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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 19:01:29 GMT -6
this is all moot until we know what the kid did Or more accurately why Dilfer was doing what he was doing. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:04:29 GMT -6
this is all moot until we know what the kid did Or more accurately why Dilfer was doing what he was doing. what did the kid do to warrant this? I can see this for sure based on actions I have seen depending on what it was maybe dilfer is being a baby who knows the virtue signalling and viral nature of it makes me think it is all bs and the kid was dead ass wrong and too bad dilfer got caught doing right but we shall see who knows everything is all bs today even his "apology" whatever |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 19:13:58 GMT -6
Its one of the things they teach you in the ethics classes when you go through an education degree. Sort of like Propst giving kids asprin out the back of pick up.
Neither of the two sins is deserving of the scrutiny they get got, You just dont do it.
Dilfer and Propst are not the same thing, not even close.
But Dilfer doesnt deserve this. Much less lose his job.
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:16:41 GMT -6
Its one of the things they teach you in the ethics classes when you go through an education degree. Sort of like Propst giving kids asprin out the back of pick up. Neither of the two sins is deserving of the scrutiny they get got, You just dont do it. Dilfer and Propst are not the same thing, not even close. But Dilfer doesnt deserve this. Much less lose his job. I never took an ethics class I was taught by mike owens of tyler lee and various other TXHSB coaches right is right still waiting to hear what the kid did |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 19:18:14 GMT -6
Or more accurately why Dilfer was doing what he was doing. what did the kid do to warrant this? I can see this for sure based on actions I have seen depending on what it was maybe dilfer is being a baby who knows the virtue signalling and viral nature of it makes me think it is all bs and the kid was dead ass wrong and too bad dilfer got caught doing right but we shall see who knows everything is all bs today even his "apology" whatever A grown azz man in a mentor position pushing around a kid half his size .... not sure how that would be "right". Tog, what actions could the kid have done to make you feel that would be the right thing to do? Unless as I said, he was actually restraining him and moving him away from another situation. |
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Post by cqmiller on Aug 30, 2021 19:19:55 GMT -6
On Friday we had a scuffle break out after our int that seed the game. Kids who know damn well that they need to walk away and not do something stupid or especially not run out on the field and get in the middle of it like an idiot... I grabbed a fee of my kids and physically relocated them to the sideline... probably just as angry and violently as Dilfer was.
Different circumstance, but technically I grabbed and threw kids... I probably got a clip of it.
I'm gonna treat my friend's son a little closer to how I would treat my son if he talked back to a coach the way I'm sure the kid had to for Dilfer to get that hot.
Those kids are at a HS that spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on nutrition for their football players each year... they are basically a college program.
2 weeks ago I had a kid talk back to me after he screwed up a route and I tried to correct him on it. I pointed to the bench and told him to take his {censored} off because he's done for the night... didn't try to sit him down myself, but he needed to be coached hard in that particular moment. His sun went in and had 3 catches on the same play in 5 snaps for 60 yards.
I dont think he's completely blameless, but I thought, "that kid must have done something STUPID for a high-profile coach to lose his {censored} like that" when I saw it.
