mfinn
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Post by mfinn on Jul 28, 2021 11:22:19 GMT -6
I was wondering if any of you have specific tips or strategies for moving a player out of a starting role with a lot of reps into one where he’s splitting time.
The obvious answer is a candid conversation, but wanted to know if there was any wisdom to tap into here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 11:34:04 GMT -6
There is zero conversation with kids. The kids play themselves in or out of position. We make those decision in am coaches meeting/film session and occasional pm meetings. Dont like it ? Dont want to practice? Ok. Next.
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Post by chi5hi on Jul 28, 2021 11:45:18 GMT -6
I was wondering if any of you have specific tips or strategies for moving a player out of a starting role with a lot of reps into one where he’s splitting time. The obvious answer is a candid conversation, but wanted to know if there was any wisdom to tap into here. You don't have to make excuses for why you're moving a player. He either wins a spot or he loses it. His choice. Tell him this...you can win it back with hard work and improvement of your techniques. |
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Post by blb on Jul 28, 2021 12:05:34 GMT -6
Post a new Depth Chart showing change(s).
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Post by newt21 on Jul 28, 2021 15:02:26 GMT -6
Be honest with the kids, tell him why and where he can improve. If it’s something out of his control (too small/slow), then don’t be afraid to share that also. They may get butt hurt, but they’ll respect your honesty. Just my .02
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Post by tog on Jul 28, 2021 16:34:23 GMT -6
if you think they need to move or lose playing time
then man up and tell them
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Post by dubber on Jul 28, 2021 19:37:33 GMT -6
I was wondering if any of you have specific tips or strategies for moving a player out of a starting role with a lot of reps into one where he’s splitting time. The obvious answer is a candid conversation, but wanted to know if there was any wisdom to tap into here. You gotta make the change, you do it. Good idea to tell the kid beforehand one on one, coach him up on how to handle it. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 28, 2021 19:45:28 GMT -6
There is zero conversation with kids. The kids play themselves in or out of position. We make those decision in am coaches meeting/film session and occasional pm meetings. Dont like it ? Dont want to practice? Ok. Next. Just checking, are you saying you don’t tell a starter he’s being benched/has lost that spot? A conversation doesn’t change your evaluation and decision but it’s a reasonable and respectful thing to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 20:26:59 GMT -6
There is zero conversation with kids. The kids play themselves in or out of position. We make those decision in am coaches meeting/film session and occasional pm meetings. Dont like it ? Dont want to practice? Ok. Next. Just checking, are you saying you don’t tell a starter he’s being benched/has lost that spot? A conversation doesn’t change your evaluation and decision but it’s a reasonable and respectful thing to do. The way we do it, the way its done, The kid knows. He see it in install, he hears in team install. He has been graded. And in most cases its not just the play. The play is just a result of a building thing. He is an a-hole in the classroom, he skips school, he is skipping and late for multiple practices, he is an a hole at home. And ultimately what has happened is his play, his technique has suffered. He has had 18 billion conversations. But we can and do move kids up and down the depth chart for just being an a-hole, because can, because an assistant woke upon the wrong side of the bed, because a teacher sends a note, or the kid is an a-hole, OR somebody has earned the right, with his effort, his play, his behavior, his attitude, he works hard. And we can collect equipment, we can do things due to who my boss is in this {censored} hole side of town. He does things that i cant do(pigmentation problem) and couldnt dream of doing in this town. And yes, he has that type of support from administration, school board(which is corrupt). |
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sbackes
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Post by sbackes on Jul 28, 2021 20:51:44 GMT -6
Tell them to their face.
A very easy conversation when you have already shared the grade-out from film with everybody.
Once had a Senior center who talked to me and said he didn’t understand why he was pulled from a ballgame for not playing well. I showed him our grade-out sheet. The player that replaced him graded out 12% better.
Kids sometimes think things are about feelings, emotions, how much you like them etc.
When he understood the decision was based purely on making the team better (which I had data for), he understood better and began to work on getting better to find a way on the field.
If they are not ok with doing what is best for the team- get them off your team.
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Post by agap on Jul 28, 2021 21:11:44 GMT -6
We have individual meetings throughout the first couple of weeks just so everybody is on the same page. We tell them where they are on the depth chart and why. These are usually 30 second meetings on the field at practice. We started doing these so there weren't any surprises for the first game.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 30, 2021 10:24:08 GMT -6
I think the big thing here is expect him to not take it well. If you got told you were cut to a part time teacher because it’s what’s best for the school, it would be hard to take it. I know that’s a different situation to us as adults but kids aren’t any happier about bad outcomes than we are.
I also strongly agree with the idea to have to conversation with the student individually, but probably with another adult present just in case the conversation takes a bad turn.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 11:29:27 GMT -6
We have had a bunch of kids who were more than ok not practicing. Take the hit on the depth chart. Why? Because come day they were going to play one way or another. 6-6 300 lbs and sec/power 5 are looking, that f——- er is playing. Same with should have been sec/power 5 6-2 220 tailback. My boss will tell you he is all about discipline but he aint stupid.
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Post by kylem56 on Aug 1, 2021 20:30:06 GMT -6
One of the hard parts about being a leader is having the hard conversations that someone is going to probaly leave pissed off about. Explain to them why you made the decision, what they can work on, and what their role is going forward. Make sure they know you still value them, care about them as a person, its just their vision of helping the team is going to look differently. They will value your honesty over bullchit anyday.
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Post by coachcb on Aug 2, 2021 6:28:14 GMT -6
Just have a frank conversation about why they're losing time/moving and explain what they need to do to fix it. They should have a pretty good idea (if you've coached them) but laying it all out for them is important.
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CoachSP
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Post by CoachSP on Aug 2, 2021 14:34:01 GMT -6
Question for you older guys in the profession. Has the way you deal with this situation changed? I was in school 15-20 years ago and I don't remember coaches having these conversations with me or any teammates.
I think it's the right thing to do. Be up front. Say what you are doing and why. Try to keep up their confidence up and not crush them. Hard conversations are part of leadership.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 2, 2021 14:51:00 GMT -6
One of the benefits of just hitting 30 players on the team, with 13 who you feel comfortable will not die in a varsity game, no need for depth chart! If you aren't getting playing time for us well.....that's your problem!
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Post by canesfan on Aug 3, 2021 20:47:15 GMT -6
It’s not easy but have a conversation.
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