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Post by tripsclosed on May 22, 2021 19:10:11 GMT -6
In the following video, Karl Scott (former DB coach at Bama under Saban) says 1 v 1 is a bull$#it drill...Do you agree?
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Post by coachscdub on May 22, 2021 20:47:11 GMT -6
Yes.
However, if you're a heavy man team it is less bull$#!7
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Post by CoachF on May 25, 2021 12:07:52 GMT -6
We run a lot of man (press and off). 1 on 1 develops confidence and forces competition. Generally when we do 1 on 1 I am the QB and I make sure to release the ball in about 2.7. If I don't that would be a win for the defensive back.
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2021 12:19:54 GMT -6
In the following video, Karl Scott (former DB coach at Bama under Saban) says 1 v 1 is a bull$#it drill...Do you agree? I started watching but stopped when I saw how long it is. For the purposes of this discussion could you specify the spot on the video where he says this and/or summarize exactly what he says?
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Post by Defcord on May 25, 2021 15:27:32 GMT -6
I did not watch it but I was just going on this rant the other day.
I was an offensive linemen and thought 1 v 1s with the Defensive Line were stupid most of the time.
As a DB coach I feel the same exact way.
I am not against one on ones in general. The problem is that too often coaches are running them trying to see who will “win” instead of using them as a way to get better.
I like to run them situationally. Like we might go down to the goalline and tell our kids they like to run slants and fades on the goalline and then ask the offensive guys to run slants and fades.
At a lot of places when you run 1 v 1s you are getting double moves and crossing routes at the LOS and all kinds of stuff from the offensive scoundrels. They take the snap, 9 seconds later they complete a 137 yard stop and go and stop and go again for a long TD and my DB looks at me like “sorry coach...”
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Post by morris on May 25, 2021 17:23:30 GMT -6
For us I feel 1 on 1s are important. We have a few different ways we do them. Now when we do them they are almost always vertical routes. When I say that I mean it’s a fade or seam route. The DB knows it. The WR knows it. The QB knows it. 1-2-3 and ball is gone. The only other thing we’ll add is a stop at 10 yards if the WR can’t close the distance but we don’t do that much. We have a separate drill for that most of the time.
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2021 18:46:52 GMT -6
For us I feel 1 on 1s are important. We have a few different ways we do them. Now when we do them they are almost always vertical routes. When I say that I mean it’s a fade or seam route. The DB knows it. The WR knows it. The QB knows it. 1-2-3 and ball is gone. The only other thing we’ll add is a stop at 10 yards if the WR can’t close the distance but we don’t do that much. We have a separate drill for that most of the time. Why? The route that worried me the most was the slant.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 25, 2021 20:46:34 GMT -6
In the following video, Karl Scott (former DB coach at Bama under Saban) says 1 v 1 is a bull$#it drill...Do you agree? I started watching but stopped when I saw how long it is. For the purposes of this discussion could you specify the spot on the video where he says this and/or summarize exactly what he says? Around 16:00 mark to about 16:20 mark
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Post by carookie on May 25, 2021 21:02:01 GMT -6
I did not watch it but I was just going on this rant the other day. I was an offensive linemen and thought 1 v 1s with the Defensive Line were stupid most of the time. As a DB coach I feel the same exact way. I am not against one on ones in general. The problem is that too often coaches are running them trying to see who will “win” instead of using them as a way to get better. I like to run them situationally. Like we might go down to the goalline and tell our kids they like to run slants and fades on the goalline and then ask the offensive guys to run slants and fades. At a lot of places when you run 1 v 1s you are getting double moves and crossing routes at the LOS and all kinds of stuff from the offensive scoundrels. They take the snap, 9 seconds later they complete a 137 yard stop and go and stop and go again for a long TD and my DB looks at me like “sorry coach...” This is a problem I have with how a number coaches design their practices in general.