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:31:31 GMT -6
what did the kid do to warrant this? I can see this for sure based on actions I have seen depending on what it was maybe dilfer is being a baby who knows the virtue signalling and viral nature of it makes me think it is all bs and the kid was dead ass wrong and too bad dilfer got caught doing right but we shall see who knows everything is all bs today even his "apology" whatever A grown azz man in a mentor position pushing around a kid half his size .... not sure how that would be "right". Tog, what actions could the kid have done to make you feel that would be the right thing to do? Unless as I said, he was actually restraining him and moving him away from another situation. been there done that like I said depends on what the kid did? you seriously gonna virtue signal this? you've never stopped a kid/team from fighting? or crossing the line on the field? ever? really? ok |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:35:53 GMT -6
On Friday we had a scuffle break out after our int that seed the game. Kids who know damn well that they need to walk away and not do something stupid or especially not run out on the field and get in the middle of it like an idiot... I grabbed a fee of my kids and physically relocated them to the sideline... probably just as angry and violently as Dilfer was. Different circumstance, but technically I grabbed and threw kids... I probably got a clip of it. I'm gonna treat my friend's son a little closer to how I would treat my son if he talked back to a coach the way I'm sure the kid had to for Dilfer to get that hot. Those kids are at a HS that spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on nutrition for their football players each year... they are basically a college program. 2 weeks ago I had a kid talk back to me after he screwed up a route and I tried to correct him on it. I pointed to the bench and told him to take his {censored} off because he's done for the night... didn't try to sit him down myself, but he needed to be coached hard in that particular moment. His sun went in and had 3 catches on the same play in 5 snaps for 60 yards. I dont think he's completely blameless, but I thought, "that kid must have done something STUPID for a high-profile coach to lose his {censored} like that" when I saw it. but were you bigger than any of those cherubs doing god's work? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 19:37:43 GMT -6
A grown azz man in a mentor position pushing around a kid half his size .... not sure how that would be "right". Tog, what actions could the kid have done to make you feel that would be the right thing to do? Unless as I said, he was actually restraining him and moving him away from another situation. been there done that like I said depends on what the kid did? you seriously gonna virtue signal this? you've never stopped a kid/team from fighting? or crossing the line on the field? ever? really? ok That is why I said if he was restraining him or removing him from another situation. That would be stopping him from fighting etc. But if that was a scenario such as described above where the kid mouthed off at a coach... |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:42:29 GMT -6
been there done that like I said depends on what the kid did? you seriously gonna virtue signal this? you've never stopped a kid/team from fighting? or crossing the line on the field? ever? really? ok That is why I said if he was restraining him or removing him from another situation. That would be stopping him from fighting etc. But if that was a scenario such as described above where the kid mouthed off at a coach... my point of, let's find out what the kid did |
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Aug 30, 2021 19:43:02 GMT -6
needs more context, what did the kid do? Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. Except the authority figure was wrong in this situation. I thing suspension is fair. If Dilfer was a regular teacher he most likely would have been fired by now. It was a bad move, suspend him and let it know this is his one and only second chance. The difference between this and the What abputs involving adults is this was an adult and a kid. The adult should de escalate the situation, not make it worse. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:46:12 GMT -6
Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. Except the authority figure was wrong in this situation. I thing suspension is fair. If Dilfer was a regular teacher he most likely would have been fired by now. It was a bad move, suspend him and let it know this is his one and only second chance. The difference between this and the What abputs involving adults is this was an adult and a kid. The adult should de escalate the situation, not make it worse. how do you know? |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 19:46:46 GMT -6
you don't
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 19:58:05 GMT -6
Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. Except the authority figure was wrong in this situation. I thing suspension is fair. If Dilfer was a regular teacher he most likely would have been fired by now. It was a bad move, suspend him and let it know this is his one and only second chance. The difference between this and the What abputs involving adults is this was an adult and a kid. The adult should de escalate the situation, not make it worse. You are proving his point whether you know it or not. |
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Aug 30, 2021 20:01:59 GMT -6
I know how my district contract reads, I know what would happen if I did that in my classroom. If the kid was getting in a fight with another person, then yes you separate them and you can move them away, but from the video and from what I’ve been reading about the situation that’s not what happened, it sounds like Dilfer’s ego was challenged and this got out of hand. Again I didn’t say he should be fired, but he did lose control and did something that in most places would get a teacher fired. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 20:11:01 GMT -6
I know how my district contract reads, I know what would happen if I did that in my classroom. If the kid was getting in a fight with another person, then yes you separate them and you can move them away, but from the video and from what I’ve been reading about the situation that’s not what happened, it sounds like Dilfer’s ego was challenged and this got out of hand. Again I didn’t say he should be fired, but he did lose control and did something that in most places would get a teacher fired. and we know this from the video? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 20:16:22 GMT -6
If THATS gets him fired, THAT IS DISGUSTING. I might be joining larrymoe. |
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 30, 2021 20:16:36 GMT -6
From what I read the kid ran the wrong route, when he returned to the sideline and was questioned/called out/whatever about it he flat lost his $hiz. Dilfer tried to bring him down and it escalated to the point of the kid getting out of control.
