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Post by gldnglv165 on Feb 21, 2007 5:08:15 GMT -6
I know this coach, and while I have my own opinions about him, he is a competitor and is a consistant winner. I think he may have gone too far to prove a point, or to discipline his team, but don't think he was out of control. He was also not the only one "exercising" his team at this camp. Other teams were running laps for leaving trash around the school this camp was held at. What are the limits for using exercise to enforce rules or punishment? We have kids do push-ups, up-downs, or run laps carrying their girlfriend (tackling dummy). I know you can motivate more with love than fear, but I think the school went a little overboard here. www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=43726 |
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Post by bigcroz on Feb 21, 2007 7:43:07 GMT -6
unbelievable!!!! I guess I should be fired as well because that seems like something that I too would have the boys do for leaving trash around. They have to learn at some point that there are consequences for everything thay do. If they fire me for teaching them life lessons then so be it.
Also, I would be willing to be that for every Dr. that says that 200 pushups in 2 hours can cause damage there is one that will poo poo that notion. Being ex-Army, I have been made to do twice that many and not even blink. At this rate we will be playing flag football so that noone can have body contact which COULD cause an injury!!!
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 21, 2007 8:21:36 GMT -6
200 hundred push ups in sets of 20 over a two hour practice? And they fire a coach for that? And I presume these are the sons of military men you'd think they'd be a little tougher then to whine about something like that.
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Post by coachseven on Feb 21, 2007 8:40:19 GMT -6
Are you kidding me  I promise you I'm getting fired. I thought I was going to read that he hit a kid. 200 push-ups? I think I know that doctor he is the same one we send our kids to that says "oh you have a bruise so you need two weeks of no activity to allow the tissue to recover." I was in the Military and I was in Germany and we did 200 push-ups every morning in PT. I wish I would have known it was damaging I wonder if it is too late to sue the goverment. I seem to remember doing over 1000 in a day during basic training. |
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Post by gldnglv165 on Feb 21, 2007 9:58:39 GMT -6
Yes, the majority of our players are military dependants. You would think that they would be a little tougher...and some probably are, but for some reason, we put out quite a few of the "sensitive" types. I can't believe this happened either. I showed this story to the coaches at our school and we all agreed that we should probably be fired as well. Especially when you consider that this happened during the first week of the season, which is the time you are 1: establishing high standards of conduct and discipline and 2: building strength and conditioning to PREVENT future injuries for when the pads come on. I think it's unbelievable, and especially when this guy has been at his school for a while now and has won multiple championships in both football and basketball. I hear you seven, that doctor was probably some pencil neck who got beat up by football players when he was in school. Maybe this will start a movement to drop football and go to flag football!  |
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Post by brophy on Feb 21, 2007 10:06:27 GMT -6
I know this coach, and while I have my own opinions about him, he is a competitor and is a consistant winner. I think he may have gone too far to prove a point, or to discipline his team, but don't think he was out of control. He was also not the only one "exercising" his team at this camp. Other teams were running laps for leaving trash around the school this camp was held at. What are the limits for using exercise to enforce rules or punishment? We have kids do push-ups, up-downs, or run laps carrying their girlfriend (tackling dummy). I know you can motivate more with love than fear, but I think the school went a little overboard here. www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=43726Standards for acceptable behavior.....Group accountability........running long-distance (cardiovascular health) you say it like it's a bad thing. I think the limits are when the punishment puts the kid in PHYSICAL danger of injury (not mental). Making a kid do seat rolls in broken glass.....making a kid jump off a building....or something. Pushups, ladders, suicides, really long runs.....most kids already have their physicals before they come out for sports, so what risk are you running of "pushing the envelope"? |
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Post by bigcroz on Feb 21, 2007 11:16:47 GMT -6
while stationed in germany 92' to 94' I was the DC at K-Town HS(a DODDS school) and we had them doing way more push ups than that.....heck I think I even remember some sprints.
Seven- I think I need to look into that suing the government for all those push ups they made me do...I feel like my muscles have been damaged from it...LOL what was that DR's name again I might need him to testify for me!!!!
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Post by CVBears on Feb 21, 2007 13:18:41 GMT -6
This is rediculous. I can't believe a coach would get fired for this. I wonder if there were any unerlying issues the coach had and this was an avenue that presented itself and the admisitration used the opportunity?
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Post by coachjoe3 on Feb 21, 2007 16:04:00 GMT -6
200 pushups? In my day (late 80s), that wasn't a punishment, it was the order of the day, every day, during the conditioning portion of the season.
I don't think the idea to complain occured to any of us on the team. If we wanted to play, we just got the work done.
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Post by fbdoc on Feb 21, 2007 16:16:27 GMT -6
If there is no player or parent to step up and say that the coach was "Right" for disciplining the team, then it's probably not a good place to coach. Sorry to hear of any coach getting the ax, especially for a bogus reason like this, but, its better to find out now.
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Post by kboyd on Feb 21, 2007 20:50:13 GMT -6
There has to be consequences for actions, both positive and negative. If we do not teach this lesson as coaches and parents then we are setting our kids up for problems. People whine that kids are getting into trouble, but there is a big problem with adults holding the kids accountable. This is another example of someone being what I feel is unjustly punished for trying to teach a life lesson to kids.
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Post by chewy on Feb 22, 2007 8:17:51 GMT -6
I think the schools power to discipline with giving licks was great in its day. Too bad we cannot have people with enough sense to know how to handle it properly. Those few bad seeds that over used it are the ones that ruined it.
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Post by gamedog on Feb 22, 2007 10:16:58 GMT -6
Just another example of why this country won't be around in the same size or form in the next 50-100 years.
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Post by playfast on Feb 22, 2007 12:36:42 GMT -6
Crazy
That is where society is going. No discipiline. A head coach in my area discipilined a player and the administration overruled him. Caused a big problem and the coach resigned in the middle of the year and the principal and ad took over the team. They did not win another game all year and this year only won one with a new coach.
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Post by cc on Feb 22, 2007 20:32:38 GMT -6
I talked to our admin and they thought that was insane. Esp over 2 hours. Nothing wrong with it. Guess I don't have to worry as much. How about you guys? Would / have you brought this up with your admin? Maybe we are too old school?  |
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Post by Yash on Feb 23, 2007 3:28:04 GMT -6
Wow, we wouldn't have a staff if this guy got fired for only 200 push ups. we run more than the cross country team.
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Post by wingman on Feb 23, 2007 13:45:25 GMT -6
What a bunch of candy a**es!! We have had guys do 200 up-downs in a row, bear crawl around the track etc etc. Girls could do 200 pushups in TWO HOURS.
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Post by coachjim on Mar 4, 2007 2:14:44 GMT -6
I haven't gotten a lot of responses yet on my youth discipline question thread. What if these kids were 8-10 years old? Is 200 too many? They barely do them propertly as it is. At youth level, not to sidetrack the thread, how many push ups are too many? (Ages 8-10). I'm assuming you guys are discussing college or HS. Just curious if opinions change drastically when you knock off a couple of years.
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