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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 13:11:09 GMT -6
You also don't honor it by having practice 10 hours after the game. Jeez. The 24 hour rule isn't some kind of sacred 10 commandment that we honor or dishonor. It is a way to let the kids know the last game is over. Learn from it. Then flush it and move on. Pretty good life lesson if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't call it practice, rather a meeting, but fine. Maybe there isn't a difference. We also do nothing else over the weekend. The other schools around us come in on Sunday afternoons and actually practice. We don't meet as a coaching staff either. We text/talk, etc. when necessary. The kids enjoy it. We feed them chick-fil-a biscuits, krisy kreme doughnuts, milk and oj. We laugh. We get better. We win. If it doesn't matter in one direction, what does it matter in the other?
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 13:33:54 GMT -6
Jeez. The 24 hour rule isn't some kind of sacred 10 commandment that we honor or dishonor. It is a way to let the kids know the last game is over. Learn from it. Then flush it and move on. Pretty good life lesson if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't call it practice, rather a meeting, but fine. Maybe there isn't a difference. We also do nothing else over the weekend. The other schools around us come in on Sunday afternoons and actually practice. We don't meet as a coaching staff either. We text/talk, etc. when necessary. The kids enjoy it. We feed them chick-fil-a biscuits, krisy kreme doughnuts, milk and oj. We laugh. We get better. We win. If it doesn't matter in one direction, what does it matter in the other? Not understanding your point.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 14:06:18 GMT -6
If you feel the rule is important on one end of the spectrum, why does the other end not matter?
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 14:47:08 GMT -6
If you feel the rule is important on one end of the spectrum, why does the other end not matter? Ok. I am changing it to the 24 hour guideline instead of rule. And you have 100% misinterpreted that the 24 hour rule/guideline. "You have 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss." I mean it isn't like I bear crawl some kid or suspend if I see him smile when a friend says good game to him on Tuesday. It is 100% about their mindset. It is not that I give them 24 hours to go party or go cry with no team responsibilities.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 15:16:45 GMT -6
Maybe it's a stupid "rule"?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 15:43:58 GMT -6
How is it a stupid rule? 24 hrs works both ways. We celebrate, watch video, correct the mistakes... bringing them in is within that 24 hr window. The problem would be if you waited till Monday, Sunday? Then the rule is wtf.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 16:00:40 GMT -6
Maybe it's a stupid "rule"? Dude, what is your problem? The rule is just to tell the kids that game is over and move on to the next. Turn the page. Flush the last game. Don't let yesterday's good or bad ruin tomorrow. Your past is not your future. The past is the past. Insert whatever metaphor or cliche you want. It is a freaking outstanding rule for athletics and in life. Don't freaking meet on Saturdays and do what you want. As for us, we are going to kick ass on Friday, get up and eat chick-fil-a and krispy kreme, and then kick ass again next Friday.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 16:29:30 GMT -6
Eye roll emojii.
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Post by bleefb on May 4, 2021 17:14:14 GMT -6
Some teams around here do it, some don't. I think it's just what you're used to. We only tried it one year (keeping up with the Jones more than anything) I hated personally because I don't sleep right after games so I would be up watching film at 3:00AM and then getting up at 6:00AM to get ready for the new Sat schedule. We didn't do anything drastic, but we would have staff meeting at 7:30AM, kids for film at 9:00AM and then stretch and run them around 10:30. Fortunately, for me, we started 0-4 that year after several very successful seasons so our HC said screw this and we went back to "normal." We won five of the next six and made the play-offs. (We also moved some personnel around and got our best athletes the ball more but that's another story) I don't think Saturday had anything to do with it but it helped when we were grasping at straws. Bottom line, do it if you want to, or don't. It's not a make or break deal.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 4, 2021 17:53:09 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings. 1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. Not the last game. You also don't honor it by having practice 10 hours after the game. I don't see how that is accurate. The practice on Saturday has to do with Friday nights game. Any review, commiseration, celebration etc. fall within the parameters set.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 4, 2021 17:55:57 GMT -6
Maybe it's a stupid "rule"? I don't think so. I have been apart of 2 different successful teams that used this same mindset. Saturday "wraps up" everything to do with Jefferson high. On Monday, we start fresh on Lincoln.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 4, 2021 17:58:45 GMT -6
From a guy who probably less than a decade ago stated on coachhuey that his current job was "where he would be forever" but is now working in the penal system instead of coaching or education...maybe a little more openmindedness would be appropriate.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 19:25:47 GMT -6
