moose18
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"If it didn't matter who won or lost, they wouldn't keep score"
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Post by moose18 on Aug 30, 2021 12:22:26 GMT -6
I'm sure you've all seen the clip from Friday night. It's all over social media. I'm surprised there isn't a thread on here already. Would love to hear some opinions.
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 12:47:13 GMT -6
what did he do?
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moose18
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"If it didn't matter who won or lost, they wouldn't keep score"
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Post by moose18 on Aug 30, 2021 12:51:11 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Aug 30, 2021 12:52:00 GMT -6
tog :
Yes, I think he screwed up; putting hands on a player like that isn't kosher. However, firing him would be overkill, IMO.
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Post by blb on Aug 30, 2021 12:55:03 GMT -6
If the parent(s) get involved, he may be done.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 14:20:27 GMT -6
If the parent(s) get involved, he may be done. The kids' dad is Phil Dawson and he's an assistant coach on the team. |
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Post by blb on Aug 30, 2021 15:00:38 GMT -6
If the parent(s) get involved, he may be done. The kids' dad is Phil Dawson and he's an assistant coach on the team. Saving Grace for Dilfer? |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 15:50:29 GMT -6
The kids' dad is Phil Dawson and he's an assistant coach on the team. Saving Grace for Dilfer? Idk. I do know no one outside that school or at that game would give two craps about this "incident" if Trent Dilfer wasn't involved. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 17:25:44 GMT -6
needs more context, what did the kid do?
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 17:31:40 GMT -6
I wonder what would have happened if Billick would have put his hands on Dilfer like that.....
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 17:34:31 GMT -6
I wonder what would have happened if Billick would have put his hands on Dilfer like that..... If they won the Super Bowl? Not a damn thing. In case you haven't noticed, people have selective amnesia when you win. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 17:37:50 GMT -6
needs more context, what did the kid do? Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. |
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Post by coachdubyah on Aug 30, 2021 17:43:31 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this.
We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 17:46:16 GMT -6
I wonder what would have happened if Billick would have put his hands on Dilfer like that..... If they won the Super Bowl? Not a damn thing. In case you haven't noticed, people have selective amnesia when you win. You misunderstood. My point was I wonder what Dilfer would have done had Billick done the same thing. Essentially highlighting that Dilfer was taking advantage of the fact that he is a grown man and former professional athlete with a noticeable advantage in height, weight and probably strength than the student he was pushing all over the field. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 17:51:38 GMT -6
If they won the Super Bowl? Not a damn thing. In case you haven't noticed, people have selective amnesia when you win. You misunderstood. My point was I wonder what Dilfer would have done had Billick done the same thing. Essentially highlighting that Dilfer was taking advantage of the fact that he is a grown man and former professional athlete with a noticeable advantage in height, weight and probably strength than the student he was pushing all over the field. I see. I thought you meant how society would act. I'm sure this happened to Dilfer. Probably as a pro. Who knows how he would have reacted? There's a zillion factors that come into play. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 17:58:59 GMT -6
needs more context, what did the kid do? Doesn’t matter. In the context of these sorts of public shamings, they're all innocent angels. Authority figures are always in the wrong. you are not wrong but for me to say if it is was appropriate or not what did the kid actually do? |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 18:01:04 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this. We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying. "guilty" may be the wrong word depends on what the kid did we had a kid once as "whose diiiiickkk do I have to suck to get on the field" a "star" wr, that was already benched for other benchable actions that I did something very close to the dilfer thing I don't feel guilty in the least had cops take that kid out, and was gone from the team after that |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 18:02:17 GMT -6
You misunderstood. My point was I wonder what Dilfer would have done had Billick done the same thing. Essentially highlighting that Dilfer was taking advantage of the fact that he is a grown man and former professional athlete with a noticeable advantage in height, weight and probably strength than the student he was pushing all over the field. I see. I thought you meant how society would act. I'm sure this happened to Dilfer. Probably as a pro. Who knows how he would have reacted? There's a zillion factors that come into play. I am fairly sure you are wrong on that. I do not think that Dilfer was ever grabbed by the breast plate and pushed backwards by the person who was actively yelling at him. If he was ever "manhandled" like that as a pro, it was to separate him from someone else |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 18:03:43 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this. We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying. I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 18:21:30 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this. We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying. I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. maybe you have been around milquetoast kids some of the stuff that I have been through was justified beyond doubt but doubt I would be backed up by today's pansy virtue signal admin and cancel culture bs social media so glad I am out so glad you young guys have fun with it |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 18:22:22 GMT -6
