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Post by oldman61 on May 24, 2021 12:24:21 GMT -6
I put this on the General Board because I know both Offense and Defensive coaches are doing this.
I know it is "easy" and people just say think of anything, but I am terrible about coming up with buckets for calls or putting calls into Families based on names.
We already use NFL teams, college teams, weapons. Trying to come up with other families, What are some you have used in the past and/or currently using?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by newhope on May 24, 2021 12:52:30 GMT -6
Boy names, girl names, cities, states, candy bars, automobiles---sometimes the kids come up with their own names
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Post by coachscdub on May 24, 2021 13:27:08 GMT -6
Cars & Car Models (Ford, Chevy, etc) and Car models fit in the family of the brand Gas Stations (Shell, Chevron, Texaco, etc) Fast food places (Wendys, McDonalds, Arbys) Weather terms (Twister, Tornado, Cyclone, etc) Handheld (Bladed) Weapons (Knife, spear, dagger, sabre, sword) Countries (Portugal/Poland, Serbia/Slovakia, etc) Shoe Brands (Nike, Puma, Adidas) Snake Terms (Venom, Viper, Boa, Cobra, Rattler, etc) Social Media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat) Singers/Music Groups MLB/NFL/NHL/NBA Teams and mascots Pro athletes Streaming platforms (Twitch, Youtube, Netflix, Hulu) Boy/Girl names Mob terms (Gangster, Mobster, Gotti, Godfather)
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Post by coachdavekeller on May 24, 2021 13:45:07 GMT -6
Boy names, girl names, cities, states, candy bars, automobiles---sometimes the kids come up with their own names Whenever possible, I allow the players to come up with play calls because, I have found, players tend to remember the play calls better that way. Plus, it creates ownership.
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Post by blackknight on May 24, 2021 14:02:28 GMT -6
Personel groups: Pony (10), Zebra (11), Mule (12), Stud (21), Hippo (22), Clyde (32), Elephant (6 OL)
Mayberry Offense: Andy (Midline), Barney (Veer), Gomer (right), Floyd (left), Opie (run play the other way), Otis (midline adjustment to a nose)
Directinal Punts (I Love Lucy): Lucy (left), Ricky (right), Mertz (middle or sky)
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Post by fantom on May 24, 2021 14:08:22 GMT -6
Personel groups: Pony (10), Zebra (11), Mule (12), Stud (21), Hippo (22), Clyde (32), Elephant (6 OL) Mayberry Offense: Andy (Midline), Barney (Veer), Gomer (right), Floyd (left), Opie (run play the other way), Otis (midline adjustment to a nose) Directinal Punts (I Love Lucy): Lucy (left), Ricky (right), Mertz (middle or sky) Do the kids have any idea who those people are?
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Post by coachcb on May 24, 2021 14:27:59 GMT -6
I'll be honest, we've bounced around through the years but one of my favorites is grouping them by NFL/college mascots and geography.
Bucksweep: Steeler Buck Trap: Panther (Pitt) Buck DHO Counter: Lion (Penn) Buck Waggle: Eagle Buck Pass: Owl (Temple)
Belly Dive: Niner Belly Sweep: Charger Belly Counter: Trojan (USC) Belly Waggle: Raider (not in LA anymore, I know) Belly Pass: Bear (Cal)
The kids know most of the mascots and easily associate those that they don't.
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Post by blb on May 24, 2021 14:30:40 GMT -6
Personel groups: Pony (10), Zebra (11), Mule (12), Stud (21), Hippo (22), Clyde (32), Elephant (6 OL) Mayberry Offense: Andy (Midline), Barney (Veer), Gomer (right), Floyd (left), Opie (run play the other way), Otis (midline adjustment to a nose) Directinal Punts (I Love Lucy): Lucy (left), Ricky (right), Mertz (middle or sky) Do the kids have any idea who those people are? He may have had some "Splainin'" to do.
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Post by blb on May 24, 2021 14:34:16 GMT -6
Maybe dumb question, but -
Why don't numbers work any more?