From a guy who probably less than a decade ago stated on coachhuey that his current job was "where he would be forever" but is now working in the penal system instead of coaching or education...maybe a little more openmindedness would be appropriate. Have you coached anywhere during that decade? Perhaps I have you confused with someone else? And, it was 8 years ago. That school has changed principals 4 times since then and dropped 80 kids in enrollment in a decade. (From 240 to 160.) They are talking about dropping to 8 man football after next season due to lack of kids. Perhaps had it remained steady, I would still be there. As it is, I am in a job now where I make $20k more a year while working considerably less and I don't have to deal with any a-hole kids or their parents.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2021 5:11:57 GMT -6
From a guy who probably less than a decade ago stated on coachhuey that his current job was "where he would be forever" but is now working in the penal system instead of coaching or education...maybe a little more openmindedness would be appropriate. Have you coached anywhere during that decade? Perhaps I have you confused with someone else? And, it was 8 years ago. That school has changed principals 4 times since then and dropped 80 kids in enrollment in a decade. (From 240 to 160.) They are talking about dropping to 8 man football after next season due to lack of kids. Perhaps had it remained steady, I would still be there. As it is, I am in a job now where I make $20k more a year while working considerably less and I don't have to deal with any a-hole kids or their parents. So, as I said-- maybe a bit of open mindedness may be appropriate. No need to defend your reasoning. I wasn't knocking your decision. Simply pointing out that maybe that experience might lead one to be more openminded that other ideas could be different but equally valid. Yes, I have coached within the last decade, but not any school based football programs. Not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 5, 2021 7:10:08 GMT -6
This may be a silly question, but for those of you who say "some schools around us do, some schools don't", do you simply ask them about Saturday practices? Is this something that comes up in conversations at clinics? Reason I ask is I obviously know our program currently does not meet on Saturdays. I literally couldn't tell you if the 9 teams on our schedule do or don't.
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Post by larrymoe on May 5, 2021 7:33:16 GMT -6
This may be a silly question, but for those of you who say "some schools around us do, some schools don't", do you simply ask them about Saturday practices? Is this something that comes up in conversations at clinics? Reason I ask is I obviously know our program currently does not meet on Saturdays. I literally couldn't tell you if the 9 teams on our schedule do or don't. Back in the day, the only way I knew was guys would tell you when they had to meet to trade film based on whether or not they had practice.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 8:37:45 GMT -6
This may be a silly question, but for those of you who say "some schools around us do, some schools don't", do you simply ask them about Saturday practices? Is this something that comes up in conversations at clinics? Reason I ask is I obviously know our program currently does not meet on Saturdays. I literally couldn't tell you if the 9 teams on our schedule do or don't. Just with talking with the coaches. I don't bring it up. It will sometimes just come up. Say we are playing XYZ. On Sunday the coach texts me and ask where they need to park the bus next Friday. I text back "how many buses?". He then texts me back at 5:30 and says, "Sorry for the late text. We just got done with practice. We are bringing two buses." So I now know they practice on Sunday. Or sometimes we just talk about it. In general, I (we) usually have pretty good relationships with each other and actually talk to each other. And coaches love to brag how much they grind. Ha
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Post by cpcollet on May 5, 2021 8:49:18 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 9:16:37 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. I do understand this. But I have been where a lot of games where 2-3 hours away and we would still get up early and come. Worked for us. Our general starting time was 9am. There are times we would back that up to 10am. There are also times we would move that up to even 7am due to a Bama game that started at 11am.
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Post by cpcollet on May 5, 2021 9:51:20 GMT -6
I guess that is a small bonus of being an Arizona State Sun Devil fan. We can get our work done and usually still be done in time for kickoff.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 5, 2021 10:49:47 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. In my humble opinion sports ultimately should be about having fun/recreation. You play sports to have fun, to get away from life for a bit; if I want to be miserable and stressed, that's what a job is for 😄. I can respect what silkyice and his folks did/do, if it was not a detriment and it helped, more power to them. However, if I were in your shoes (with the travel time), I would be more inclined to not have early saturday mornings, because to me, that could start to encroach on sports being about having fun/recreation. And, I absolutely agree about sundays being for family, religion, and also just "chilling out"/"recharging batteries"
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Post by tripsclosed on May 5, 2021 10:51:49 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. I do understand this. But I have been where a lot of games where 2-3 hours away and we would still get up early and come. Worked for us. Our general starting time was 9am. There are times we would back that up to 10am. There are also times we would move that up to even 7am due to a Bama game that started at 11am. Moving it because of Bama game, lol
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 10:56:14 GMT -6
I do understand this. But I have been where a lot of games where 2-3 hours away and we would still get up early and come. Worked for us. Our general starting time was 9am. There are times we would back that up to 10am. There are also times we would move that up to even 7am due to a Bama game that started at 11am. Moving it because of Bama game, lol School was Tuscaloosa Academy. They all went to the game or worked the game, etc.
