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Post by wingtol on May 6, 2021 17:39:13 GMT -6
Being in a big union state just wondering how unions effect coaching hires in anyone's district?
District I teach in but not coach just interviewed and recommended a HC, after the previous coach resigned in Dec. There were some other factors that made this a mess and a candidate that they were saving the job for left them high and dry last minute. But there was a big push that the two union members who put in for the job should get it over anyone else. And one will since they only interview the two union members, both of which ae not the person for the job IMO.
I am 1000% in the corner that in states or districts with unions there should be no overlap with union membership and coaching, get the best person for the job not someone just because they ay dues and have seniority.
Any other experiences with this in your district?
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Post by fballcoachg on May 7, 2021 6:11:55 GMT -6
In Ohio it varies by district even though most have strong unions.
Some, if a qualified union member applies they get it (sometimes qualified is questionable). Alma mater never opened the job, interviewed a teacher in the building and gave it to him.
In some they just have to interview current staff/union members that apply. Whether this is official policy (a lot of places it is) or a courtesy I think this is probably most prevalent
Others it doesn’t matter, get the best person period. Sometimes the union can make a fuss about the teaching position that is coming with the job but that’s about it
What I have found is unions do nearly nothing to represent or protect coaches as its a supplemental year to year contract.
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Post by MICoach on May 7, 2021 7:01:38 GMT -6
In Michigan coaching stipends are part of the collective bargaining process. I think (but do not know with 100% certainty) that this is the case in all public schools. It is absolutely the case in every public district for which I've ever put in the effort to check.
With that said, the language of the contract is up to the local unions. I don't think I've ever seen a district with any sort of language that dictates who can actually get the stipends.
In my experience it's a combination of the head coach of the sport and the AD. A lot of the time they'd often prefer someone in the building, but doesn't matter union or otherwise.
So it really varies from district to district. I've coached at one district with a staff comprised almost entirely of teachers and staff members, and also at a district with almost no one in the building. But in both cases the stipends of the coaches were negotiated through collective bargaining.
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Post by airraidallday on May 7, 2021 8:34:28 GMT -6
In our district (FL) the Union doesn't participate in coaching hires. The biggest issue I have with the district union is that they are responsible for lobbying the district for coaching stipend increases.... we are one of the lowest paid coaching groups in the state. I am paid some 800 dollars more as HFC than the first coach in school history some 30 years ago.
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Post by coachcb on May 7, 2021 8:49:34 GMT -6
It varies by district around here but the unions typically have no influence in the hiring process. Teachers will get preference over non-teachers for coaching positions but their union status doesn't play into it. The unions can make a mess of things by approving/disapproving new coaching stipends as they're covered under the master agreement but that's the extent of it. It's a PITA when you have the money to create a new coaching position but the union fights the school board on approving the stipend.
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Post by realdawg on May 7, 2021 15:29:09 GMT -6
What’s a Union?
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