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Post by khalfie on Nov 7, 2007 17:38:03 GMT -6
You guys haven't said a word?
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Post by brophy on Nov 7, 2007 17:40:56 GMT -6
are you a COACH or a sports fan?
PS - who cares?
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Post by khalfie on Nov 7, 2007 17:57:45 GMT -6
Apparently... all of society? Baseball Players cheat... there was a congressional hearing? Track Stars cheat... banned for life? Bicyclist cheat... banned for umpteen years? Football players cheat... suspended for games, kicked out of the league? Football coach cheats... administration pays a fine... multimillionaires pay a fine? You don't see the hypocrisy? I'm a fan and a coach... And don't start picking on Don Shula!  |
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Post by saintrad on Nov 7, 2007 18:11:05 GMT -6
why khalfie? if he is arrogant enough to say an asterick should be place on their record then maybe the 72 DOlphins should be scutinizied too... i can guarntee they werent saints by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 7, 2007 18:16:10 GMT -6
why khalfie? if he is arrogant enough to say an asterick should be place on their record then maybe the 72 DOlphins should be scutinizied too... i can guarntee they werent saints by any stretch of the imagination. Saint... C'mon now... One man gets caught cheating... and the defense is that everyone else MIGHT have cheated also? D. Shula was asked his opinion... was man enough to give it straight with no chaser... I like his cajones! Not political at all, no waffling... NE cheated... they were caught... do to cheaters, what we do cheaters in other sports... add the asterisk... But in all honesty... no one goes 19-0... no one... not even the great pats! |
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Post by Yash on Nov 7, 2007 18:28:51 GMT -6
Here is my deal with new england cheating and what not. Obviously they were doing it and got caught, but I don't think they are the only ones because otherwise someone who played for the pats and got cut or was bitter would have broke that story long before they got caught. But I don't think they were the only ones doing it. Place an asterix, no way. The jets are 1-7 so I don't really think the pats needed to cheat to win that game, why did they who knows, but Its asterix worthy.
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Post by saintrad on Nov 7, 2007 18:33:21 GMT -6
why khalfie? if he is arrogant enough to say an asterick should be place on their record then maybe the 72 DOlphins should be scutinizied too... i can guarntee they werent saints by any stretch of the imagination. Saint... C'mon now... One man gets caught cheating... and the defense is that everyone else MIGHT have cheated also? D. Shula was asked his opinion... was man enough to give it straight with no chaser... I like his cajones! Not political at all, no waffling... NE cheated... they were caught... do to cheaters, what we do cheaters in other sports... add the asterisk... But in all honesty... no one goes 19-0... no one... not even the great pats! actually khalfie i coudl care less about pro sports in general anyway..way too much going on.. i figured i would just play devil's advocate to you so we can get this thing going some  |
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Post by khalfie on Nov 7, 2007 18:36:13 GMT -6
Saint... C'mon now... One man gets caught cheating... and the defense is that everyone else MIGHT have cheated also? D. Shula was asked his opinion... was man enough to give it straight with no chaser... I like his cajones! Not political at all, no waffling... NE cheated... they were caught... do to cheaters, what we do cheaters in other sports... add the asterisk... But in all honesty... no one goes 19-0... no one... not even the great pats! actually khalfie i coudl care less about pro sports in general anyway..way too much going on.. i figured i would just play devil's advocate to you so we can get this thing going some Hill Larry Us! ;D |
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Post by saintrad on Nov 7, 2007 18:37:35 GMT -6
oh and another thing... i really dont see where its my place to place blame on anyone REGARDLESS of how bad something looks... since i am not the parties involved and I DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY I dont feel comfortable going into conjecture about something as trivial as false idols..  |
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 7, 2007 19:48:25 GMT -6
Every team cheats. If you are losing no one cares if you are winning every one cares.
Examples
1. Last year the Dolphins Mic-ed there D-line the first time they played NE to get the snap counts for the next time. Dolphins suck no one cares.