Dilfer and the kids father played in the league together and he has known the kid his entire life. All I can say is any team I ever coached on, you throw your helmet like that and hell was about to be unleashed on you at the next practice. That is like the unforgivable sin. Also you are done for the night.
People acting like he hit him with a cattle prod.
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 20:18:47 GMT -6
From what I read the kid ran the wrong route, when he returned to the sideline and was questioned/called out/whatever about it he flat lost his $hiz. Dilfer tried to bring him down and it escalated to the point of the kid getting out of control. Dilfer and the kids father played in the league together and he has known the kid his entire life. All I can say is any team I ever coached on, you throw your helmet like that and hell was about to be unleashed on you at the next practice. That is like the unforgivable sin. Also you are done for the night. People acting like he hit him with a cattle prod. so the kid was an as {censored}hmmm who woulda thunk it |
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Post by CS on Aug 31, 2021 4:43:43 GMT -6
I know how my district contract reads, I know what would happen if I did that in my classroom. If the kid was getting in a fight with another person, then yes you separate them and you can move them away, but from the video and from what I’ve been reading about the situation that’s not what happened, it sounds like Dilfer’s ego was challenged and this got out of hand. Again I didn’t say he should be fired, but he did lose control and did something that in most places would get a teacher fired. Comparing Friday night lights to the classroom is comparing apples to oranges. |
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Post by CS on Aug 31, 2021 4:59:45 GMT -6
Context in this situation is everything. I’de bet my left nut that if the kid spit in Dillfers face before this incident y’all would be like”He’s a better man than me!”
And if you voted that he should be suspended for this get the fuk out of here. You may not agree with it and I don’t necessarily agree with it but sh!t happens in the moment and he didn’t cross a lose his job/suspension line at all in my opinion. He apologized and that should be the end of it
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Post by blb on Aug 31, 2021 6:18:36 GMT -6
A former player of mine grabbed a kid by the jersey when he was trying to correct him and kid started to walk away.
Kid's parents went to administration, told them if they didn't take action they were going to police to press charges of assault against the coach.
He "resigned" for "personal reasons."
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Aug 31, 2021 9:17:50 GMT -6
Context in this situation is everything. I’de bet my left nut that if the kid spit in Dillfers face before this incident y’all would be like”He’s a better man than me!” And if you voted that he should be suspended for this get the fuk out of here. You may not agree with it and I don’t necessarily agree with it but sh!t happens in the moment and he didn’t cross a lose his job/suspension line at all in my opinion. He apologized and that should be the end of it The issue isn’t what I personally feel as to whether he was warranted or not in his reaction, it’s what our contracts say about behavior and how schools and unions will react. |
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Post by coachcb on Aug 31, 2021 11:00:11 GMT -6
Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. Except the authority figure was wrong in this situation. I thing suspension is fair. If Dilfer was a regular teacher he most likely would have been fired by now. It was a bad move, suspend him and let it know this is his one and only second chance. The difference between this and the What abputs involving adults is this was an adult and a kid. The adult should de escalate the situation, not make it worse.
I've only been fired from one coaching job and it was over a situation like this. A kid told me to "f--- off" on the sideline during the second to last game of the year. I lost my cool, grabbed him by the jersey and started hollering at him in front of a stand filled with parents. I was dismissed from the team the following Monday for it. I think a suspension would've been more appropriate (I had a "clean record") but I understand why I was terminated.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 31, 2021 11:59:27 GMT -6
I am with this. One time I went to break up a fight and when pushed one kid away he lost his balance and fell. I thought I was getting fired. It was on film and you tell it was wonky and not intentional. That’s the closest I’ve been. Saying EVERY is just simply not true And that's exactly where they want you as an authority figure. Coaches are afraid of their admins. Administration is afraid of the parents. Parents are afraid of their kids. And kids aren't afraid of anything. Yes, I agree with you, but that wasn't the intent of my post. My point is that I accidentally bumped a kid. I felt terrible. I was supported by the administration in this case. The ultimate point is that not every coach is out there putting hands on kids! But your point is valid. I have a general distrust of authority and I think it is based mostly on the intentions of those in power. |
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