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Oct 6, 2021 22:27:50 GMT -6
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Post by SetHut on Oct 6, 2021 22:27:50 GMT -6
We're a Wing-T team. When we use motion on Jet Sweep and Belly Slide opponents will yell "motion". Their whole defense can see we have a man in motion but their intent is to get the OL to flinch. Even though we prepare our team for that invariably one of them will move. I recently told the HC we could do something that will stop the defense from yelling "motion" when we put a player in motion.
When we run Jet Series, our cadence is Nod (to start the back in motion), "Red". On Belly Series, it's Nod, "Red, Set". To stop the defense from yelling "motion", as the QB nods to the back he will say "motion". Now it's part of our cadence and the defense cannot simulate our cadence. Comments?
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Post by Defcord on Oct 7, 2021 3:30:36 GMT -6
Couldn’t you just have your scout team make motion calls so your offense could adapt?
I coach defense. We call out motions because we have adjustments we need to make. No one ever jumps when we do it. What about the way they are yelling makes you guys jump because I want to steal it?
I am interested to hear others’ experiences because i have never seen this be an issue. It seems more like a flaw in preparation and if that is the case then adding a new cadence will just make it harder to execute.
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Post by SetHut on Oct 7, 2021 7:11:40 GMT -6
Maybe we're not very smart coaches but you don't have to be very smart to know we need to prepare our OL for this situation. We had our scout team yell "motion" and guys will flinch at first and they get ripped by the HC but eventually they'll adapt b/c they're expecting to hear it. But in the heat of the game, after several plays without motion, the first time we use motion, bam! they flinch b/c when we use jet motion we snap the ball on the first sound. So they're thinking about what OL think about prior to tbehe snap and the first sound they hear is "motion" and sometimes someone will flinch. The way they yell it is loud and abrupt to simulate our cadence. But since it wasn't part of our cadence it was not penalized. Now if they do it, it will be.
This is just a subtle change to our cadence. As the QB nods to put the back in motion he says, "motion". Some years our OL responded better but this year we have guys playing there who barely made a 2.0. That may be a factor.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:16:39 GMT -6
Post by chi5hi on Oct 7, 2021 15:16:39 GMT -6
Have your QB just "kick" the motion...or hand wave for motion. You shouldn't need to actually call out something in the cadence.
Anyway...JMHO.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:24:03 GMT -6
Post by blb on Oct 7, 2021 15:24:03 GMT -6
Have your QB just "kick" the motion...or hand wave for motion. You shouldn't need to actually call out something in the cadence. ...unless you do it as part of your regular Cadence. Then you don't need a "kick" or a "wave." |
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Oct 8, 2021 12:21:34 GMT -6
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Post by SetHut on Oct 8, 2021 12:21:34 GMT -6
We nod to the back to start him in motion. When we do, some opponents call out, "MOTION!" Because we will then snap the ball on the first sound sometimes our OL will flinch b/c the next sound they here is "Motion!".
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Oct 8, 2021 12:23:10 GMT -6
Post by blb on Oct 8, 2021 12:23:10 GMT -6
We nod to the back to start him in motion. When we do, some opponents call out, "MOTION!" Because we will then snap the ball on the first sound sometimes our OL will flinch b/c the next sound they here is "Motion!". Tell your OL that the defense is not talking to them. After hours of practice they should be able to recognize their QB's voice and timing. |
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Oct 8, 2021 18:10:52 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 8, 2021 18:10:52 GMT -6
I've never heard of anyone having a problem with this, nor had it myself and we were once a double wing team that ran tons of motion. Literally almost every play. I think it's more of a your kids thing than there is a coaching solution.
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Oct 9, 2021 12:32:46 GMT -6
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Post by SetHut on Oct 9, 2021 12:32:46 GMT -6
larrymoe: did opponents call out "motion" in an attempt to get your OL to flinch? We didn't have a problem either until that started.
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Oct 9, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 9, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -6
They called motion, but everyone does that. I've never heard anyone say it was to make their OL false start until this thread.
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Post by Fishbone on Oct 9, 2021 16:05:58 GMT -6
If we ever get flagged for calling out the motion, i am likely need to get tasered.
