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Post by iowafb on May 4, 2021 10:30:59 GMT -6
In season practice 2 hours. Tuesday Offense 1 1/2 hours, Defense 1/2 hour. Wednesday switch it Defense 1.5 hours Offense 1/2 hour. Small school 35-40 players iron man football 15 players doing all the playing. Can this work other ideas?
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Post by airraidallday on May 4, 2021 10:46:53 GMT -6
This is effectively what we do with a similar player pool. We try to have as few 2 way starters as possible, but practice everyone everywhere for depth. We usually spend 55-75 on the main and 25-30 on the other during install and fall camp.
During the season you can do more of a true half and half if you script well, have your game plan hammered out and detailed, and do most of your teaching in indy and group.
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Post by chi5hi on May 4, 2021 22:19:12 GMT -6
In season practice 2 hours. Tuesday Offense 1 1/2 hours, Defense 1/2 hour. Wednesday switch it Defense 1.5 hours Offense 1/2 hour. Small school 35-40 players iron man football 15 players doing all the playing. Can this work other ideas? So...you have maybe 40 kids and only 15 of them play? May I suggest that you put 20 on offense and 20 on defense...then let them play. Cut your practice time down. Start with some Indy, toss in some ST, then give perhaps 30 minutes O Vs. D. Make your O and your D so easy and simple to learn that they can play it without a lot of coaching. Remember...it's their team...not yours. |
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Post by cwaltsmith on May 5, 2021 7:35:16 GMT -6
I don't like only having 30 min of offense on Wednesday or 30 of defense on Tuesday. I like to go 60 to 70 minutes each early on and then hopefully be able to cut it down as season goes. I also think that Thursdays and Mondays are wasted at most schools. I don't think you should be full go on these days but definitely need to be getting reps and learning stuff.
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Post by larrymoe on May 5, 2021 7:50:50 GMT -6
In season practice 2 hours. Tuesday Offense 1 1/2 hours, Defense 1/2 hour. Wednesday switch it Defense 1.5 hours Offense 1/2 hour. Small school 35-40 players iron man football 15 players doing all the playing. Can this work other ideas? So...you have maybe 40 kids and only 15 of them play? May I suggest that you put 20 on offense and 20 on defense...then let them play. Cut your practice time down. Start with some Indy, toss in some ST, then give perhaps 30 minutes O Vs. D. Make your O and your D so easy and simple to learn that they can play it without a lot of coaching. Remember...it's their team...not yours. I would imagine that the 40 is grades 9-12 with the 15 being his Srs and Jrs. At least that was my situation. |
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Post by rudyrude9 on May 5, 2021 10:55:32 GMT -6
Yeah you have to use Monday also. I'm not in that situation numbers wise but I would suggest, Monday O day, Tuesday D Day, Wednesday half O/half D. Thursday Walk Thru. Better hit specials every single day!
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Post by iowafb on May 5, 2021 12:32:48 GMT -6
Yes 40 kids out for grades 9-12 and out of that 40 15 or less will be doing all the playing. The good years the 15 would be Jr’s and Sr’s lean years add in Fr and So’s. Monday’s offense would need to be on air or barrels because of JV game but I like the thought of using Monday as a offensive day as you described.
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Post by carookie on May 5, 2021 13:23:22 GMT -6
When do you do athletic development (agilities, weights, etc)?
How intricate are your practice plans, do you set time aside for skill development within a position or is it mostly just repetition of plays?
Why are you not practicing on Monday?