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Post by fantom on May 25, 2021 21:27:13 GMT -6
I started watching but stopped when I saw how long it is. For the purposes of this discussion could you specify the spot on the video where he says this and/or summarize exactly what he says? Around 16:00 mark to about 16:20 mark OK for what they're doing it makes sense. If you don't do a lot of switching I think there's value to 1 on 1.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 25, 2021 22:12:54 GMT -6
Around 16:00 mark to about 16:20 mark OK for what they're doing it makes sense. If you don't do a lot of switching I think there's value to 1 on 1. By switching are you referring to the quarters switch call?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 22:57:14 GMT -6
OK for what they're doing it makes sense. If you don't do a lot of switching I think there's value to 1 on 1. By switching are you referring to the quarters switch call? if you are playing all the combinations saban plays...it makes sense on the surface.
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Post by mc140 on May 25, 2021 23:01:36 GMT -6
Personally like to practice 1v1 inside the ten since we are typically man in that situation. Specifically covering slants and back pylon fades. I do agree 1v1 where the Qb sits there for 4 seconds as the wr runs down the field is not too helpful.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 26, 2021 8:19:25 GMT -6
By switching are you referring to the quarters switch call? if you are playing all the combinations saban plays...it makes sense on the surface. You mean all the 4 over 3, 3 over 2, and 2 over 1 combos, right?
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Post by 19delta on May 26, 2021 10:47:04 GMT -6
I did not watch it but I was just going on this rant the other day. I was an offensive linemen and thought 1 v 1s with the Defensive Line were stupid most of the time. As a DB coach I feel the same exact way. I am not against one on ones in general. The problem is that too often coaches are running them trying to see who will “win” instead of using them as a way to get better. I like to run them situationally. Like we might go down to the goalline and tell our kids they like to run slants and fades on the goalline and then ask the offensive guys to run slants and fades. At a lot of places when you run 1 v 1s you are getting double moves and crossing routes at the LOS and all kinds of stuff from the offensive scoundrels. They take the snap, 9 seconds later they complete a 137 yard stop and go and stop and go again for a long TD and my DB looks at me like “sorry coach...” This is a problem I have with how a number coaches design their practices in general. It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 26, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6
This is a problem I have with how a number coaches design their practices in general. It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. Lol #theworst
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2021 12:54:38 GMT -6
This is a problem I have with how a number coaches design their practices in general. It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. Even worse than that is the 1-5 yard pass right into the OL's back during 7on7 to "score".
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 14:15:00 GMT -6
if you are playing all the combinations saban plays...it makes sense on the surface. You mean all the 4 over 3, 3 over 2, and 2 over 1 combos, right? Yeah a little... but more like his 18 gazillion adjustment to slots, nubs, stacks, bunches, pro,... you know... rip/Liz, mable skate, Zeke, tag, triangle, cone, cut, Meg, mod and on an on it goes. But it’s a good time
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Post by Defcord on May 26, 2021 15:45:51 GMT -6
This is a problem I have with how a number coaches design their practices in general. It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would.
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Post by 19delta on May 26, 2021 16:28:26 GMT -6
It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. That's some next-level stuff right there. Nice.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 26, 2021 16:57:10 GMT -6
You mean all the 4 over 3, 3 over 2, and 2 over 1 combos, right? Yeah a little... but more like his 18 gazillion adjustment to slots, nubs, stacks, bunches, pro,... you know... rip/Liz, mable skate, Zeke, tag, triangle, cone, cut, Meg, mod and on an on it goes. But it’s a good time Yeah
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2021 17:08:48 GMT -6
It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. Oh. So, you're THAT guy huh? 😃😃
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Post by Defcord on May 26, 2021 17:30:57 GMT -6
We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. Oh. So, you're THAT guy huh? 😃😃 Yes but not for the competitive advantage. Only to drive offensive coordinators mad.
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Post by bleefb on May 26, 2021 21:06:46 GMT -6
It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. God, I used to hate that! It's hard to tell the QB to read the three fat guys in the middle of the field!
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Post by bleefb on May 26, 2021 21:07:31 GMT -6
Oh. So, you're THAT guy huh? 😃😃 Yes but not for the competitive advantage. Only to drive offensive coordinators mad. It worked!
