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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2021 5:29:20 GMT -6
How much film do you watch?
How much film should be expected of various coaches? (HC, OC/DC, position assistants)
I show up on hudl between 8-10 hours a week but i love watching film. I am our DC. Will watch all opponents films we have, our game and all of our practices. I also do the defensive stats. When I watch our game and practices I will watch all 11 defenders every play so that’s what takes so long. The school I was at before I was also the offensive line coach so the number was a couple hours higher. I think people could be efficient with less but I think it definitely takes time to do it right.
For other coaches I think the answer is they should watch as much film as it takes to get the job done. That changes by position. Our head coach is an offensive guy and does our special teams and he is usually at 3-4 hours and our OC is doing 4-6 hours a week and does a really good job.
Now our assistants are the ones who got me thinking. We have two guys that routinely only watch 15-20 minutes. Two guys that around an hour. And two guys that are at 2-4 hours. I don’t think there anyway you can get the work done watching 20 minutes or less of film a week.
So that’s what got me wondering what others are doing to prepare film wise.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 10, 2021 7:10:08 GMT -6
When you are watching "...all 11 defenders every play..." what are you looking for?
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2021 7:38:37 GMT -6
When you are watching "...all 11 defenders every play..." what are you looking for? Checking to see if they aligned right, properly executed their assignment and played fast. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 8:52:04 GMT -6
As a staff,
4 days of practice film.
4-6 games of next weeks opponent
Our game.
Individually:
I grade my group in practice, games
Every coach has to do games grades.
By the time we meet sat I will have watched what we have at least 3 times on that weeks opp. Just raw watch. Then I will spend a couple of hours making of clips my own and opponents, good and bad.
I would normally have to do input which might take some time. But this year, it’s done before we go home on Friday night
I would say it is 10-15 hrs on average. I watch it all the time like a kid in candy store. And I am shallow bore.
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 10, 2021 16:14:05 GMT -6
If you are the DC and those guys are defensive coaches, perhaps giving them some sort of an assignment would help.. IE: grade your position this week...Tell me which coverage you would recommend when tey go trips etc
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 10, 2021 16:14:22 GMT -6
@defcord
@defcord
We expect our kids to watch at least 30 minutes of film/week. We have a coach that checks and sends out a reminder of those who haven't on Wednesday. If a kid hasn't watch 30 minutes, he will be suspended from the game.
We don't have an expectation for coaches, but at our HC's previous stop, it was an issue (well of one) used to put a coach on notice.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2021 17:02:30 GMT -6
@defcord @defcord We expect our kids to watch at least 30 minutes of film/week. We have a coach that checks and sends out a reminder of those who haven't on Wednesday. If a kid hasn't watch 30 minutes, he will be suspended from the game. We don't have an expectation for coaches, but at our HC's previous stop, it was an issue (well of one) used to put a coach on notice. I check my kids. I ask them for 10 minutes because when they watch notes and it pauses hudl doesn’t count that. The time that shows is only actual run time, I am pretty sure. I don’t get on our defensive coaches as long as they have notes in for the game. I would like them to grade practice but if it’s not program wide o don’t feel like it’s fair. How long do you think an average coach on your staff watches film in a week? |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2021 17:04:28 GMT -6
If you are the DC and those guys are defensive coaches, perhaps giving them some sort of an assignment would help.. IE: grade your position this week...Tell me which coverage you would recommend when tey go trips etc This is good advice. I ask them to do notes from the game. They do a good job on this. I should probably do some more tasks like you suggest. I worry something won’t get done if I give a task. That’s probably a flaw I should work on on my end. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 10, 2021 18:28:39 GMT -6
I'll be honest, I was not a big film watcher. I watched more as a DC than as a HC/OC, but I wouldn't say it topped more than 3 hours or more a week. As a HC/OC I usually watched it with the staff on Saturday and again with the kids on Monday, but other than that I didn't watch it unless I wanted to reference something in particular. I mean, the team on film didn't change from the first couple times I saw them. I think a lot of people just aimlessly watch film because it's expected of them.
The kids? We made it available to them, but if they didn't watch, I didn't get too up in arms. If you're doing your job as a coach, they shouldn't have to as you should be able to present to them what they're going to see and be able to prepare them for it IMO.
I'm sure most will disagree with me, but it's what we did.
