ran the play. The tempo was full speed to contact then we thud. The reason we did this was to make the correct fits with all of our calls from base and our other fronts and blitzes.(15 min period) we could get about 60 reps working 3 strings. Everyone was involved except corners. They had more indy. We would move to pass pod from there. Same concept (dline more indy). We were split field coverage so we worked each side of the defensive secondary separately. Run the concept to the field without a ball and then to boundary without ball. Was checking the db and lbs made the right calls and covered up correctly. The ball skills were worked on indy drills. As a team we never went all 11 at a time against a scout offense. We would finish practice with blitz on barrel drill 2 defense facing each other mirroring calls. This was 6A ball in Alabama. We finished the season in the top 20 in the state, I think we finished 17th. We were as high as 5th in the state defensively. We didn't have any D1 players, just good high school kids. I think 1 kid went to a D3 school.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 18, 2021 14:12:03 GMT -6
I worked at a high school the last couple years and we are 2 platoon. Defensively, we never used a scout offense for any 11 on 11 session. We were a stack team and schedule for Monday Tuesday was fastball with against our offense 4/5 plays different situation everyday. Defensively, we did tackle circuit, indy, the run pod (defense served defense), We would see the most common inside runs. We didn't use a ball. The offensive line held shields and the ball carriers ran the play. The tempo was full speed to contact then we thud. The reason we did this was to make the correct fits with all of our calls from base and our other fronts and blitzes.(15 min period) we could get about 60 reps working 3 strings. Everyone was involved except corners. They had more indy. We would move to pass pod from there. Same concept (dline more indy). We were split field coverage so we worked each side of the defensive secondary separately. Run the concept to the field without a ball and then to boundary without ball. Was checking the db and lbs made the right calls and covered up correctly. The ball skills were worked on indy drills. As a team we never went all 11 at a time against a scout offense. We would finish practice with blitz on barrel drill 2 defense facing each other mirroring calls. This was 6A ball in Alabama. We finished the season in the top 20 in the state, I think we finished 17th. We were as high as 5th in the state defensively. We didn't have any D1 players, just good high school kids. I think 1 kid went to a D3 school. Good stuff |
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Post by head4050 on Oct 18, 2021 16:38:51 GMT -6
I worked at a high school the last couple years and we are 2 platoon. Defensively, we never used a scout offense for any 11 on 11 session. We were a stack team and schedule for Monday Tuesday was fastball with against our offense 4/5 plays different situation everyday. Defensively, we did tackle circuit, indy, the run pod (defense served defense), We would see the most common inside runs. We didn't use a ball. The offensive line held shields and the ball carriers ran the play. The tempo was full speed to contact then we thud. The reason we did this was to make the correct fits with all of our calls from base and our other fronts and blitzes.(15 min period) we could get about 60 reps working 3 strings. Everyone was involved except corners. They had more indy. We would move to pass pod from there. Same concept (dline more indy). We were split field coverage so we worked each side of the defensive secondary separately. Run the concept to the field without a ball and then to boundary without ball. Was checking the db and lbs made the right calls and covered up correctly. The ball skills were worked on indy drills. As a team we never went all 11 at a time against a scout offense. We would finish practice with blitz on barrel drill 2 defense facing each other mirroring calls. This was 6A ball in Alabama. We finished the season in the top 20 in the state, I think we finished 17th. We were as high as 5th in the state defensively. We didn't have any D1 players, just good high school kids. I think 1 kid went to a D3 school. Yes great insight! |
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Post by agap on Oct 18, 2021 21:38:48 GMT -6
Wrote this back in 2019: I haven't run a full-team segment in my last three years as a coordinator. I gave up trying to "get a look" and instead choose to segment practice. Inside Run on cans. Backup LB's service as Q/T/F/important OL (think pullers) Formation Rec/Perimeter Run: starting offensive skill. No OL/DL. 7 on 7/Pattern Matching: starting offensive skill. We run a much more crisp defensive practice this way. What did you do during Inside Run on cans if the opponent didn't pull? Did you not have any OL? What did the defensive line do during all of this? |
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Post by carookie on Oct 18, 2021 21:51:53 GMT -6