2. I live in Indiana and it is going around that the Colts pumped in fake crowd noise and messed with the QB to Coach communication against the pats. They lost no one cares.
3. Pats are winning every one cares, well almost every one
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Post by Shotgun1 on Nov 7, 2007 21:24:42 GMT -6
The Dolphins were found guilty by the NFL of tampering when they hired Shula.....
From Wikpedia-After the 1969 season, Joe Robbie, owner of the Miami Dolphins, signed Shula to a contract to become Miami's second head coach. As a result of Shula's signing the team was charged with tampering by the NFL, which forced the Dolphins to give their first round pick to the Colts.
Does this not fall under the cheating category? If a coach is hired under those means then every year Shula coached should have an asterisk next to it. Shula needs to realize he sounds like a baby.
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Post by blackfly73 on Nov 8, 2007 0:11:47 GMT -6
Every team cheats. If you are losing no one cares if you are winning every one cares. Examples 1. Last year the Dolphins Mic-ed there D-line the first time they played NE to get the snap counts for the next time. Dolphins suck no one cares. 2. I live in Indiana and it is going around that the Colts pumped in fake crowd noise and messed with the QB to Coach communication against the pats. They lost no one cares. 3. Pats are winning every one cares, well almost every one Not to mention on the NFL network several ex-coaches & players admitted that stealing signals happens on most teams. Parcells and Ditka were asked on ESPN GameDay and replied that they had something "special". Don Shula and Khalfie should remember that those in glass houses should not throw stones. |
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 9, 2007 16:26:09 GMT -6
Actually he never said that there should be an asterix. He likend it to something similar to barry bonds and the asterix but never said it should be. The point of his answer was that it is a black eye on a otherwise great season.
I am a Dolphins fan and watching what the Pats are doing makes me sick. But that team is so great that they don't need to cheat.
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Post by coach79 on Nov 9, 2007 18:22:47 GMT -6
I once heard... "If you aren't cheating, then you aren't trying"
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Post by carookie on Nov 9, 2007 22:39:32 GMT -6
I drive 90 on the freeway I pay a ticket, my tackle holds someone we lose ten yards, the Pats get caught taping signs they get fined and lose picks. They did what they did and they were punished, same as everything else. They don't lose their rings or forfeit games; thats not the punishment, so in the end he/they (whoever you want to hate on) did what needed to be done to win, and that was more than just breaking some rules. So they traded in being well liked by the masses and the media for a few superbowls, thats life, thats competition.
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Post by FlexboneOne on Nov 9, 2007 23:29:20 GMT -6
I drive 90 on the freeway I pay a ticket, my tackle holds someone we lose ten yards, the Pats get caught taping signs they get fined and lose picks. They did what they did and they were punished, same as everything else. They don't lose their rings or forfeit games; thats not the punishment, so in the end he/they (whoever you want to hate on) did what needed to be done to win, and that was more than just breaking some rules. So they traded in being well liked by the masses and the media for a few superbowls, thats life, thats competition. It doesn't matter if they paid their dues on this particular matter...the fact is that a vast majority of people are going to always consider the Pats championships as somewhat tainted. That is a fact. They are not going to lose thier rings, but they have certainly lost face, and in the marketing world of the NFL, that = losing money. This whole thing is NOT about competition, it's about money. Consider this: The NFL wants to expand to playing games in Europe, maybe a team in Mexico...the LAST thing they want is to have a cheating scandal that in any way taints the league. It REALLY makes you wonder why the league went to such lengths to distroy every single shred of the Pats materials without ever disclosing the extent of the cheating. Imagine for a second if there was evidence (however small) that a championship game was tainted by cheating!! What would that do to the NFL? It's about MONEY, folks. |
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Post by coachkeppy on Nov 10, 2007 0:20:23 GMT -6
Whatever, the big problem I have is with ESPN, the monopoly on sports television ignoriing it, justifying it, and sweeping it under the rug. And where are they headquartered? CT New England. Big time bias, and it's ridiculous.
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