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Post by coachb23 on May 8, 2021 7:54:55 GMT -6
I've watched a lot of online videos on dynamic stretching, wanting to get away from traditional static stretching & up the tempo to getting practice started. We'd spend the first 15 minutes of practice stretching, did a few dynamics in the endzone, then run out to lines for some static stretching, then finish with jumping jacks.
What are some approaches you guys take? Do you blend dynamic stretching with static stretching, or go dynamic only? Does everyone warm up altogether, or in smaller position groups then come together to start practice? What stretches/how many stretches do you feel are the minimum necessary to prevent injury and be prepared for practice?
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Post by undcovcoach on May 8, 2021 8:00:13 GMT -6
Been playing around with an idea. Been thinking about implementing.
Pre Practice
5 Minutes - 5 Station Warm Up. Team broken up into 5 groups. Hurdle stretch, ladders, dynamic stretch station, something else. Quick fast, gets sweat going.
5 Minutes - Offensive EDDs
5 Minutes - Defensive EDDs
Period 1 Go
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2021 8:10:34 GMT -6
Dynamic warm up only into the heaviest conditioning we'd do all day immediately after. We never static stretched unless it was after a really heavy day in the weight room.
Static stretching pre practice is pretty proven to be a waste of time.
Warm up and conditioning would usually run us 10-15 minutes total for both combined.
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Post by CS on May 8, 2021 17:11:57 GMT -6
We RPR and get rolling
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Post by carookie on May 8, 2021 18:51:40 GMT -6
Never static stretch before practice, no point- ditto for a game.
Dynamic warmup for about 5 min as a team (High Knee, Butt Kicker, A-Skip type stuff)
Little bit of footwork & COD 3 min as a team
Static stretch after game or practice to help prevent injuries- (focus on each major muscle group you work). This gives me time to talk to the team, and lets me know if I am talking too much, if I am still going by the time they are done stretching then I've probably said too much.
Don't really care for jumping jacks in unison, always felt it was a waste of time, same with weird movement routines that some teams do. I guess some cite it as a sign of discipline or culture; for me it comes off as trying to intimidate the opponent by loudly group spelling your mascot at them.
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Post by chi5hi on May 8, 2021 21:12:56 GMT -6
Used to static. Not anymore.
Now dynamic warm up. Then some "Team Time" for about 3-5 minutes.
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Post by blackknight on May 11, 2021 13:22:57 GMT -6
We did :10 minutes in groups. The directive was that each group had to do an EDD that warmed up the players and was position specific.
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Post by mnike23 on May 11, 2021 14:25:24 GMT -6
have always done the same thing
form run,
then go out to 40 and quick 2 min static stretch, jumping jacks.
more of a routine thing
1 year
we did this thing I saw at FSU spring practice. and we did it
defense on sideline A 40,30,20,10
offense on sideline B 35,25,15,5
they would form run (hi knees, butt kicks, etc )from sideline to hash, sprint to other hash, finish form run
then do other form run things back down their line to where they started,
at the end of all the form run, jog to hashes and face each other, do the team jacks facing each other and then go to indy groups.
it was an awful lot of movement, but it was good.
now,
we will do our feed the cats speed drills to warm up, and then go indy.
Im 100% sold on FTC. was awesome for track season this yr
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Post by sweep26 on May 11, 2021 15:32:08 GMT -6
FTC??
RPR??
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Post by mrjvi on May 11, 2021 16:56:06 GMT -6
We don't do anything. We go right into practice. Saves time and no injuries from it.
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Post by CoachFetty on May 11, 2021 17:15:31 GMT -6
FTC = Feed the Cats RPR = reflexive performance reset |
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Post by blb on May 12, 2021 6:52:44 GMT -6
Have read the studies debunking Static Stretching as a means of warming up and injury prevention (although still think they have some value especially to adolescents in developing Flexibility).
But to play devil's advocate - whenever I see teams doing "Dynamic" Stretching, they are basically doing the same stretches just while walking (sometimes combined with Form Runs and Agility such as Shuffle or Carioca).
And I have seen teams that did Dynamic warm-up in Pre-Game come out at halftime, circle up, and do Static Stretching for their three-minute warmup. Which seems counterintuitive.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 12, 2021 6:58:19 GMT -6
There also is some data to suggest that doing some heavy doubles/triples in squat, power clean, press, is an effective pre-performance ramp up.
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Post by larrymoe on May 12, 2021 7:21:41 GMT -6
Have read the studies debunking Static Stretching as a means of warming up and injury prevention (although still think they have some value especially to adolescents in developing Flexibility). But to play devil's advocate - whenever I see teams doing "Dynamic" Stretching, they are basically doing the same stretches just while walking (sometimes combined with Form Runs and Agility such as Shuffle or Carioca). And I have seen teams that did Dynamic warm-up in Pre-Game come out at halftime, circle up, and do Static Stretching for their three-minute warmup. Which seems counterintuitive. For me, it was a time thing to begin. Shortened stretching by 5-10 minutes. Limited chatter, got a good sweat going. Very little of what we did in dynamic warmup translated to a static stretch. Especially after the first 2-3 movements. We static stretched after halftime for about 2 games after switching to dynamic in pregame. Mostly because I wasn't on the field when the kids got out there and they just started doing what they'd always done. Played like crap to start the half. Switched to the same dynamic we did pregame and were better able to hit the ground running. |
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Post by coachdavekeller on May 16, 2021 14:10:28 GMT -6
I tell players they may conduct static stretching for five minutes on their own prior to the staff starting practice with dynamic stretches. It's a legacy school with many players whose parents played in the program and are puzzled about why we do not use the same warm-ups they used 25 years earlier. I tell them I allow players to stretch on their own. I also tell them something along the lines of, "Conditioning techniques evolve" and that we use conditioning that mirrors what actually takes place in games.