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Post by CS on Oct 11, 2021 2:56:28 GMT -6
Depends on the dynamic of the staff honestly. I think you’re right that 20 min for a coach is not enough at all, but an hour if you don’t have any major responsibilities is fine.
Coordinators should routinely watch much more film than position coaches
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2021 4:09:56 GMT -6
I'll be honest, I was not a big film watcher. I watched more as a DC than as a HC/OC, but I wouldn't say it topped more than 3 hours or more a week. As a HC/OC I usually watched it with the staff on Saturday and again with the kids on Monday, but other than that I didn't watch it unless I wanted to reference something in particular. I mean, the team on film didn't change from the first couple times I saw them. I think a lot of people just aimlessly watch film because it's expected of them. The kids? We made it available to them, but if they didn't watch, I didn't get too up in arms. If you're doing your job as a coach, they shouldn't have to as you should be able to present to them what they're going to see and be able to prepare them for it IMO. I'm sure most will disagree with me, but it's what we did. I don’t disagree with much of this. If there are not specific notes in there for kids to read I don’t care if they watch it at all because most of them will watch it like football on tv, which isn’t doing much to prepare or correct. When they watch it with specific feedback though I think it does as much or more than correcting it on the field because they get it from a different perspective. I have kids all the time who watch it and say something like “oh that’s not what I thought happened” or “wow I thought I was flying on that play.” |
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 11, 2021 8:06:00 GMT -6
If you want me to log in to Hudl and press play, just so it looks like I'm watching more film, ok sure. I can get my film work done for the week in 3 hours as a OC, but if you want it to look like 6 sure, I'll just hit play.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 11, 2021 8:31:56 GMT -6
@defcord @defcord We expect our kids to watch at least 30 minutes of film/week. We have a coach that checks and sends out a reminder of those who haven't on Wednesday. If a kid hasn't watch 30 minutes, he will be suspended from the game. We don't have an expectation for coaches, but at our HC's previous stop, it was an issue (well of one) used to put a coach on notice. I check my kids. I ask them for 10 minutes because when they watch notes and it pauses hudl doesn’t count that. The time that shows is only actual run time, I am pretty sure. I don’t get on our defensive coaches as long as they have notes in for the game. I would like them to grade practice but if it’s not program wide o don’t feel like it’s fair. How long do you think an average coach on your staff watches film in a week? Currently on the defensive side, my guess would be DC-> 8-10 hours ACs -> 2-10 hours On a typical Sunday meeting, we watch together and discuss about 2 hours worth. We have a couple film junkies, but also partly how things are set up/responsibilities coaches have. We have one coach that is the 'Opposition DC' each week; so he not only has to watch their offense for prep but he and HC break down their defense and create scripts and video playlists. The HC will create a daily skeleton film that coaches and players are expected to watch before practice to know what is coming. There is someone who does the same for the offense to show the defense. We typically go good vs good in show teams, so if the kids and coaches do it right they should be able to replicate the opposition each day. We also have one coach that is responsible for self scouting and reporting the defensive calls for each week and the previous 3 games. A couple of coaches work together to break down ST and create play lists for that. Of course the DC does all the scripts for each period, so he watches a bunch. Our OC watches at least an hour everyday; he is also the OL coach and grades the inside periods on top of scout prep. The HC only teaches 1 class, so watches a bunch to prep for simulating the other team. For the most part there really isn't any coach that doesn't at least do the cursory film prep each week. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 11, 2021 8:38:40 GMT -6
This is my first year as DC and I'm hitting right at 5 hours a week. Not attempting to watch that much, that's just how it works out. Previous to this year, I was anywhere between 2 and 3 hours a week. It would be a tad more, but we have four coaches for a roster of about 55 and our managers are primarily game day help, so we literally don't have anyone to film practice for us.
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Post by RunThePistol on Oct 11, 2021 11:09:51 GMT -6
I'm the wide receivers coach and I probably average 10-12 a week. But that's counting game day prep, game day corrections, and practice corrections.
