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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Sept 28, 2021 9:53:01 GMT -6
Hey y’all,
So long story short, I’ve been told I am a JV coach on top of what I do as the varsity H backs and LBs coach. Instead of us practicing together and then splitting up for team, it has been decided to hold simultaneous practices; basically the rest of the varsity staff doesn’t want to deal with coaching/ teaching JV kids as they’re very good so they see no value in keeping them with them during Indy. I was a late hire and have had some concerns about how the program has been run so I think this is a way to push me out or keep me at arms distance.
We had our first JV game, without having really practiced as a JV (don’t ask unless you have aspirin or a drink nearby), and now we’re trying to cram a JV schedule into the last 4-5 weeks. Yesterday I was the only one coaching the JV and I expect that will be the way from here on till the end of the season. Any suggestions on how to organize and schedule practice? Oh, and I have to have a practice plan the covers 3 - 3.5 hours on my own..
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Post by carookie on Sept 28, 2021 10:22:49 GMT -6
I've been in roughly a similar situation before, some thoughts:
Lots of drills of ubiquitous skills: tackling, blocking, etc (things that everyone needs to do eventually). Along those lines lots of change of direction and athletic development type stuff.
Have different position groups help out the other: 10 Minute Pass pro section, have the skill players serve as the group we are blocking.
Its okay to learn things that arent for your position: Who knows where these kids will develop in a year or two, that WR may end up playing on the line. That being written, be up front and explain that you are just one coach, so the OL's may need to go with the skill players for some stuff, just set it up so the skills get most of the reps.
You have two eyes, use them: You can divide into small groups and have them work on specific skills while you bounce back and forth, especially if you draw things up and instruct them well early on.
See if your QBs can work with the varsity: At least now and then, it ends up being an oddball position with little crossover to others, in regards to individual work.
Teach everyone how to read a scout book: Map out the scout plan for team time, let everyone know how to read it and understand it. Maybe put someone in charge of it.
You don't need to rely on team: It seems the easiest way, but you still need to teach them to be football players, not just how to run football plays.
3.5 hours is bonkers, even for a full staffed varsity team, see about getting that trimmed down. If not, weight room is good work during the season, or maybe teaching them to watch film (if someone is filming your games).
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Sept 28, 2021 11:42:18 GMT -6
I've been in roughly a similar situation before, some thoughts: Lots of drills of ubiquitous skills: tackling, blocking, etc (things that everyone needs to do eventually). Along those lines lots of change of direction and athletic development type stuff. Have different position groups help out the other: 10 Minute Pass pro section, have the skill players serve as the group we are blocking. Its okay to learn things that arent for your position: Who knows where these kids will develop in a year or two, that WR may end up playing on the line. That being written, be up front and explain that you are just one coach, so the OL's may need to go with the skill players for some stuff, just set it up so the skills get most of the reps. You have two eyes, use them: You can divide into small groups and have them work on specific skills while you bounce back and forth, especially if you draw things up and instruct them well early on. See if your QBs can work with the varsity: At least now and then, it ends up being an oddball position with little crossover to others, in regards to individual work. Teach everyone how to read a scout book: Map out the scout plan for team time, let everyone know how to read it and understand it. Maybe put someone in charge of it. You don't need to rely on team: It seems the easiest way, but you still need to teach them to be football players, not just how to run football plays. 3.5 hours is bonkers, even for a full staffed varsity team, see about getting that trimmed down. If not, weight room is good work during the season, or maybe teaching them to watch film (if someone is filming your games). Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 20:36:37 GMT -6
3-3.5… hours… all by yourself?
The first thing I’d ask for is for 1-2 other coaches (or even injured upperclassmen) who can help. If that is turned down, you’re in a tough spot, but it sounds like nobody cares about JV much so don’t take it too hard.
The second thing is, since this is JV we’re talking about, don’t worry about scout cards and all that. Focus on just getting the kids taught how to line up, run the base defense and special teams, and how to execute like 3-5 plays of offense including one pass.
For practice, what resources will you have that you can use? How many days will you get?
If it’s just you, some things to save a little time:
Teach punt return as a defensive play. Have the base, like 1-3 blitzes, and PR for the entire defensive playbook. It just saves time. Don’t even bother with PATs and XPs. Just go for 2 and go for it on 4th down every time you cross the 40.