We call out motion to alert our defense, not to simulate a snap count.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 9, 2021 20:52:32 GMT -6
We nod to the back to start him in motion. When we do, some opponents call out, "MOTION!" Because we will then snap the ball on the first sound sometimes our OL will flinch b/c the next sound they here is "Motion!". What defensive signals would your offense be comfortable with? |
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Oct 9, 2021 22:16:23 GMT -6
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 9, 2021 22:16:23 GMT -6
I've heard of defenses yelling "Hot" or clapping vs other teams motion. I think both of those are a lot more "questionable" than yelling "motion" but in my opinion both should be allowed.
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Post by fantom on Oct 9, 2021 22:39:51 GMT -6
I've heard of defenses yelling "Hot" or clapping vs other teams motion. I think both of those are a lot more "questionable" than yelling "motion" but in my opinion both should be allowed. Texas A&M got called for clapping in their game against Alabama today. |
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Oct 10, 2021 5:29:30 GMT -6
Post by blb on Oct 10, 2021 5:29:30 GMT -6
I've heard of defenses yelling "Hot" or clapping vs other teams motion. I think both of those are a lot more "questionable" than yelling "motion" but in my opinion both should be allowed. Texas A&M got called for clapping in their game against Alabama today. So did Nebraska vs. Michigan last night. |
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Oct 10, 2021 9:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Oct 10, 2021 9:26:55 GMT -6
Texas A&M got called for clapping in their game against Alabama today. So did Nebraska vs. Michigan last night. On the other hand I also watched Penn State commit numerous false starts because the crowd was so loud that the OL couldn't hear the QB's clapping. No penalty was called because none was committed. I think that that's similar to the OP's complaint. I blame PSU's coaches for not having an alternate plan. It's like the old joke where the guy goes to the doctor and says that his arm hurts when he moves it a certain way. The doctor replies, "So don't move it that way". |
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Oct 10, 2021 9:47:24 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Oct 10, 2021 9:47:24 GMT -6
Have your QB just "kick" the motion...or hand wave for motion. You shouldn't need to actually call out something in the cadence. Anyway...JMHO. You missed what his point was. |
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Oct 10, 2021 9:58:55 GMT -6
Post by silkyice on Oct 10, 2021 9:58:55 GMT -6
We're a Wing-T team. When we use motion on Jet Sweep and Belly Slide opponents will yell "motion". Their whole defense can see we have a man in motion but their intent is to get the OL to flinch. Even though we prepare our team for that invariably one of them will move. I recently told the HC we could do something that will stop the defense from yelling "motion" when we put a player in motion. When we run Jet Series, our cadence is Nod (to start the back in motion), "Red". On Belly Series, it's Nod, "Red, Set". To stop the defense from yelling "motion", as the QB nods to the back he will say "motion". Now it's part of our cadence and the defense cannot simulate our cadence. Comments? First comment, it sounds like you got it fixed. Correct? Are you just looking for confirmation or still trying to get something fixed? Second comment, we ran into a similar problem last year. Wing t also, but don't think that actually has any relevance. We noticed a team that we were about to play kept getting their opponents to jump on film. Barking something and shifting. So we tried to prepare our kids for that on Monday's practice. Our cadence was just "set go". Said quickly. The scout defense did a great job making us jump all day. We changed our cadence to "red set go" and the problem disappeared. Something about using three words changed everything. We have used that cadence ever since. When we run jet stuff, the WB just goes between Red and Set. |
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Post by blb on Oct 12, 2021 10:41:11 GMT -6
So did Nebraska vs. Michigan last night. On the other hand I also watched Penn State commit numerous false starts because the crowd was so loud that the OL couldn't hear the QB's clapping. No penalty was called because none was committed. I think that that's similar to the OP's complaint. I blame PSU's coaches for not having an alternate plan. It's like the old joke where the guy goes to the doctor and says that his arm hurts when he moves it a certain way. The doctor replies, "So don't move it that way". Our RB is running down field for apparent TD when he falls down without being touched. Me: "Man, you could've scored!" Him: "I slipped." Me: "Don't slip." Him: "It's wet." Me: "Run like it's wet!" Coaching isn't that hard. |
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