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Post by option1 on Aug 14, 2021 17:08:24 GMT -6
We are required to use a wet bulb thermometer here. Depending on the reading it limits the length of practice and how often we have to take breaks or whether we can be outside at all. The other day we had to go in the field-house in the middle of practice for a cool off before we were able to start practice again. I don't understand why this isn't the standard. Its annoying, but safer all around. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 14, 2021 17:17:08 GMT -6
It would be safest to just not have sports.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2021 17:25:02 GMT -6
We are required to use a wet bulb thermometer here. Depending on the reading it limits the length of practice and how often we have to take breaks or whether we can be outside at all. The other day we had to go in the field-house in the middle of practice for a cool off before we were able to start practice again. I don't understand why this isn't the standard. Its annoying, but safer all around. I dont know the specifics but in the state of georgia, there are guide lines on when to and not to practice via temp/heat index/whatever. My guess is this is true in most states |
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Post by wolverine55 on Aug 14, 2021 19:23:19 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night.
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 14, 2021 20:18:11 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night. Unless something has changed in the past two years, this must be a threshold set by their district because as far as I know, there is no state rules. |
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Post by Mark Calaway on Aug 14, 2021 22:09:52 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night. Illinois is just as gross as CA and NY anymore. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 15, 2021 6:19:10 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night. Illinois is just as gross as CA and NY anymore. In a lot of ways it's worse. |
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 15, 2021 8:11:05 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night. Illinois is just as gross as CA and NY anymore. How is California catching strays here? |
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 15, 2021 10:01:00 GMT -6
Our state doesn't require a wet bulb it is suggested. When our state requires it and make sure everyone follows it then will see. There can be a lot of reasons behind a death and going by a story from social media as being the final say is feeble.
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Post by blb on Aug 15, 2021 10:07:26 GMT -6
There can be a lot of reasons behind a death and going by a story from social media as being the final say is feeble. What are you referring to with that sentence? There has been no such example on this thread. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 15, 2021 12:16:50 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if there's a set guideline in Iowa. We actually had a JV game canceled a few years ago because we played an IL team and it wasn't supposed to get below the threshold until 8 or 8:30 that night. Here's the thing, though. I can't remember an instance when a kid died during a game of heat-related causes. It seems that the vast majority of these deaths occur during practices. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 15, 2021 12:21:52 GMT -6
Our state doesn't require a wet bulb it is suggested. When our state requires it and make sure everyone follows it then will see. There can be a lot of reasons behind a death and going by a story from social media as being the final say is feeble. I disagree. There aren't "a lot of reasons behind a death". As I stated earlier, the VAST majority of these deaths fall into 1 of 2 categories. And anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that deaths related to overexertion during excessive heat are far more common than kids dying from an undiagnosed heart condition. |
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 15, 2021 12:57:17 GMT -6
I was at a school, first year there as an assistant, we were in our first day of summer camp. Had a good first practice, no conditioning, just drills, not in pads, got done about 10 am. The player cleans up and goes to work. Works his shift, goes home for supper. He does his normal stuff, gets down to do his pushups before going to bed and dies. They knew he had a large heart. He did football all through school, in fact he was a senior.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 15, 2021 13:11:59 GMT -6
I was at a school, first year there as an assistant, we were in our first day of summer camp. Had a good first practice, no conditioning, just drills, not in pads, got done about 10 am. The player cleans up and goes to work. Works his shift, goes home for supper. He does his normal stuff, gets down to do his pushups before going to bed and dies. They knew he had a large heart. He did football all through school, in fact he was a senior. That's a sad story. |
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 15, 2021 19:45:35 GMT -6
Probably because the conditioning drills were gassers or running a mile, you know, stuff a player has to do during a game all the time. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 15, 2021 20:55:03 GMT -6
Probably because the conditioning drills were gassers or running a mile, you know, stuff a player has to do during a game all the time. If you die running a mile, you probably shouldn't be engaging in any athletic endeavors. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 15, 2021 21:06:16 GMT -6
I haven't commented on this because I have no idea what happened. We have a former player at Union so I'm really curious but I'll wait until more info comes out before I have anything to say.
