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Post by buck42 on Jul 7, 2021 21:09:13 GMT -6
Hey fellas,
I feel like our team comes out flat too often and I would like to hear what other teams do pregame. I’m specifically talking when you take the field? How are things broken up? How long? Do you go back to the locker room? How king before kickoff? Etc
Thanks in advance
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 8, 2021 12:50:31 GMT -6
I been in several different programs and we've done it differently... just gone out as position groups at appropriate times in order to get ready to play, did the whole team warm up, had the HC just basically say, "Let's go play" and had the HC give the ole 'Knute Rockne' every Friday before storming the field. I've a done a little of the in between too.
I don't know that either way is better or worse, or 'gets everyone up' or leaves them 'flat'.
I would suggest that whatever the personality of the team is that should dictate how you hype or or not. If the culture expects a Knute Rockne, then that is what you need. But if you're not that type of personality, it can come off as flat/fake.
Personally, I've always approached my position group or when I was in charge of a defense the same way. Monday we are going to do Monday work, Tuesday we are going to do Tuesday work, Wednesday we are going to Wednesday work, Thursday we are going to review, and then on Friday we get to show what we've accomplished. Friday is a Friday just Monday was a Monday. That's my personality and it has worked for me.
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Post by blb on Jul 8, 2021 13:36:44 GMT -6
When a team comes out "flat" or "tentative" it may not have anything to do with Pre-Game Warmup. More likely a confidence issue - either Over ("this opponent can't beat us") or Under ("we can't beat this opponent"). If we had to lose I would much rather lose due to the former than the latter. But buck42 since you asked our Pre-Game looked like this: SPECIALTIES 15 minutes - Kickers, Punters, Snappers, Returners 10 minutes, Routes on Air 5 minutes. OL not Specialists remained in lockerroom with OL coach. WARMUP 5-7 minutes. INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE - approximately 5 minutes (however long it took HC - me - to get through my two drills with LBers) INDIVIDUAL OFFENSE - approximately 5 minutes (however long it took me to get through my drill with QB-RBs) H20 TEAM - 1st Offense 10 plays, 2nd Offense 10 plays from +20. If we had enough players we would go Thud vs. a defense, otherwise vs. Air. PUNT +35 FG +10 and in. When we went in depended on when band took the field (usually 15-20 minutes before kickoff). My last several years coaching state required us to be on field five minutes before KO for National Anthem. I would start my Pre-Game "speech" about three minutes before leaving lockerroom. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 8, 2021 13:44:40 GMT -6
We tried to mimic our daily practice routine as much as possible so that by game time we'd physically feel like we were at the beginning of the heavy duty scrimmage part of practice.
We'd come out, do the exact same dynamic stretch we did everyday, go to offensive indy, team O, defensive indy then some team D. Usually started about 5:55. Take it in at 640ish. On the field 655ish.
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Post by buck42 on Jul 8, 2021 15:49:59 GMT -6
Thanks guys…
I don’t think it’s an issue of the culture needing Rockne or us with a lack/over confidence—- something is off.