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Post by blb on May 18, 2021 10:49:48 GMT -6
FWIW I will share what I learned about Pre-Practice Warm-Up early on.
My college coach played for Paul Brown and PB was his mentor-idol. He also coached with Paul Dietzel at Army before he came to our school.
So everything had to be very buttoned up, just so. And we did some Quick Cals like Dietzel did at Army just to "force" enthusiasm.
When I first became an assistant and put in charge of "Warm Up" I did it the way I had learned it.
Then I went to a clinic at Ohio State when Woody was at his height.
The second day we watched a Spring practice.
Disappointed by what I saw at first.
The "Warm-up" seemed laissez-faire. Some kids had helmets on, some didn't. Lines weren't as organized as I was used to. Coaches didn't seemed to be paying much attention.
They did some "static stretching," some Form Run without much enthusiasm or energy, kind of just going through the motions. I was somewhat shocked.
But then the "real" practice started.
And I had never seen such organized, fast-paced intensity, hitting, and situational practicing in my life. You could HEAR it and almost FEEL it and I was sitting in second deck of Ohio Stadium.
So there may be more than one way to get it done, as long as the real business of Football gets taken care of.
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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 11:40:51 GMT -6
FWIW I will share what I learned about Pre-Practice Warm-Up early on. My college coach played for Paul Brown and PB was his mentor-idol. He also coached with Paul Dietzel at Army before he came to our school. So everything had to be very buttoned up, just so. And we did some Quick Cals like Dietzel did at Army just to "force" enthusiasm. When I first became an assistant and put in charge of "Warm Up" I did it the way I had learned it. Then I went to a clinic at Ohio State when Woody was at his height. The second day we watched a Spring practice. Disappointed by what I saw at first. The "Warm-up" seemed laissez-faire. Some kids had helmets on, some didn't. Lines weren't as organized as I was used to. Coaches didn't seemed to be paying much attention. They did some "static stretching," some Form Run without much enthusiasm or energy, kind of just going through the motions. I was somewhat shocked. But then the "real" practice started. And I had never seen such organized, fast-paced intensity, hitting, and situational practicing in my life. You could HEAR it and almost FEEL it and I was sitting in second deck of Ohio Stadium. So there may be more than one way to get it done, as long as the real business of Football gets taken care of. Love this!! |
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Post by Defcord on May 18, 2021 12:53:25 GMT -6
I have always wondered why everyone doesn't warm up the exact same for practice and a game. Don't you need to be ready to practice just as much as you need to be ready on Fridays?
I'm not the smartest guy so this could just be crazy talk.
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Post by blb on May 18, 2021 13:08:51 GMT -6
I have always wondered why everyone doesn't warm up the exact same for practice and a game. Don't you need to be ready to practice just as much as you need to be ready on Fridays? I'm not the smartest guy so this could just be crazy talk. Whatever you do for Pre-Game Warm-Up make sure you don't wear them out. The excitement of the game should hopefully "fire them up" and get them ready more than Monday thru Thursday. |
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Post by coachcb on May 18, 2021 13:36:20 GMT -6
Split up into position groups, dynamic stretch within those groups for about five minutes, go straight to INDY. Cuts down on time spent warming up and transitions. Also, allows one coach to police things/correct form, versus the entire staff roaming around.
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Post by fballcoachg on May 18, 2021 15:36:07 GMT -6
New school does RPR, does this prep you to run too? Ive only seen it as a lifting thing |
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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 17:30:09 GMT -6
I have always wondered why everyone doesn't warm up the exact same for practice and a game. Don't you need to be ready to practice just as much as you need to be ready on Fridays? I'm not the smartest guy so this could just be crazy talk. This is EXACTLY what we do. We warmup for about two minutes. Go to specialty for 5 minutes. Everyday including game day. |
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Post by CS on May 18, 2021 17:49:15 GMT -6
New school does RPR, does this prep you to run too? Ive only seen it as a lifting thing Absolutely! But I will let them do some of their own warm ups before we sprint. But I have sprinted right after doing it and felt great |
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Post by morris on May 18, 2021 18:25:10 GMT -6
We RPR , Tony Holler Sprint warm up and @ mariner42 animal warm up. Then we’re good to go
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Post by jg78 on May 18, 2021 19:25:24 GMT -6
I don't think it matters too much either way. I've never walked off a field thinking, "Ya know, if we had warmed up a little differently we might have pulled that one out."
Just have a short, productive, organized way to get them moving and get the blood flowing. I think it's more important not to overdo it. Some teams will run pass routes forever in pregame in 90 degree heat in August and everyone heads back to the locker room soaked in sweat before the ball's even kicked off.
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Post by silkyice on May 18, 2021 20:17:42 GMT -6
I don't think it matters too much either way. I've never walked off a field thinking, "Ya know, if we had warmed up a little differently we might have pulled that one out." Just have a short, productive, organized way to get them moving and get the blood flowing. I think it's more important not to overdo it. Some teams will run pass routes forever in pregame in 90 degree heat in August and everyone heads back to the locker room soaked in sweat before the ball's even kicked off. THIS |
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Post by fballcoachg on May 20, 2021 9:03:41 GMT -6
I don't think it matters too much either way. I've never walked off a field thinking, "Ya know, if we had warmed up a little differently we might have pulled that one out." Just have a short, productive, organized way to get them moving and get the blood flowing. I think it's more important not to overdo it. Some teams will run pass routes forever in pregame in 90 degree heat in August and everyone heads back to the locker room soaked in sweat before the ball's even kicked off. The thing I liked about Covid and no locker rooms, warmups resembled JV and 9th grade a little more pretty much show up, warm up, play |
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