For scout defense, don’t even bother with scout cards. Just line up in a 4-2 box one day and a 3-3 box the next. Have the LBs tap the DT in front of them to slant them one way while the LBs finish opposite,
For scout offense, simulate all snaps so you’re not just spending the whole period chasing bad ones around. C moves his hand back while the QB has it in his hands and pats the ball at the start of the play,
Some things you can do with the whole team to work fundamentals:
A blocking rotation (better if you’re a ground and pound team, but if you’re all by yourself, let the WRs get a few reps on downblocks). Use a sled, bags, board drills, etc.
A mesh/ball security rotation (as above, let the OL get some reps taking handoffs and running in traffic).
A tackle rotation working angle tackles, form tackling, strip drill, close and pursue, etc—a lot of this can basically be LB drills.
A pursuit drill.
For the teaching itself, do some walkthroughs on air where you call the play, spot the ball, and get lined up. Keep this limited to like 10 min or less and only to work spacing and alignment, as it does almost nothing for the OL.
Do light contact thud scrimmaging, but you can break this up and do like 1 period devoted to each of the 5 offensive plays you’re running. Walk through the assignments and really stress rules and WHO to block, try to keep your JV dudes in the same spot week after week so the learning builds.
Defensively, focus on teaching them how to follow their rules against the common things they’ll see: 2x2, 3x1, 2x1, Power, Counter, IZ, etc. If you can 2 platoon your JV kids and have your offense run your own schemes at the D, you get a 2 for 1 here.
Rough estimate for a 3 hour schedule would be 1 hr of offense, 1 hr of defense, 10 min each on KO, KOR, and Punt, and 30 min of water breaks, possibly with some extra conditioning. For conditioning try to make it fun somehow.
If you have that much time for 2-3 days, try to do some drills to just work flexibility and movement for about 30 minutes a day, possibly broken up into a pair of 15 minute periods that come from offensive and defensive time, respectively.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the kids lift for a portion of that if at all possible. It’s probably going to do more for them than trying to run a cluster of an 11 vs 11 scrimmage with JV kids all by yourself.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Sept 29, 2021 4:14:11 GMT -6
That a long practice.
I second everybody suggesting lifting. Lift as well as stretching, agilities, and conditioning to utilize the extra time.
Keep the offense and defense simple and focus on blocking, block protection, and tackling.
Also, I wouldn't assume that it personal, it probably just them being lazy.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Sept 29, 2021 6:33:58 GMT -6
How many kids?
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Sept 29, 2021 23:24:36 GMT -6
About 22-30. Without going too far into things, we’ve had most of these kiddos since week 2, but there was no JV schedule made and we spent the first 5 weeks of the season trying to incorporate the JV into practice during pod work, inside run, etc. The HC, OC, and DC philosophically want to focus on a lot of periods of inside run and team; what we end up with is basically 3 hours of offensive and defensive run and team with special teams making up the other portion of time. Basically our first JV game we got our heads handed to us and our kids, through no fault of their own, we’re misaligned and outmatched by a well coached and undefeated JV team. Broke the last few days into install walk throughs for O and D and then I take the OL and Big skill to do OL Indy, while the skills work on quick game Routes and then a period of Indy we’re we repeat the structure but skill works on run game mesh (we’re running a lot of spin series and power read). On defense we’re running our base 43 nickel and teaching the front 7 block destruction and fighting pressure keys, while I have the FBs work on footwork and then route combos. We then work team. We finish up working on special teams install as in our first game we did no special teams as our players hadn’t done special teams unless they had played in a varsity game. .
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 4, 2021 19:30:21 GMT -6
Well we won today 12-6 against a much bigger school. A lot to fix, but there was a lot of good as well. Now we’re up to two of us as the JV “staff”.,
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 5, 2021 9:46:28 GMT -6
How is the 3 hour practice going?
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 5, 2021 20:37:54 GMT -6
How is the 3 hour practice going? Long, aggravating to plan for, but breaking it into 15 min chunks with special teams “breaks” and short walk through periods before team sessions. Varsity was still practicing at 7 pm apparently while we were at our game. Practice starts at 3:30 pm, it’s been an incredibly long season team is on track to be 8-2, but the atmosphere is that of a 2-8 team. JV morale up significantly after this game and a week of more stable practice. Maybe it’s because I am older and have a toddler now, but we could definitely get everything we do done in 90 min to 2 hours tops - we’re definitely living in the Land of Diminishing Returns.