I think it’s the time between warmups and kick off. I haven’t gone inside in a while bc our locker room is a ways away from the field. Likewise, on the road most locker rooms are far away so we stay on the field. But I may have to switch it up…
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 8, 2021 16:02:32 GMT -6
Thanks guys… I don’t think it’s an issue of the culture needing Rockne or us with a lack/over confidence—- something is off. I think it’s the time between warmups and kick off. I haven’t gone inside in a while bc our locker room is a ways away from the field. Likewise, on the road most locker rooms are far away so we stay on the field. But I may have to switch it up… The only reason we went in was to avoid all the stupid pregame crap. It certainly wasn't because of some rah rah, shake down the thunder speech coming from me. |
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Post by blb on Jul 8, 2021 16:34:04 GMT -6
Thanks guys… I don’t think it’s an issue of the culture needing Rockne or us with a lack/over confidence—- something is off. I think it’s the time between warmups and kick off. I haven’t gone inside in a while bc our locker room is a ways away from the field. Likewise, on the road most locker rooms are far away so we stay on the field. But I may have to switch it up… How far time-wise is lockerroom from field? Walking, say, five minutes in and five minutes back out would be better than lying around in the End Zone for 15 minutes after warming up. |
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Post by buck42 on Jul 8, 2021 16:35:23 GMT -6
Thanks guys… I don’t think it’s an issue of the culture needing Rockne or us with a lack/over confidence—- something is off. I think it’s the time between warmups and kick off. I haven’t gone inside in a while bc our locker room is a ways away from the field. Likewise, on the road most locker rooms are far away so we stay on the field. But I may have to switch it up… The only reason we went in was to avoid all the stupid pregame crap. It certainly wasn't because of some rah rah, shake down the thunder speech coming from me. I have no real good reason for not going inside - other than what I listed…. |
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 9, 2021 7:44:28 GMT -6
I did less pregame the longer I was a head coach. Eventually, the specialists would start at 6:20. Then warm up in offensive group - short offensive group, then short defensive group. We didn’t do team - didn’t see a reason to show opponents snap count or any adjustments we made for the week. Ended up with substitution session so everyone knew who was on the various special teams. At 6:45 the players would put on the shoulder pads and we’d be ready for the national anthem. Maybe a brief pregame speech and we’d be ready to go.
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 9, 2021 9:22:06 GMT -6
We are different. We go out 15 minutes before kick off. Very short agilities then run 6-8 plays then go to the sideline.
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Post by blb on Jul 9, 2021 9:42:59 GMT -6
We are different. We go out 15 minutes before kick off. Very short agilities then run 6-8 plays then go to the sideline. That is definitely different, one end of extremes. My college coach said "You have to get to the game early so you can worry." If we waited until 15 minutes before KO to go out for Warmup I would've had to take up chain smoking. |
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 9, 2021 16:30:54 GMT -6
I guess I don't give them much time to worry. Our pre-game talks are about 10 minutes before we go out. We get to the school (or our school) an hour before kick off. I have so many kids that have to go both ways that I have also found us to "last longer" before the fatigue bites us since I switched to this. And I probably condition our kids as hard as anyone Monday through Wednesday but so many of our opponents can 2 platoon many or most of their team. We never do any pre-game or practice stretching at all. In practice our first activity is very physical so I guess the games are similiar to them. Honestly an hour or more warmup before games would make me chain smoke. For me it's brutal.  |
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Post by mrjvi on Jul 9, 2021 16:33:31 GMT -6
kcbazooka- Maybe a good idea for me to get rid of the 6-8 plays before games also. Thanks
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2021 6:58:18 GMT -6
so is the trending idea is that warmup/pregame is more of a mental exercise than a physical one?
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Post by teachcoach on Jul 10, 2021 14:09:26 GMT -6
I like doing a walk through inside (gym/fieldhouse).
Outside warm up the arms, catch a few balls, knock a few pads. Then kick off and play.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 10, 2021 15:26:41 GMT -6
Hey fellas, I feel like our team comes out flat too often and I would like to hear what other teams do pregame. I’m specifically talking when you take the field? How are things broken up? How long? Do you go back to the locker room? How king before kickoff? Etc Thanks in advance I'll retell this story, because, well because it was just funny and it was almost like a movie it was so surreal. I was at a small school and was both a varsity coach and the JV 'HC'. It was well into the year, region/conference play, and we had a pretty salty JV squad. We had this away JV game and when the bus pulls into the stadium, there's nobody around. I can see some kids up at the field house, but nobody is around. So we get off the bus and I had already established the routine and we get on the field and start warming up. We go all through our routine and are getting near the end and still the other team hasn't come out of the field house. I'm sitting there wondering what in the Hades is going on and keep stretching out the warm up. We finally conclude warm ups and I send the kids to get water. Slowly the other team had started trickling out and the other JV coach comes over and shakes hands and says hello. He then says, "We were wondering why y'all came so early"..... and it dawns on me; I had miscalculated the leave time and we arrived an hour and a half early and I'm like 'oh chyt, what are we going to do?' So, I'm flustered as crap and bullchyt for a while to kill time, then my bright idea as a young coach was that we needed something to fire the kids up (and cover for my humongous brain fart) so I get the kids up, give a quick little speech about getting ready to set the tone. So I announce that we are going to have a go around of Bull in the Ring. Now this wasn't something foreign to the kids and like I said we were a salty bunch that like to lay the leather. So we get set up and start. About this time the other team was in the middle of their warm up script. We are at the other end and the kids are setting off fireworks left and right. The other team just kind of stops right in the middle of their routine and is watching us with their mouths wide open. The kids are so wound up they were ready for blood. The other team never had a chance and we waxed their arses, all on account of me being an idoit. So buck42 you could always try that.  |
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Post by coachtconkle on Aug 17, 2021 19:05:52 GMT -6
That is H I L A R I O U S ! I needed a good laugh. Thank you.