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Post by aceback76 on May 5, 2021 13:45:46 GMT -6
When do you do athletic development (agilities, weights, etc)? How intricate are your practice plans, do you set time aside for skill development within a position or is it mostly just repetition of plays? Why are you not practicing on Monday? AGILITIES = very few IN-SEASON: WEIGHTS = lift two days a week AFTER practice by Defensive positions (DML = Monday; LBers = Tuesday; Secondary = Wed.). Group lifting gets out of after practice conditioning that day). On Saturday (day after game) EVERYBODY lifts. Practice format always follows: Individual/Small Group/Large Group/Team. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 5, 2021 16:26:14 GMT -6
In season practice 2 hours. Tuesday Offense 1 1/2 hours, Defense 1/2 hour. Wednesday switch it Defense 1.5 hours Offense 1/2 hour. Small school 35-40 players iron man football 15 players doing all the playing. Can this work other ideas? Nice mix of things I've done at 4 schools, 3 of which were 25-35 man rosters where 18 or so played. I had our players in shells + girdle and VB knee pads for practice. Made it easy to transition from weight room to field (lifted after school / before practice) and it was much cooler and cheaper. Easier to wash cloth too. No conditioning, our practices were tiring enough. Monday split day (85m + 5m water every 15m) Blocking Circuit 10m (include 3x2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, tag) Tackling circuit 10m (include a pursuit/tackle drill that's tag) ALL Kicking 20m O Install 5m O Indy 10m D Form rec 5m D Indy 10m 1/2 line RPO drill 5m (2 groups, lots of rotation at positions, tag) Us vs Us BANDIT 10m (tag) Tuesday defense (85min + 5m water after every 15m) Tackling circuit 10m (include some pursuit/tackle drill in there that's thud) D kicking 15m (PAT/FG Block, PBR, KO) Form rec 10m (1's and 2's) Pursuit 10m (1's and 2's) D Indy 15m Team D run fits 5m (Thud) Pass Skel 5m (Tag) / DL 1on1's Team D vs scout O 15m (10m 1's, 5m 2's) (live- but with a quick whistle) Wednesday offense (85m + 5m water after every 15m): Blocking circuit 10m (includs 3vs2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, thud) O kicking 15m (PAT/FG, Punt, KR) O Install vs scout D 10m O Indy 15m Screen period 5m (tag) Blitz pick up / pass skel 5m 1/2 Line RPO Drill 10m (Thud but quick whistle, lots of rotation at positions, 2 groups going) Team O vs Scout D 15m (Thud) Thursday Game Sitch: (40m + 3x 5m water breaks) Turnover circuit 10m [Game Day 30m] KOR (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays coming out on offense Tight punt 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR (block and return) 3 plays midfield, regular punt (practice fakes) 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR block but fair catch 4 min, score, PAT, then FG (2-3 spots) WATER/HALFTIME KO (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays pursuit on D 2nd team PBR (safe) with 1's 3 plays offense in red zone, score, 2 point play for the win. Go drink at the bar 90m |
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Post by undcovcoach on May 8, 2021 8:08:23 GMT -6
How many coaches you have?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:53:27 GMT -6
In season practice 2 hours. Tuesday Offense 1 1/2 hours, Defense 1/2 hour. Wednesday switch it Defense 1.5 hours Offense 1/2 hour. Small school 35-40 players iron man football 15 players doing all the playing. Can this work other ideas? Nice mix of things I've done at 4 schools, 3 of which were 25-35 man rosters where 18 or so played. I had our players in shells + girdle and VB knee pads for practice. Made it easy to transition from weight room to field (lifted after school / before practice) and it was much cooler and cheaper. Easier to wash cloth too. No conditioning, our practices were tiring enough. Monday split day (85m + 5m water every 15m) Blocking Circuit 10m (include 3x2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, tag) Tackling circuit 10m (include a pursuit/tackle drill that's tag) ALL Kicking 20m O Install 5m O Indy 10m D Form rec 5m D Indy 10m 1/2 line RPO drill 5m (2 groups, lots of rotation at positions, tag) Us vs Us BANDIT 10m (tag) Tuesday defense (85min + 5m water after every 15m) Tackling circuit 10m (include some pursuit/tackle drill in there that's thud) D kicking 15m (PAT/FG Block, PBR, KO) Form rec 10m (1's and 2's) Pursuit 10m (1's and 2's) D Indy 15m Team D run fits 5m (Thud) Pass Skel 5m (Tag) / DL 1on1's Team D vs scout O 15m (10m 1's, 5m 2's) (live- but with a quick whistle) Wednesday offense (85m + 5m water after every 15m): Blocking circuit 10m (includs 3vs2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, thud) O kicking 15m (PAT/FG, Punt, KR) O Install vs scout D 10m O Indy 15m Screen period 5m (tag) Blitz pick up / pass skel 5m 1/2 Line RPO Drill 10m (Thud but quick whistle, lots of rotation at