At my previous school I was run game coordinator and averaged 18-20 but I was correcting the OL, RB, and QB mesh. That again counts scouting, practice, and corrections.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2021 11:24:41 GMT -6
I check my kids. I ask them for 10 minutes because when they watch notes and it pauses hudl doesn’t count that. The time that shows is only actual run time, I am pretty sure. I don’t get on our defensive coaches as long as they have notes in for the game. I would like them to grade practice but if it’s not program wide o don’t feel like it’s fair. How long do you think an average coach on your staff watches film in a week? Currently on the defensive side, my guess would be DC-> 8-10 hours ACs -> 2-10 hours On a typical Sunday meeting, we watch together and discuss about 2 hours worth. We have a couple film junkies, but also partly how things are set up/responsibilities coaches have. We have one coach that is the 'Opposition DC' each week; so he not only has to watch their offense for prep but he and HC break down their defense and create scripts and video playlists. The HC will create a daily skeleton film that coaches and players are expected to watch before practice to know what is coming. There is someone who does the same for the offense to show the defense. We typically go good vs good in show teams, so if the kids and coaches do it right they should be able to replicate the opposition each day. We also have one coach that is responsible for self scouting and reporting the defensive calls for each week and the previous 3 games. A couple of coaches work together to break down ST and create play lists for that. Of course the DC does all the scripts for each period, so he watches a bunch. Our OC watches at least an hour everyday; he is also the OL coach and grades the inside periods on top of scout prep. The HC only teaches 1 class, so watches a bunch to prep for simulating the other team. For the most part there really isn't any coach that doesn't at least do the cursory film prep each week. Ha now your just bragging! Just kidding…that sounds like a machine. I’m jealous! |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2021 11:29:46 GMT -6
If you want me to log in to Hudl and press play, just so it looks like I'm watching more film, ok sure. I can get my film work done for the week in 3 hours as a OC, but if you want it to look like 6 sure, I'll just hit play. I understand the point. Three hours of film is quite a bit more than three hours of work time. |
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 11, 2021 12:35:54 GMT -6
I wonder if the type of O or D you run affects this question. I think I recall hearing that Paul Johnson or some other triple option guru would watch relatively little opponent film because they weren't going to drastically change their base stuff.
i go back and forth on how my time can be best spent preparing our kids each week from an offensive perspective. Is it seeing every single way a D has lined up to every formation, or is it better spent focusing on our base stuff against their base stuff?
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 11, 2021 13:08:46 GMT -6
Related to the original post, I'd be interested to hear WHEN you guys watch most of your film. I generally do the following:
Saturday Morning: watch our game from the previous night and share X amount of clips that I will watch with the kids later that morning.
Saturday afternoon - Sunday afternoon: scouting next week's opponent. Try to get through all their film, draw up scout cards, look at tendencies, so as the season goes on, this becomes progressively longer.
Monday before practice: introduce game plan to kids, show a selection of opponent film
Tuesday Evening: watch and comment on Tuesday's practice...share comments
Wednesday Evening: watch and comment on Wednesday's practice...share comments
Thursday Evening: watch a bit more opponent film on my own
This usually puts me somewhere between 5 and 8 hours for the week. Personally, I'm not sure I could fit in much more than that without putting an undue strain on my teaching responsibilities/family life.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 11, 2021 13:42:05 GMT -6
Currently on the defensive side, my guess would be DC-> 8-10 hours ACs -> 2-10 hours On a typical Sunday meeting, we watch together and discuss about 2 hours worth. We have a couple film junkies, but also partly how things are set up/responsibilities coaches have. We have one coach that is the 'Opposition DC' each week; so he not only has to watch their offense for prep but he and HC break down their defense and create scripts and video playlists. The HC will create a daily skeleton film that coaches and players are expected to watch before practice to know what is coming. There is someone who does the same for the offense to show the defense. We typically go good vs good in show teams, so if the kids and coaches do it right they should be able to replicate the opposition each day. We also have one coach that is responsible for self scouting and reporting the defensive calls for each week and the previous 3 games. A couple of coaches work together to break down ST and create play lists for that. Of course the DC does all the scripts for each period, so he watches a bunch. Our OC watches at least an hour everyday; he is also the OL coach and grades the inside periods on top of scout prep. The HC only teaches 1 class, so watches a bunch to prep for simulating the other team. For the most part there really isn't any coach that doesn't at least do the cursory film prep each week. Ha now your just bragging! Just kidding…that sounds like a machine. I’m jealous! just lucky to have a large staff to be able to spread work around, plus we have several former DCs.... so you know how those guys can be |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 11, 2021 13:51:25 GMT -6