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Post by jlenwood on Aug 16, 2021 5:50:02 GMT -6
Probably because the conditioning drills were gassers or running a mile, you know, stuff a player has to do during a game all the time. If you die running a mile, you probably shouldn't be engaging in any athletic endeavors. I guess I shouldn't speculate on what they were doing there. But if you know a kid probably has some health issues, wouldn't you be a little more aware of his conditioning needs? I'm just surprised that this day and age coaches still haven't figured out, with all of the information available, that you can't just plug a kid in day one and "condition" him. So many better and more proven ways to do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 6:11:54 GMT -6
If you die running a mile, you probably shouldn't be engaging in any athletic endeavors. I guess I shouldn't speculate on what they were doing there. But if you know a kid probably has some health issues, wouldn't you be a little more aware of his conditioning needs? I'm just surprised that this day and age coaches still haven't figured out, with all of the information available, that you can't just plug a kid in day one and "condition" him. So many better and more proven ways to do it. I am assuming you are assuming that people operate in reason and logic. You give adults way to much credit. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 16, 2021 6:25:20 GMT -6
If you die running a mile, you probably shouldn't be engaging in any athletic endeavors. I guess I shouldn't speculate on what they were doing there. But if you know a kid probably has some health issues, wouldn't you be a little more aware of his conditioning needs? I'm just surprised that this day and age coaches still haven't figured out, with all of the information available, that you can't just plug a kid in day one and "condition" him. So many better and more proven ways to do it. I mean, we were expected to have a certain level of conditioning on day 1 back in 1994 in D3. I would assume this kid's university had at least the same level of expectations for him to be ready for day one. |
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Post by blb on Aug 16, 2021 6:57:41 GMT -6
Growing up kids have less PE in school and spend more times indoors (and in AC) than previous generations.
Generally speaking their levels of physical fitness and tolerance for strenuous activity appear much lower despite all the organized sports available.
The rise in Juvenile Diabetes and obesity bear this out.
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Post by blb on Aug 16, 2021 7:15:04 GMT -6
At 7am the feels like in Central Illinois was 95 Thursday morning. At 11 pm it was 96 Wednesday night. The dew point Wednesday night was 82 (I don't remember seeing it in the 80s around here before). This past week has not been a good one to talk about avoiding heat around here. And I'm not trying to be overly dickish, just pointing out that at some point, you've got to get over the weather and just get it done. I have no idea how people live in Florida. None. With the rise of Global Warming due to Climate Change this is only going to get worse in years to come. |
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Post by larrymoe on Aug 16, 2021 7:33:50 GMT -6
At 7am the feels like in Central Illinois was 95 Thursday morning. At 11 pm it was 96 Wednesday night. The dew point Wednesday night was 82 (I don't remember seeing it in the 80s around here before). This past week has not been a good one to talk about avoiding heat around here. And I'm not trying to be overly dickish, just pointing out that at some point, you've got to get over the weather and just get it done. I have no idea how people live in Florida. None. With the rise of Global Warming due to Climate Change this is only going to get worse in years to come. Riiiiiiight... It's currently 67 with a dewpoint of 61 (had to check my weather app). |
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Post by blb on Aug 16, 2021 13:54:46 GMT -6
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Post by fkaboneyard on Aug 16, 2021 14:31:15 GMT -6
In the '70's it was global cooling and we were all going to freeze to death. Maybe we'll get back there in the next decade and we can go back to playing games in the rain & the snow and then the worry will be about skinny kids getting hypothermia.
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Post by blb on Aug 16, 2021 16:11:40 GMT -6
In the '70's it was global cooling and we were all going to freeze to death. Maybe we'll get back there in the next decade and we can go back to playing games in the rain & the snow and then the worry will be about skinny kids getting hypothermia. Only ones who would freeze to death from "global cooling" would be survivors of an apocalyptic war that resulted in a Nuclear Winter. Still a possibility. |
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