positions, 2 groups going) Team O vs Scout D 15m (Thud) Thursday Game Sitch: (40m + 3x 5m water breaks) Turnover circuit 10m [Game Day 30m] KOR (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays coming out on offense Tight punt 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR (block and return) 3 plays midfield, regular punt (practice fakes) 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR block but fair catch 4 min, score, PAT, then FG (2-3 spots) WATER/HALFTIME KO (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays pursuit on D 2nd team PBR (safe) with 1's 3 plays offense in red zone, score, 2 point play for the win. Go drink at the bar 90m 85 minute practices? Seriously🥰 |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 9, 2021 5:45:38 GMT -6
Nice mix of things I've done at 4 schools, 3 of which were 25-35 man rosters where 18 or so played. I had our players in shells + girdle and VB knee pads for practice. Made it easy to transition from weight room to field (lifted after school / before practice) and it was much cooler and cheaper. Easier to wash cloth too. No conditioning, our practices were tiring enough. Monday split day (85m + 5m water every 15m) Blocking Circuit 10m (include 3x2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, tag) Tackling circuit 10m (include a pursuit/tackle drill that's tag) ALL Kicking 20m O Install 5m O Indy 10m D Form rec 5m D Indy 10m 1/2 line RPO drill 5m (2 groups, lots of rotation at positions, tag) Us vs Us BANDIT 10m (tag) Tuesday defense (85min + 5m water after every 15m) Tackling circuit 10m (include some pursuit/tackle drill in there that's thud) D kicking 15m (PAT/FG Block, PBR, KO) Form rec 10m (1's and 2's) Pursuit 10m (1's and 2's) D Indy 15m Team D run fits 5m (Thud) Pass Skel 5m (Tag) / DL 1on1's Team D vs scout O 15m (10m 1's, 5m 2's) (live- but with a quick whistle) Wednesday offense (85m + 5m water after every 15m): Blocking circuit 10m (includs 3vs2 drill to work on OL combos, O wins 99%, thud) O kicking 15m (PAT/FG, Punt, KR) O Install vs scout D 10m O Indy 15m Screen period 5m (tag) Blitz pick up / pass skel 5m 1/2 Line RPO Drill 10m (Thud but quick whistle, lots of rotation at positions, 2 groups going) Team O vs Scout D 15m (Thud) Thursday Game Sitch: (40m + 3x 5m water breaks) Turnover circuit 10m [Game Day 30m] KOR (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays coming out on offense Tight punt 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR (block and return) 3 plays midfield, regular punt (practice fakes) 3 plays pursuit on D 1st team PBR block but fair catch 4 min, score, PAT, then FG (2-3 spots) WATER/HALFTIME KO (deep, pop up, squib, onside) 3 plays pursuit on D 2nd team PBR (safe) with 1's 3 plays offense in red zone, score, 2 point play for the win. Go drink at the bar 90m 85 minute practices? Seriously🥰 They run longer than 85 because of the water breaks, but, I tried to stick to 335-515 as best I could. 530 was the absolute we better be out of here already time and 345 was the latest I would ever start. We have other chit to do with our lives and I promise when you have 30ish guys less is more |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 6:02:35 GMT -6
85 minute practices? Seriously🥰 They run longer than 85 because of the water breaks, but, I tried to stick to 335-515 as best I could. 530 was the absolute we better be out of here already time and 345 was the latest I would ever start. We have other chit to do with our lives and I promise when you have 30ish guys less is more The return on investment diminishes after 90 imo. But that is not the reason I am for 85/90 minute practices. Practices should be a demonstration of mastery by the kids. January through July to teach kids the fundies, system. The idea is to play the game at as high a level as possible. Spending 3 hrs 3 days a week doesn’t do that. Nor does repping how to block this front. If kids go into a game not totally confident in what they are doing, knowing what to do, we, coaches, have f-d it up...just rambling of a crazy guy. |
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Post by wingtol on May 9, 2021 7:02:56 GMT -6
When do you do athletic development (agilities, weights, etc)? How intricate are your practice plans, do you set time aside for skill development within a position or is it mostly just repetition of plays? Why are you not practicing on Monday? Said JV games on Monday. We have an almost identical schedule and situation as the OP. Mondays are lift, film, and game plan insert while the JVs play. Usually only have 15 on Mondays so it is hard to do any kind of normal practice. Have some kids who are JV and also get varsity time so don't want them falling too far behind. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 9, 2021 8:05:25 GMT -6