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Post by oldman61 on May 24, 2021 15:41:30 GMT -6
Do the kids have any idea who those people are? He may have had some "Splainin'" to do. Mandatory viewing for all kids in between the first two a day practice haha
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Post by coachscdub on May 24, 2021 16:42:42 GMT -6
Maybe dumb question, but - Why don't numbers work any more? They have their place. Maybe this is from a defensive POV to name blitzes. I use names for passing concepts because i dont like using a Route Tree. Code words are also helpful, for ex) Inside Zone = 12/13, Zorro/Zulu, Indy Hot/Cold three ways to call the same play
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Post by oldman61 on May 24, 2021 17:39:42 GMT -6
I was asking from defensive POV. But these offensive guys are slick with these word families
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Post by bluboy on May 24, 2021 18:18:06 GMT -6
Here is some food for thought... Disasters - Quake, Tsunami, Avalanche, Flood, Blizzard, Whiteout, Tornado, Twister, Hurricane Weather - Rain, Thunder, Lightning, Bolt, Hail, Sleet, Snow, Ice Weapons - Axe, Sword, Cutlass, Foil, Knife, Spear, Club, Dagger, Mace, Blade, Lance, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Uzi Heat - Scorch, Sear, Flame, Sizzle, Fire, Steam, Fry, Toast, Roast, Spark Famous Couples - Lucy and Ricki, Sonny and Cher, Anthony and Cleopatra, Bonnie and Clyde, Jack and Jill, Juliet and Romeo
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Post by fballcoachg on May 24, 2021 19:36:48 GMT -6
Maybe dumb question, but - Why don't numbers work any more? I’d have no issue going just numbers, I think number and word is redundant/extra. Number is no different than going “fire/flame” words help for if you are just saying it at the line or calling it out from the sideline, we also tie our pass pro into the word call...no reason numbers couldn’t work though 1/2 is a run right or left etc 11/12 are quick passes 21/22 dropback etc
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Post by coachscdub on May 24, 2021 22:47:33 GMT -6
I forgot super heroes and villains, which are great because they have known actions that can be the signal.
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Post by newhope on May 25, 2021 4:59:22 GMT -6
I was asking from defensive POV. But these offensive guys are slick with these word families Our defensive coaches use word families as well. I'm sure there's some reason that kids remember the word families better than numbers
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Post by coachcb on May 25, 2021 8:18:30 GMT -6
Maybe dumb question, but - Why don't numbers work any more?
They absolutely work; I've bounced around between several calling systems over the years. I like the word/mascot systems just because they cut down on verbiage. I didn't think we could get much simpler than "Belly Dive" or "Bucksweep" until I went back through some old playbooks from my formative years.
And, I'll be honest, the mascots force me to stay in a KISS mindset...
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Post by bobgoodman on May 25, 2021 10:09:09 GMT -6
Has anybody ever done a controlled test of these systems, showing that players decode these things correctly when they hear these signals once they're breathing hard and looking at something? In one test, players would have to decode the fact that something's a color, a geographic location, or whatever; in the other, the details would be spelled out completely by the call without such decoding.
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Post by newhope on May 25, 2021 10:47:04 GMT -6
Has anybody ever done a controlled test of these systems, showing that players decode these things correctly when they hear these signals once they're breathing hard and looking at something? In one test, players would have to decode the fact that something's a color, a geographic location, or whatever; in the other, the details would be spelled out completely by the call without such decoding. Good question. I can tell you that in the early 90s when I first decided to go no-huddle and replace our numbering system with words, we were using both so the kids could translate the numbers into words to make it easier on them. I thought I had it figured out until one of the kids asked why they needed to keep using the numbers? The other kids then piped up--they wanted to get rid of the numbers as well. I would say that was the last time I used numbers but I did have an assistant coaching job afterwards and the HC numbered everything---but in a way I'd never seen done before. I had a very hard time trying to get that stuff straight in my head. He's on my staff now--and loves the word families.
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Post by blackknight on May 25, 2021 11:52:49 GMT -6
Personel groups: Pony (10), Zebra (11), Mule (12), Stud (21), Hippo (22), Clyde (32), Elephant (6 OL) Mayberry Offense: Andy (Midline), Barney (Veer), Gomer (right), Floyd (left), Opie (run play the other way), Otis (midline adjustment to a nose) Directinal Punts (I Love Lucy): Lucy (left), Ricky (right), Mertz (middle or sky) Do the kids have any idea who those people are? Absolutely not!
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Post by bluboy on May 25, 2021 15:16:08 GMT -6
blackknight, you're right. There have been times when we have named something then had to explain to the kids who/what he/it was (in order to make the connection). I guess you just have to think of it as teaching your players cultural literacy. It gets more difficult as one becomes chronologically challenged, as I am.
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Post by blb on May 25, 2021 15:20:54 GMT -6
If you let kids name plays, do you change them from year to year when Seniors graduate?
Do you let your Sub-Varsity kids call them something else?
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Post by chi5hi on May 25, 2021 17:01:00 GMT -6
If you let kids name plays, do you change them from year to year when Seniors graduate? Do you let your Sub-Varsity kids call them something else? EXCELLENT question!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 0:38:10 GMT -6
Kids can call it whatever they want, but they have to talk to me in my language. Especially if you do “traditional” install. And we do.