Related to the original post, I'd be interested to hear WHEN you guys watch most of your film. I generally do the following: Saturday Morning: watch our game from the previous night and share X amount of clips that I will watch with the kids later that morning. Saturday afternoon - Sunday afternoon: scouting next week's opponent. Try to get through all their film, draw up scout cards, look at tendencies, so as the season goes on, this becomes progressively longer. Monday before practice: introduce game plan to kids, show a selection of opponent film Tuesday Evening: watch and comment on Tuesday's practice...share comments Wednesday Evening: watch and comment on Wednesday's practice...share comments Thursday Evening: watch a bit more opponent film on my own This usually puts me somewhere between 5 and 8 hours for the week. Personally, I'm not sure I could fit in much more than that without putting an undue strain on my teaching responsibilities/family life. End of game until Sunday meeting 1:30: grade game film, enter data on next game assigned, start compiling game plan, etc... Sunday 2:30 - 5:00ish: watch as a staff discuss what we see, would to implement, run a few break downs from the data, start making scripts, prepare install/walk through video... again we have a large staff to spread stuff around Monday AM 7:40-8:00 video walk through introduction, just coordinators and select coaches... notes are given to kids in terms not just what to watch for the opponent, but also how to simulate what they will show to the other side of the ball (acting show team) Monday 3:45-4:05 pregame film, clean up, install, Whole team Tuesday 3:45-4:05 film position group Thursday 7:30-8:00 AM final walk through which usually ISN'T film And as I mentioned there are video scripts for each days periods to review created mainly by the HC but also the DC |
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Post by realdawg on Oct 11, 2021 14:12:30 GMT -6
HC here who calls O but is a former DC. After game I usually go through our film. ODK it. And chart O stats. And just watch it. Next morning. Our film. D stats. Then our film O for corrections. I spend a little time on our film D. But usually my D coaches handle that. Just can’t get the DC out of me. Then I start watching our opponent. I’ll look at last couple films quickly. Just trying to get an idea of what they do. Then I look at all the films I’ve got trying to find formations and looks similar to ours. Watch a little of the opposing O. Maybe help out DC out with some tagging formations and plays. Sunday morning up before church. Start watching to solidify our O game plan. And anything defensively that has kinda stood out or peaks my interest. 2-3 hours during Sunday meeting. I get up at 5 each morning and make our O and D clips to watch for the day in film. Usually 10-15 clips on each side. After practice I may watch some film early in the week just to see if there is anything I missed or can pick up that I haven’t already.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 11, 2021 15:50:26 GMT -6
I'm a HC and DB coach. I have logged in (according to Hudl) 4h24m in the the last 7days. Here is the rest of my staff:
OC: 7h27m (Film Junkie)
DC: 2h17m
OL: 3h04m
DL: 1h28m
This was:
-breaking down 4 opponent films
-watching some of our own film from last 2 games
-Quick meetings before/after practice watching practice clips
-Our last game data entry
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Post by oldman61 on Oct 11, 2021 18:04:39 GMT -6
Related to the original post, I'd be interested to hear WHEN you guys watch most of your film. I generally do the following: Saturday Morning: watch our game from the previous night and share X amount of clips that I will watch with the kids later that morning. Saturday afternoon - Sunday afternoon: scouting next week's opponent. Try to get through all their film, draw up scout cards, look at tendencies, so as the season goes on, this becomes progressively longer. Monday before practice: introduce game plan to kids, show a selection of opponent film Tuesday Evening: watch and comment on Tuesday's practice...share comments Wednesday Evening: watch and comment on Wednesday's practice...share comments Thursday Evening: watch a bit more opponent film on my own This usually puts me somewhere between 5 and 8 hours for the week. Personally, I'm not sure I could fit in much more than that without putting an undue strain on my teaching responsibilities/family life. Friday night I really can’t fall asleep until I have at least watched a good portion of the film. Saturday morning: watching the film with Defense, giving corrections to players and talking through situational football Sunday: Breaking down opponent film and getting my portion of the game plan done Sunday night/Monday getting game plan put up for kids Every weekday night: practice film Before school/during school watching cut ups to be more ready for that days situations, be it 3rd down/base downs/2-minute etc etc Day prior evening/before school/on prep make sure scout cards for next practice are done/put together correctly and scripted. Watching film vs similar defensive structure to make sure scouts are going to right place Friday start to insert some basics into hudl for next opponent |
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