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Post by newhope on Oct 6, 2021 5:15:40 GMT -6
Hey y’all, So long story short, I’ve been told I am a JV coach on top of what I do as the varsity H backs and LBs coach. Instead of us practicing together and then splitting up for team, it has been decided to hold simultaneous practices; basically the rest of the varsity staff doesn’t want to deal with coaching/ teaching JV kids as they’re very good so they see no value in keeping them with them during Indy. I was a late hire and have had some concerns about how the program has been run so I think this is a way to push me out or keep me at arms distance. We had our first JV game, without having really practiced as a JV (don’t ask unless you have aspirin or a drink nearby), and now we’re trying to cram a JV schedule into the last 4-5 weeks. Yesterday I was the only one coaching the JV and I expect that will be the way from here on till the end of the season. Any suggestions on how to organize and schedule practice? Oh, and I have to have a practice plan the covers 3 - 3.5 hours on my own.. Wait...I want to make sure I'm clear here: you have the JV alone for the entire practice? It's not just for a team period?
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 6, 2021 11:04:59 GMT -6
Hey y’all, So long story short, I’ve been told I am a JV coach on top of what I do as the varsity H backs and LBs coach. Instead of us practicing together and then splitting up for team, it has been decided to hold simultaneous practices; basically the rest of the varsity staff doesn’t want to deal with coaching/ teaching JV kids as they’re very good so they see no value in keeping them with them during Indy. I was a late hire and have had some concerns about how the program has been run so I think this is a way to push me out or keep me at arms distance. We had our first JV game, without having really practiced as a JV (don’t ask unless you have aspirin or a drink nearby), and now we’re trying to cram a JV schedule into the last 4-5 weeks. Yesterday I was the only one coaching the JV and I expect that will be the way from here on till the end of the season. Any suggestions on how to organize and schedule practice? Oh, and I have to have a practice plan the covers 3 - 3.5 hours on my own.. Wait...I want to make sure I'm clear here: you have the JV alone for the entire practice? It's not just for a team period? Was that way, our HC randomly demoted our Special teams coordinator to “Head JV Coach” so there’s two of us now
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Post by newhope on Oct 6, 2021 12:25:17 GMT -6
Wait...I want to make sure I'm clear here: you have the JV alone for the entire practice? It's not just for a team period? Was that way, our HC randomly demoted our Special teams coordinator to “Head JV Coach” so there’s two of us now We were forced during part of last spring season to have two coaches take JV in an effort to separate teams and with a shortage of coaches due to Covid. It was terrible and non-productive. Trying to do so in normal conditions makes little sense. One coach? Ridiculous. With two coaches, best advice I could give was one take skills, one take front. For team, one takes offense and one takes defense. Split things as best you can and be flexible. I can see a shorthanded staff using just two coaches to do team sessions with JV, but having multiple coaches for indy sessions. Not wanting to involve JV in indy is just short of insane. What kind of teaching is taking place? Obviously, these guys don't care about development.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 6, 2021 13:15:21 GMT -6
Was that way, our HC randomly demoted our Special teams coordinator to “Head JV Coach” so there’s two of us now We were forced during part of last spring season to have two coaches take JV in an effort to separate teams and with a shortage of coaches due to Covid. It was terrible and non-productive. Trying to do so in normal conditions makes little sense. One coach? Ridiculous. With two coaches, best advice I could give was one take skills, one take front. For team, one takes offense and one takes defense. Split things as best you can and be flexible. I can see a shorthanded staff using just two coaches to do team sessions with JV, but having multiple coaches for indy sessions. Not wanting to involve JV in indy is just short of insane. What kind of teaching is taking place? Obviously, these guys don't care about development. It’s a mess, I joined the team 2 weeks before the season started as a job I thought I had lined up at a Hogwarts type private school fell through. Apparently all summer there was a ton of times when only two coaches at practice so all training and install over the summer was in team. Our OC and I have coached at really good programs in the area and it’s our first year here. We’re fighting the “city” mentality of just using your talent and lining up and poorly executing zone read bubble or fades. Our HC wants to basically run a ton of team because he read about Pulaski Academy/ Presbyterian U’s HC approach to practice of running more inside run and team periods. Basically we run 3 hours of team at the varsity level. I had to turn inside run and Team D into my Indy periods with our linebackers. If things were better structured and better organized, like we are for track and Field at the same school, we would easily go 7-3 every year with the potential to make big playoff runs as the school itself is one of those urban schools that operates like a nice suburb school and has great teachers and a state report card score higher than many of the wealthier suburbs that surround it. I am just getting worn out and it feels more like a 2-8 season than the current 4-2 varsity situation. I think I am might just quit/ “retire” from coaching after this season if I don’t get tapped to be an HC somewhere else. It sucks because I have coached these kids in track but my family can’t do 3 hour practices now that I have a toddler.