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Post by newhope on Aug 18, 2021 12:26:28 GMT -6
Hey fellas, I feel like our team comes out flat too often and I would like to hear what other teams do pregame. I’m specifically talking when you take the field? How are things broken up? How long? Do you go back to the locker room? How king before kickoff? Etc Thanks in advance Flat during warm ups or flat for the start of games? I don't care if they are business like during warm ups. I've found over the years, different teams have different personalities. Some are vocal rah-rah in practice and in warmups. Others just go about their business. Some fall in between. If you mean come game time? I'm sometimes worried they are too fired up. 5 minutes in that hallway and they're ready to run through walls. Let's just say it's pretty intense in that hallway |
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Post by newhope on Aug 18, 2021 12:29:07 GMT -6
The only reason we went in was to avoid all the stupid pregame crap. It certainly wasn't because of some rah rah, shake down the thunder speech coming from me. I have no real good reason for not going inside - other than what I listed…. I want to be inside. We don't on away games and I don't like it. Too many distractions, etc |
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Post by newhope on Aug 18, 2021 12:31:57 GMT -6
Thanks guys… I don’t think it’s an issue of the culture needing Rockne or us with a lack/over confidence—- something is off. I think it’s the time between warmups and kick off. I haven’t gone inside in a while bc our locker room is a ways away from the field. Likewise, on the road most locker rooms are far away so we stay on the field. But I may have to switch it up… How far time-wise is lockerroom from field? Walking, say, five minutes in and five minutes back out would be better than lying around in the End Zone for 15 minutes after warming up. It's a four minute walk up and a four minute walk back (often takes less than that). I'm with you...prefer that to being in the end zone waiting for the game. Yes, I know, we could just move our times closer to kickoff. |
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Post by coachlit on Aug 18, 2021 18:00:07 GMT -6
It’s all about finding a balance of not being out in the elements too long and allowing too much time to where the kids play grabass in the locker room.
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Post by newhope on Aug 24, 2021 10:16:31 GMT -6
Hey fellas, I feel like our team comes out flat too often and I would like to hear what other teams do pregame. I’m specifically talking when you take the field? How are things broken up? How long? Do you go back to the locker room? How king before kickoff? Etc Thanks in advance I'll retell this story, because, well because it was just funny and it was almost like a movie it was so surreal. I was at a small school and was both a varsity coach and the JV 'HC'. It was well into the year, region/conference play, and we had a pretty salty JV squad. We had this away JV game and when the bus pulls into the stadium, there's nobody around. I can see some kids up at the field house, but nobody is around. So we get off the bus and I had already established the routine and we get on the field and start warming up. We go all through our routine and are getting near the end and still the other team hasn't come out of the field house. I'm sitting there wondering what in the Hades is going on and keep stretching out the warm up. We finally conclude warm ups and I send the kids to get water. Slowly the other team had started trickling out and the other JV coach comes over and shakes hands and says hello. He then says, "We were wondering why y'all came so early"..... and it dawns on me; I had miscalculated the leave time and we arrived an hour and a half early and I'm like 'oh chyt, what are we going to do?' So, I'm flustered as crap and bullchyt for a while to kill time, then my bright idea as a young coach was that we needed something to fire the kids up (and cover for my humongous brain fart) so I get the kids up, give a quick little speech about getting ready to set the tone. So I announce that we are going to have a go around of Bull in the Ring. Now this wasn't something foreign to the kids and like I said we were a salty bunch that like to lay the leather. So we get set up and start. About this time the other team was in the middle of their warm up script. We are at the other end and the kids are setting off fireworks left and right. The other team just kind of stops right in the middle of their routine and is watching us with their mouths wide open. The kids are so wound up they were ready for blood. The other team never had a chance and we waxed their arses, all on account of me being an idoit. So buck42 you could always try that. Coach, if I remember correctly you're from SC? When I coached down there Pageland HS would do a version of that before every game--not exactly bull in the ring but very similar. They scared the living daylights out of their opponents. They were also very good. Their coach at that time just passed away recently...he had those guys playing some physical football. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 25, 2021 5:50:27 GMT -6
