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Post by pvogel on Sept 13, 2021 4:32:52 GMT -6
Curious to hear how you all approach a game where you only have a weeks worth of tendencies and such. How much credit do you give to the "tendencies" from the small sample size?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 5:42:49 GMT -6
Curious to hear how you all approach a game where you only have a weeks worth of tendencies and such. How much credit do you give to the "tendencies" from the small sample size? We only really look at what they do against us or similar to us. We don’t care what you do v.option or 4 verts or wishbone cause we aren’t doing it.. |
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Post by agap on Sept 13, 2021 9:58:15 GMT -6
We would still care about formation tendencies because those typically stay the same whether it's one game or five games, at least with the teams we play. We're not focused as much on down and distance early in the season, if at all throughout the whole season.
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Post by pvogel on Sept 13, 2021 19:13:04 GMT -6
Curious to hear how you all approach a game where you only have a weeks worth of tendencies and such. How much credit do you give to the "tendencies" from the small sample size? We only really look at what they do against us or similar to us. We don’t care what you do v.option or 4 verts or wishbone cause we aren’t doing it.. Ya I get that. I'm just saying how much weight do you put into 1 game as opposed to a whole season or several games? |
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Post by realdawg on Sept 13, 2021 19:41:26 GMT -6
I never broke down more than 3 films anyway. 2 was the preferred number for me. Unless there was one against someone who did the same thing as us. So our sample size is relatively small all the time. We prepare for what we see with our players. And what we think might happen amongst ourselves as a staff.
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Post by carookie on Sept 15, 2021 17:56:36 GMT -6
Look at the big picture as much as you can. Ive written this before, but i used to coach with a guy who really didnt get the premise of small sample sizes being an issue. If we only had one play of what they ran on 3rd and short, then darnit thats what we would plan for them to run on third and short.
Do what you do, your system should be able to handle anything they do at you.
Try to stop what they do as a whole.
Dont chase small sample sizes
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Post by wingtol on Sept 16, 2021 5:12:06 GMT -6
I do not get to crazy with tendencies overall. Usually looking to see: what are they trying to do and with who. Try to get a feel for what they are good at and who they want getting the ball and go from there. Coaching at and against smaller schools often times there aren't too many options so take away what and who they want with the ball and make them do things they aren't good at. At least in theory.
With just one game, I usually only break down the last two we have on a team cause so much can change from week to week, it's always hard especially if it is game one and you're trying to figure them out.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 16, 2021 7:52:39 GMT -6
1- WHO is calling the play? Is the play caller one you know from the past?
2- WHO is getting the ball regardless of the success/outcome of the play
3- WHAT is being shown in the SSS?
4- WHAT did the other team present to the team with the SSS?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 9:42:28 GMT -6
Tendencies can be a little too seductive, IMO, so a small sample size means you prep for what you can see: players, formations, top plays, etc. Then, defensively, you just focus on being sound in case they bust out something to surprise you.
Offensively, you have to go into it knowing full well you may see something radically different from what you saw on film. One of the nice things about option and series-based offenses is that the methodology and gameplay doesn’t really change from week to week, so you just stress following blocking rules and fundamentals so you’re in decent shape against whatever they throw at you.
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Post by carookie on Sept 16, 2021 11:01:51 GMT -6
Tendencies, at least from a DC's perspective, can be very important. What plays they like to run from a certain formation-tendency. Who is the player they want to get the ball to- tendency. Do they like going to the wide side or strong side a lot- tendency.
Too many people mistake tendencies to just mean Down & Distance guessing game of what play they will run- thats a very small part of it, and often the part that gets you chasing ghosts of small sample size.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 16, 2021 17:57:49 GMT -6
Tendencies, at least from a DC's perspective, can be very important. What plays they like to run from a certain formation-tendency. Who is the player they want to get the ball to- tendency. Do they like going to the wide side or strong side a lot- tendency. Too many people mistake tendencies to just mean Down & Distance guessing game of what play they will run- thats a very small part of it, and often the part that gets you chasing ghosts of small sample size. YES! I want to formation/play WAY before I get into D&D, field, etc... The basis of successful football is leverage, angles, and numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 6:38:03 GMT -6
We only really look at what they do against us or similar to us. We don’t care what you do v.option or 4 verts or wishbone cause we aren’t doing it.. Ya I get that. I'm just saying how much weight do you put into 1 game as opposed to a whole season or several games? Unless its the only game, which it never is, it is just a piece |
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 18, 2021 16:22:34 GMT -6
Curious to hear how you all approach a game where you only have a weeks worth of tendencies and such. How much credit do you give to the "tendencies" from the small sample size? I won't consider it too much. IMHO, this is where you have so much confidence in your base O and D that you bring it and depend on it. You can make adjustments as the game goes on. Don't give yourself too many things to worry about. |
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Post by newhope on Sept 21, 2021 10:02:10 GMT -6
The more like us their opponent is, the most credence I put into what I saw. The same goes for their success--if what they're doing worked against someone to similar to us, I don't look for them to be very different. Also, as someone said, the history and background also makes a difference---if the same guy is doing what he always does, then count on him continuing to do it.
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Post by josephtyler21 on Sept 30, 2021 15:55:47 GMT -6
We'd still be interested in formation tendencies because, at least with the teams we play, they tend to stay the same whether it's one game or five. Early in the season, if at all, we aren't as concerned with down and distance as we are later in the season.
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