January through July to teach kids the fundies, system. I don't disagree with the premise of shorter practices, but January-July is for kids shooting jumpers, heading crossers, laying down bunts, stealing bases, launching javelins, jumping hurdles etc. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 8:12:50 GMT -6
January through July to teach kids the fundies, system. I don't disagree with the premise of shorter practices, but January-July is for kids shooting jumpers, heading crossers, laying down bunts, stealing bases, launching javelins, jumping hurdles etc. It’s 7 mo. We have them in the building 2 hrs a day 4 days week in the summer now.And that is just football. And they do all that other stuff and work.. this isn’t more time in the building. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 9, 2021 8:56:47 GMT -6
I don't disagree with the premise of shorter practices, but January-July is for kids shooting jumpers, heading crossers, laying down bunts, stealing bases, launching javelins, jumping hurdles etc. It’s 7 mo. We have them in the building 2 hrs a day 4 days week in the summer now.And that is just football. And they do all that other stuff and work.. this isn’t more time in the building. January-July is not football season, and system/fundamentals should not be the focus of those months. Having quarterback schools, teaching football system/fundamentals in those months tacitly supports the idea that football is first, and also invariably is going to cause some kids to make choices I don't want them to have to make. It is no different than having a Basketball guy saying that March-October is the time that his kids should be working on motion offenses, ball handling and jump shots. Not saying it doesn't happen. I am saying I disagree with that year round premise. |
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Post by cqmiller on May 9, 2021 8:58:05 GMT -6
We have a lot of kids from low-income homes that need to work over the summer, so we have to work around jobs and I want them to play as many sports as they can because they are kids and should play more than 1 sport...
We go "long" for what most believe we should, but half of what we do actually helps them in all sports, so we kind of have 2 different things going on.
We go from 6:30am to 9:00am on Mon-Thu and give them Fri, Sat, Sun off. The 9:00am end-time allows our kids who need to work to get a job and allows kids doing basketball, baseball, track, etc... the rest of the day to compete in those if that is what they do. 60 minutes of the 150 minutes is weightroom getting lift in, and then the rest is speed and football activities. We try to just do Offense only or Defense only each day so the kids have less to remember from one day to the next and can just focus on learning new things on one side of the ball.
It's really 2 different things, so going the 2.5 I don't feel we get the lack of return some of the guys above have described. We also have a "ABSOLUTE STOP" time during the season so we never have any of those "run it again!!!" x50 practices that turn into marathons. Hated those as a player and never felt like we got better at anything when that happened anyway.
Lots of ways to do it... I know of a team around here that has won MULTIPLE state-titles that have a 6 hour film marathons on weekends with the kids. Watch every snap of every position with the whole team. Not anything I'm willing to do, but they do and have won A LOT. Gotta figure out what you and your community are willing to do and then go with that.
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Post by aceback76 on May 9, 2021 10:06:02 GMT -6
Paul Brown always believed in 90 minutes on-the-field daily (which we do the day BEFORE the game). Other days, we are on-the-field 2 hours.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 10:29:20 GMT -6
It’s 7 mo. We have them in the building 2 hrs a day 4 days week in the summer now.And that is just football. And they do all that other stuff and work.. this isn’t more time in the building. January-July is not football season, and system/fundamentals should not be the focus of those months. Having quarterback schools, teaching football system/fundamentals in those months tacitly supports the idea that football is first, and also invariably is going to cause some kids to make choices I don't want them to have to make. It is no different than having a Basketball guy saying that March-October is the time that his kids should be working on motion offenses, ball handling and jump shots. Not saying it doesn't happen. I am saying I disagree with that year round premise. I dont believe in letting kids just be kids especialy teenagers. The more structure they have, the more commitments, even to the point of over committing, they have/do, is good for them. If they can play multiple sports, be an honor student, and work? I encourage it. and if they have any talent at all, and desire to play college sport, the year round thing is coming whether they know it or not. |
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