I'll retell this story, because, well because it was just funny and it was almost like a movie it was so surreal. I was at a small school and was both a varsity coach and the JV 'HC'. It was well into the year, region/conference play, and we had a pretty salty JV squad. We had this away JV game and when the bus pulls into the stadium, there's nobody around. I can see some kids up at the field house, but nobody is around. So we get off the bus and I had already established the routine and we get on the field and start warming up. We go all through our routine and are getting near the end and still the other team hasn't come out of the field house. I'm sitting there wondering what in the Hades is going on and keep stretching out the warm up. We finally conclude warm ups and I send the kids to get water. Slowly the other team had started trickling out and the other JV coach comes over and shakes hands and says hello. He then says, "We were wondering why y'all came so early"..... and it dawns on me; I had miscalculated the leave time and we arrived an hour and a half early and I'm like 'oh chyt, what are we going to do?' So, I'm flustered as crap and bullchyt for a while to kill time, then my bright idea as a young coach was that we needed something to fire the kids up (and cover for my humongous brain fart) so I get the kids up, give a quick little speech about getting ready to set the tone. So I announce that we are going to have a go around of Bull in the Ring. Now this wasn't something foreign to the kids and like I said we were a salty bunch that like to lay the leather. So we get set up and start. About this time the other team was in the middle of their warm up script. We are at the other end and the kids are setting off fireworks left and right. The other team just kind of stops right in the middle of their routine and is watching us with their mouths wide open. The kids are so wound up they were ready for blood. The other team never had a chance and we waxed their arses, all on account of me being an idoit. So buck42 you could always try that. Coach, if I remember correctly you're from SC? When I coached down there Pageland HS would do a version of that before every game--not exactly bull in the ring but very similar. They scared the living daylights out of their opponents. They were also very good. Their coach at that time just passed away recently...he had those guys playing some physical football. I'm very familiar with Pageland. In fact the coach that is on duty with me right now if from there, as well as the coach I work with in the secondary. In fact at one time we had 3 until one took a HC job. When the Pageland consolidated, they went 44 straight years without a losing season and only 4 times in that span did they not have a winning record. |
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Post by nicku on Aug 29, 2021 13:11:07 GMT -6
A very interesting Twitter thread I stumbled across a week or so ago...
Fresh and rested > "ready"
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Post by nicku on Aug 27, 2023 19:37:15 GMT -6
A very interesting Twitter thread I stumbled across a week or so ago... Fresh and rested > "ready" Super bump here by me and a shot in the dark, but did anyone happen to save or do anything with the Tweet that I embedded in this post? I was trying to find this to show a colleague, but it looks like the tweet is gone... I guess first game of the year reminded me of how much we over-do the pregame stuff |
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Aug 31, 2023 9:36:25 GMT -6
I hated pre-game in college. we used to joke it was like practice before the game.
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Post by sweep26 on Aug 31, 2023 10:32:24 GMT -6
Years ago I watched Coach John Gagliardi's Saint John's University play Central College in an NCAA D-III Play-off game.
Coach Gagliardi's pre-game warm-up was a sight to behold...Never had seen anything like it!!
Talk about unique...it was the epitome of uniqueness. The one thing that still stands out in my memory banks is the way they concluded their warm-up...the entire team was spread out over their half of the field, aligning as if they were going to do some static stretch or cals and on the command of one of their Captains...they all flopped down on the ground, flat on their backs staring up into the sky and yelled, "Have a Great Day!"
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