I see. I thought you meant how society would act. I'm sure this happened to Dilfer. Probably as a pro. Who knows how he would have reacted? There's a zillion factors that come into play. I am fairly sure you are wrong on that. I do not think that Dilfer was ever grabbed by the breast plate and pushed backwards by the person who was actively yelling at him. If he was ever "manhandled" like that as a pro, it was to separate him from someone else OK. Neither of us have any idea and any attempt to act like you do is an exercise in defending your own position. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 18:22:45 GMT -6
still not knowing what the kid did
this poll is meaningless
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 18:23:45 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this. We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying. I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. So, your sticking point is that he's bigger? It's acceptable as long as the kid is bigger than you? |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 18:26:46 GMT -6
when my jr hi, hs, and college coach (forrest gregg) all yanked my be the facemask and pushed me around (I was bigger than all of them)
I listened
I was in the wrong
maybe I am just born too late to understand this generation that has been destroyed from within by ayers and company teaching at u of ill spreading all the bullcorn
too many folks offended by stuff these days
geez
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Post by kylem56 on Aug 30, 2021 18:28:50 GMT -6
You misunderstood. My point was I wonder what Dilfer would have done had Billick done the same thing. Essentially highlighting that Dilfer was taking advantage of the fact that he is a grown man and former professional athlete with a noticeable advantage in height, weight and probably strength than the student he was pushing all over the field. I see. I thought you meant how society would act. I'm sure this happened to Dilfer. Probably as a pro. Who knows how he would have reacted? There's a zillion factors that come into play. exactly I was asked about this at work today. My first question was, what did the kid exactly say? Did he get combative? Was Dilfer removing him from a situation? With social media we can distort pictures and video clips to whatever our liking is. I happen to know the Principal of their rival school and he has said Dilfer has been nothing but good for that school. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 18:38:07 GMT -6
I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. So, your sticking point is that he's bigger? It's acceptable as long as the kid is bigger than you? No it isn't. My point is that human nature as it is, it is less likely that someone attempts that against someone larger or in a better position to "defend" (I put in parenthesis because this wasn't a true attack) But lets flip the situation. Lets say the kid in question is Maason Smith (the 6-6 315 DL who is a Frosh at LSU this year). I am betting the video looks a bit different. And suppose the HC was say Doug Flutie, and the KID grabbed Flutie and started pushing him all over the sideline yelling at him. Or say it is 72+ year old Jt Curtis and the player is just pushing him around the sideline. I am betting the members of this board would view the situation substantially different. |
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Post by Defcord on Aug 30, 2021 18:38:37 GMT -6
And every COACH acts like they’ve never made a mistake like this. We’re all guilty of this at some point in our career…if you haven’t you’re lying. I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. I am with this. One time I went to break up a fight and when pushed one kid away he lost his balance and fell. I thought I was getting fired. It was on film and you tell it was wonky and not intentional. That’s the closest I’ve been. Saying EVERY is just simply not true |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 30, 2021 18:39:32 GMT -6
I see. I thought you meant how society would act. I'm sure this happened to Dilfer. Probably as a pro. Who knows how he would have reacted? There's a zillion factors that come into play. exactly I was asked about this at work today. My first question was, what did the kid exactly say? Did he get combative? Was Dilfer removing him from a situation? With social media we can distort pictures and video clips to whatever our liking is. I happen to know the Principal of their rival school and he has said Dilfer has been nothing but good for that school. This brings up a good point that I wasn't considering. If Dilfer was removing him from the situation, and wasn't just "mad at him" (for lack of a better term) for talking back to him then that is completely different. From looking at the video, and the context given it seemed he was pissed at the kid. Not just amped up and removing the kid from a different situation. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 30, 2021 18:46:08 GMT -6
I have NEVER physically grabbed and manhandled a player smaller than me while yelling at them. NEVER. I also have NO IDEA why this is somehow considered acceptable to the degree that it is believed that everyone has done that before? Seriously. I am with this. One time I went to break up a fight and when pushed one kid away he lost his balance and fell. I thought I was getting fired. It was on film and you tell it was wonky and not intentional. That’s the closest I’ve been. Saying EVERY is just simply not true And that's exactly where they want you as an authority figure. Coaches are afraid of their admins. Administration is afraid of the parents. Parents are afraid of their kids. And kids aren't afraid of anything. |
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Post by tog on Aug 30, 2021 18:56:08 GMT -6
this is all moot until we know what the kid did
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