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Post by newhope on May 26, 2021 7:24:20 GMT -6
If you let kids name plays, do you change them from year to year when Seniors graduate? Do you let your Sub-Varsity kids call them something else? We tend to change up the calls every few years, so no big deal if JV uses something different. Sometimes we've changed them up because one of our assistants become HC at an opposing school.....but I've found out that sometimes I worry about that too much because it didn't matter much on what we were calling on the field---but more so with the signals off the sideline. When we first started doing this stuff in the 90s, I had a former coach ask me "won't the other team pick up on those calls if you say them out loud?"----my response was, and still is, "we got players who can't pick them up in the time it takes to play a game, I'm not worried about the other team doing it"
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Post by morris on May 27, 2021 4:09:04 GMT -6
We’ve done this a few different ways.
Families: we have used general categories with no definitive term. For example any sports team in Pennsylvania told the OL it was pass protection. Any superhero was power. We had to add directional indicators
Word association: Indianapolis starts with I so Colts is inside zone. Once again you need a direction indicator unless you do something like the popular city/mascot or whatever. Colleges mean one thing Pro means another and so on.
What we are going to try is a combination of numbers and words. So all “10” calls like 11, 12, 13, etc might be IZ along with a couple of words. I think it’s easier for a defense to put together a play calling change that is just words opposed to hearing a series of different numbers. I know of a pretty successful coaching group that uses 2/3 for gap scheme 4/5 for zone. So for example they just say 2 Smack and off they go.
One thing we do is we don’t teach players the traditional names. So we don’t say this is Power and the code names are this. It adds a level of decoding. We also make sure we use the same terms on defense. If the team runs GH counter we say they run jets in this formation.
As far as categories go there is a massive amount you could use.
Organs/Body parts Fast Food Food TV/TV characters Movies/Movie characters Songs/singers/bands/rappers Word association like Lock: chain, Key, Bolt States Cities Mascots: Coverdale used opponent mascots at times Video Game references Teachers Things in the community Cars/makes/models/types of transportation Colors
I don’t know the technical term for this but when you use words that parts of the word is used a memory reference. Like Hag for Hitch and Go. DOT drag with an Outside Two. Swag Switch And Dig.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 8:54:27 GMT -6
Or go bill Walsh. He wrote a book about his time at Stanford. And I believe, and I may very well have it wrong as it’s 25 yrs since read that book, he didn’t word associate anything.
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Post by chi5hi on May 27, 2021 10:20:25 GMT -6
We use numbers, but words are also needed for specific things that a number cannot communicate. Someone listening to our play call will recognize the Wing-T style of call, although we are not a Wing-T offense.
When a word is needed we try to use one that makes relative sense. For example...for a screen pass, the word is "door". For Counter, the word is "sink". For Draw, it's "bridge". Since we use SAB (super angle) track blocking for Power, so the word for Power is "Angle".
Since we call audibles at the line, we use odd numbered holes to our right, and even numbers to our left. Defenses know that the #1 hole is the left A-Gap and the #6 hole is off tackle to the right. We don't have a #4 hole or a #5 hole.
Our "1/31 Broom" is Sweep Right (right D-Gap). The counter-trap off of that is "3/28 RAT" (rat trap) hitting the left A-Gap.
Another word (as a base) we use is BEAR. There are brown bears that go to the right...black bears go left, and polar bears just smash up the middle.
We try to use words of few syllables. The more guttural they sound the easier they are to "Bark Out", rather than "sing". "HUT" is better than "HIKE", at least in our dictionary.
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Post by newhope on May 27, 2021 11:15:19 GMT -6
Or go bill Walsh. He wrote a book about his time at Stanford. And I believe, and I may very well have it wrong as it’s 25 yrs since read that book, he didn’t word associate anything. I don't think anyone said you had to word associate anything. There are obviously tons of coaches who don't. I doubt Lombardi or Bryant did.
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Post by newhope on May 27, 2021 11:19:44 GMT -6
I do have a little story on using words (at my age you have a little story on everything). We had a pass play we ran inside the five or for two points. We used it a lot. We called it TED. TD....that was the association. We're at Thursday practice...going through scripted practice....get to two point play...I yell "TED" to the QB. He starts shouting "EFT, EFT, EFT" as they run on the field. They line up and run it. When they come back to the sidelines I ask him what the EFT stuff is about "Every f'ing time, coach, every f'ing time" It might be an understatement to say they had confidence in the play.
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