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Post by newhope on Oct 7, 2021 11:18:21 GMT -6
Those places with players and academics are not easy to find--and can be real gold mines. Unfortunate that there isn't better organization. I've seen those teams that just survive on talent.
Like you, I couldn't do the 3 hour team practices. I'm not sure what gets accomplished in that structure. Seems like a lot of standing around, which I detest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 10:52:54 GMT -6
Hey y’all, So long story short, I’ve been told I am a JV coach on top of what I do as the varsity H backs and LBs coach. Instead of us practicing together and then splitting up for team, it has been decided to hold simultaneous practices; basically the rest of the varsity staff doesn’t want to deal with coaching/ teaching JV kids as they’re very good so they see no value in keeping them with them during Indy. I was a late hire and have had some concerns about how the program has been run so I think this is a way to push me out or keep me at arms distance. We had our first JV game, without having really practiced as a JV (don’t ask unless you have aspirin or a drink nearby), and now we’re trying to cram a JV schedule into the last 4-5 weeks. Yesterday I was the only one coaching the JV and I expect that will be the way from here on till the end of the season. Any suggestions on how to organize and schedule practice? Oh, and I have to have a practice plan the covers 3 - 3.5 hours on my own.. I know this isnt going to help you in the way you asked. But if you are, teacher, and the attitude is the jv isnt worth the varsity’s time…go recruit other teachers. If you can get them up to speed quickly…looks good if you want to be hc. btw we have 40 kids +?- 1 or 2 in the entire program.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 11, 2021 20:33:25 GMT -6
Hey y’all, So long story short, I’ve been told I am a JV coach on top of what I do as the varsity H backs and LBs coach. Instead of us practicing together and then splitting up for team, it has been decided to hold simultaneous practices; basically the rest of the varsity staff doesn’t want to deal with coaching/ teaching JV kids as they’re very good so they see no value in keeping them with them during Indy. I was a late hire and have had some concerns about how the program has been run so I think this is a way to push me out or keep me at arms distance. We had our first JV game, without having really practiced as a JV (don’t ask unless you have aspirin or a drink nearby), and now we’re trying to cram a JV schedule into the last 4-5 weeks. Yesterday I was the only one coaching the JV and I expect that will be the way from here on till the end of the season. Any suggestions on how to organize and schedule practice? Oh, and I have to have a practice plan the covers 3 - 3.5 hours on my own.. I know this isnt going to help you in the way you asked. But if you are, teacher, and the attitude is the jv isnt worth the varsity’s time…go recruit other teachers. If you can get them up to speed quickly…looks good if you want to be hc. btw we have 40 kids +?- 1 or 2 in the entire program. Got hit with a COVID-19 quarantine so we will see if we still have any JV games in the pipeline. I agree with your analysis, but I think the admin want an on campus HC for the next hire as our current HC as this week has evolved into a crazy one. Without consulting Admin or following COVID-19 protocol our HC told kids the varsity and JV games were back on even though the “rescheduled” date would be a day before quarantine ended and currently we have 15 kids cleared… and we would have no practices prior to playing. When Admin found out us assistants got thrown under the bus to admin and then in our coaches meeting our HC said he’s lost trust in us, made comments alluding to our “feminine” behavior, etc. While I believe I could be a very successful HC at the school as I have deep ties in the athletic department, I think my best bets are trying to get hired at the school I work at as they’re looking to start a program, or ride off into the sunset after this playoff run and spend time with our team’s #1 fan, my toddler. It’s insane how an HC can make an 8-2 season feel like 2-8; we might be hosting a playoff game and yet it feels like we’ve lost the last 5 games by 50.
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Oct 18, 2021 17:51:14 GMT -6
On plus side with only a fewpractices in essentially 2 weeks due to COVID-19 we lost 6-0 on a pick six. A lot to clean up, we dropped 3 TD passes and guys still have a tendency to drift in even if they’re Force, but I will take it considering we lost our top 3 running backs to injuries in last week’s varsity game during garbage time, #4 got suspended, and #5 got a sprained ankle. Proud of the kids
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