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Post by Coach Huey on May 27, 2021 14:47:32 GMT -6
We do 1 on 1 every Monday. We have CB's cover wideouts from both press and off positions. When we do this we call routes that would be run vs man or a 1 on 1 situation. Vs the press situation we throw slants, fades, out cuts under 10 yds. We have Safeties cover slots from both an off man situation and from things such as Quarters or Halves depth. Again, we match the route with what the situation would be. If it is man, we throw out cuts, 7 step smash cuts, slot fades, etc. Vs the off coverage situations like it's 4 or 2 we throw the traditional smash cut, a corner-post, etc. Basically, we try to simulate - for both the receiver and DB - what it is like to cover routes from that coverage/leverage point and what it is like to run routes vs that coverage/leverage point.
We do 2 on 2 every Tuesday. We will run routes vs man - at which point we run routes where it is a something you would call in a game in a situation where you would be facing man & pressure. So, go-out, switches, dbl slants, etc. We will then transition to one or 2 of our zone coverages. Again, the play call would be something that would typically affect both DB's playing that coverage. EX: If it is Cov 2 we might run Smash, Go-Out, Dbl Post, etc.
We do Half-line (3 over 2 and/or 4 over 3) every Wednesday. We get the under coverage involved and rep our passing game in a more specific, more focused situation.
I think the "win the drill" guys tend to weed themselves out on a good staff. I'll be honest, that is a sign a poor leadership from both the coordinator and, especially, the head coach if drills and practices are designed to inflate egos because you "won" a Tuesday afternoon 7on7 segment or an inside run hull segment vs your own team.
1 on 1 doesn't have to mean "man" coverage. Safeties need to know how to defend the corner-post or post-corner move when they are in a true halves coverage where the corner has squatted on 1. Receivers have to know how to influence the safeties eyes/hips when running either of those routes. therefore, both need to practice that. Similarly, corners need to know how to defend a vertical skinny post by 1 in some form of "1 on 1" situation because double post is a real route combination they will face vs zone or man.
When we break up into these types of "good on good" situations we are coaching both sides of the ball. Yes, I specifically know the "coverage" we are running in every 1on1 or 2on2 rep. Why? Because we don't want to waste a single rep throwing a ball to a wide open receiver running through empty grass because "no one has that spot"... i.e. if the coverage being played in 2 on 2 is quarters, we aren't going to throw the ball to the out cut on the curl/flat route combo. We want to see if the safety and corner are doing their responsibility vs what their read told them. So, the QB is given a signal not to throw the route. If the curl is covered, he scrambles out and both receivers and DB's execute a "scramble drill" situation. Again, another scenario was covered that often gets overlooked in practice (that's a topic for another day)
The only thing we have in common with our opponent is time. So, since that is the only resource that we have that can be utilized to may advantage over someone else then HOW i practice and WHAT i practice is extremely important. We have a limited amount of teachable moments on the grass so developing drills, routines, practices that utilize and maximize what/who is being taught in that teachable moment is the most significant way for us to close a gap between us and those teams in front of us and/or to widen a gap between us and those teams that are chasing us.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 28, 2021 8:14:50 GMT -6
If you're going to play it, you better practice it. We do 1v1 and also work 2v2 and bunches. Sometimes you can't just get it done by recruiting it.
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Post by Defcord on May 28, 2021 16:36:00 GMT -6
We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because it’s what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. God, I used to hate that! It's hard to tell the QB to read the three fat guys in the middle of the field! We can play 3 or 4 high with our coaches too so your kids got his work cutout.
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Post by cfoott on May 31, 2021 11:00:45 GMT -6
We got away from 1v1 more this past year and went to 3v2 -half field. Corner, safety, OLB Vs 2 or 3 wr. Just our stuff on both sides.
We still do some 1v1 but its more situational.
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Post by carookie on May 31, 2021 12:04:02 GMT -6
I will add we have fun little mid practice "lighteners" as we call them; to help keep kids engaged, encourage competition, and help lighten the mood. One of them is 1-on-1 Wednesday, where any player can call out another and challenge him to a 1-on-1. Nothing quite like seeing two OLs going at it.
Those are always fun 1-on-1s
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