I worked at a high school the last couple years and we are 2 platoon. Defensively, we never used a scout offense for any 11 on 11 session. We were a stack team and schedule for Monday Tuesday was fastball with against our offense 4/5 plays different situation everyday. Defensively, we did tackle circuit, indy, the run pod (defense served defense), We would see the most common inside runs. We didn't use a ball. The offensive line held shields and the ball carriers ran the play. The tempo was full speed to contact then we thud. The reason we did this was to make the correct fits with all of our calls from base and our other fronts and blitzes.(15 min period) we could get about 60 reps working 3 strings. Everyone was involved except corners. They had more indy. We would move to pass pod from there. Same concept (dline more indy). We were split field coverage so we worked each side of the defensive secondary separately. Run the concept to the field without a ball and then to boundary without ball. Was checking the db and lbs made the right calls and covered up correctly. The ball skills were worked on indy drills. As a team we never went all 11 at a time against a scout offense. We would finish practice with blitz on barrel drill 2 defense facing each other mirroring calls. This was 6A ball in Alabama. We finished the season in the top 20 in the state, I think we finished 17th. We were as high as 5th in the state defensively. We didn't have any D1 players, just good high school kids. I think 1 kid went to a D3 school. This is something I feel strongly about, for certain situations it is far more efficient to increase indi & small group time. Moreover, I think it better allows us to actually teach players (as opposed to just teaching plays). |
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Post by blb on Oct 19, 2021 9:33:17 GMT -6
Wrote this back in 2019: I haven't run a full-team segment in my last three years as a coordinator. I gave up trying to "get a look" and instead choose to segment practice. Inside Run on cans. Backup LB's service as Q/T/F/important OL (think pullers) Formation Rec/Perimeter Run: starting offensive skill. No OL/DL. 7 on 7/Pattern Matching: starting offensive skill. We run a much more crisp defensive practice this way. Your plan is sound and make sense. I am curious though - why no Half Line? |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 19, 2021 12:02:11 GMT -6
Scout O was a lot better when those guys did it all year, weren't shuffled around much, and were taught how to read cards.
I teach how to read cards by using them with our own offense during camp in slower teaching periods. Always use our lingo / lettering on the cards. And if they run our chit, just say "go run inside zone from rip"
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Post by coachsticks on Oct 20, 2021 17:28:04 GMT -6
Wrote this back in 2019: I haven't run a full-team segment in my last three years as a coordinator. I gave up trying to "get a look" and instead choose to segment practice. Inside Run on cans. Backup LB's service as Q/T/F/important OL (think pullers) Formation Rec/Perimeter Run: starting offensive skill. No OL/DL. 7 on 7/Pattern Matching: starting offensive skill. We run a much more crisp defensive practice this way. What did you do during Inside Run on cans if the opponent didn't pull? Did you not have any OL? What did the defensive line do during all of this? Backup LB’s would still serve as the scout OL, just in strategic positions based on run scheme. Example: B/S of Inside Zone. A backup LB would serve as the BST and try to climb to our backer. What we got from a BDSD Gap Exchange-perspective was better in this setting than anything I did in my previous ten years of coaching. We ran a 4-2-5 my final two years coordinating a defense (no longer involved in coaching). 5 tech’s came with me (LB coach) for almost everything. DT’s had extra individual during Inside Run. |
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Post by coachsticks on Oct 20, 2021 17:40:59 GMT -6
Wrote this back in 2019: I haven't run a full-team segment in my last three years as a coordinator. I gave up trying to "get a look" and instead choose to segment practice. Inside Run on cans. Backup LB's service as Q/T/F/important OL (think pullers) Formation Rec/Perimeter Run: starting offensive skill. No OL/DL. 7 on 7/Pattern Matching: starting offensive skill. We run a much more crisp defensive practice this way. Your plan is sound and make sense. I am curious though - why no Half Line? Liked the backers to see and understand the “full picture.” As an example, we would start every segment simulating Inside Run both “flow-to” and “flow-away.”. This would encompass four unique “pictures,” as I would slant both “to” and “away” from the back. Inside backers would have to adjust alignment and message to 5-tech (pop or chase) based on the call. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 18:55:42 GMT -6
Scout team is easier to do, get looks from when the kids see their buddies get promoted. It might be for just a practice, it might to start a game, but it works.
And I wouldnt have bought into if i hadnt seen it. We have to do it out of necessity. But it works.
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Post by fadepattern on Oct 25, 2021 18:35:39 GMT -6
We are a 2 platoon football team.
Mon.
1-15 min period vs our JV defense that we align in the opponents defense.
1-15 min. period our offense vs our defense (all pass and screens). Base defense (no blitz)
Tues.
1-15 period vs. JV defense that we align in our opponents defense
1-15 min 9v7 our run game vs. our defense
1-15 min period 7v7 our pass game vs our defense
Wed.
1-15 min period vs our JV defense that we align in our opponents defense
1-15 min Pass Under Pressure (PUP) offense pass pro vs. our defense pressures
1-15 min 11 v 11 period our offense vs our defense.
We are an RPO offense and the scout periods allow us to manipulate the defense so that our schemes make sense to the our kids. All the "good vs good" period are like Friday night reps for our kids with the caveat being we stress staying up and never tackle to the ground.
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