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2021 11:01:37 GMT -6
Obviously a lot of coaches on here have had success either way. For us most of our road games are 2-3 hours away and no way am I bringing the kids in 7-8 hours after we got back to school. We started doing virtual film for home games on Saturday an everyone seemed to like it. As for the staff we do most of our work on Saturdays. We are usually done by 2PM. Sundays are for church and family time in my opinion. In my humble opinion sports ultimately should be about having fun/recreation. You play sports to have fun, to get away from life for a bit; if I want to be miserable and stressed, that's what a job is for 😄. I can respect what silkyice and his folks did/do, if it was not a detriment and it helped, more power to them. However, if I were in your shoes (with the travel time), I would be more inclined to not have early saturday mornings, because to me, that could start to encroach on sports being about having fun/recreation. And, I absolutely agree about sundays being for family, religion, and also just "chilling out"/"recharging batteries" This also is similar to my philosophy believe it or not. I might should have listed this as a reason. But when we finished film on Saturday morning, we were DONE with that game. Mentally, emotionally, physically, and time wise. Done with it. That means the kids didn't really even have to worry about football again until Monday afternoon. If you wait until Monday, the kids have to worry about what the coaches or teammates will say about their game or even one bad play. That can be a little mtaxing and means that mentally and emotionally they could be connected with football the entire season with no disconnect. My way gives them "permission" to disconnect from Saturday at 11ish until Monday at weights. I honestly have never thought about it that way but that has always been in the back of my mind.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 5, 2021 12:12:17 GMT -6
In my humble opinion sports ultimately should be about having fun/recreation. You play sports to have fun, to get away from life for a bit; if I want to be miserable and stressed, that's what a job is for 😄. I can respect what silkyice and his folks did/do, if it was not a detriment and it helped, more power to them. However, if I were in your shoes (with the travel time), I would be more inclined to not have early saturday mornings, because to me, that could start to encroach on sports being about having fun/recreation. And, I absolutely agree about sundays being for family, religion, and also just "chilling out"/"recharging batteries" This also is similar to my philosophy believe it or not. I might should have listed this as a reason. But when we finished film on Saturday morning, we were DONE with that game. Mentally, emotionally, physically, and time wise. Done with it. That means the kids didn't really even have to worry about football again until Monday afternoon. If you wait until Monday, the kids have to worry about what the coaches or teammates will say about their game or even one bad play. That can be a little mtaxing and means that mentally and emotionally they could be connected with football the entire season with no disconnect. My way gives them "permission" to disconnect from Saturday at 11ish until Monday at weights. I honestly have never thought about it that way but that has always been in the back of my mind. I can see that, definitely something for me to think about
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Post by bleefb on May 5, 2021 16:59:37 GMT -6
This may be a silly question, but for those of you who say "some schools around us do, some schools don't", do you simply ask them about Saturday practices? Is this something that comes up in conversations at clinics? Reason I ask is I obviously know our program currently does not meet on Saturdays. I literally couldn't tell you if the 9 teams on our schedule do or don't. I said that but only because it's come up at local clinics, and we asked around before we started it that year. It was very informal, not a formal survey or anything. I'm sure you could get some hard data if you were serious about it.
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Post by carookie on May 5, 2021 18:23:13 GMT -6
In my humble opinion sports ultimately should be about having fun/recreation. You play sports to have fun, to get away from life for a bit; if I want to be miserable and stressed, that's what a job is for 😄. I can respect what silkyice and his folks did/do, if it was not a detriment and it helped, more power to them. However, if I were in your shoes (with the travel time), I would be more inclined to not have early saturday mornings, because to me, that could start to encroach on sports being about having fun/recreation. And, I absolutely agree about sundays being for family, religion, and also just "chilling out"/"recharging batteries" This also is similar to my philosophy believe it or not. I might should have listed this as a reason. But when we finished film on Saturday morning, we were DONE with that game. Mentally, emotionally, physically, and time wise. Done with it. That means the kids didn't really even have to worry about football again until Monday afternoon. If you wait until Monday, the kids have to worry about what the coaches or teammates will say about their game or even one bad play. That can be a little mtaxing and means that mentally and emotionally they could be connected with football the entire season with no disconnect. My way gives them "permission" to disconnect from Saturday at 11ish until Monday at weights. I honestly have never thought about it that way but that has always been in the back of my mind. This is one of the main points I was driving at. There are 'X' hours of work that are going to be put in for the week, I would rather put those hours in as soon as I can and just be able to move on- ergo Saturday morning. LIke I tell my kids, work first and play later. I would hate to wait until Sunday to get done what I can get done now, but I'm also the type to hang up all my clothes for the next week on Saturday morning. You never know what may come up, so get the work done first.
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Post by bleefb on May 6, 2021 0:10:01 GMT -6
One of the other things that's a bigger factor now is most of the staff has their own kids doing travel baseball, travel soccer, travel volleyball and every other travel you could think of that are having all day tournaments 3-4 hours away that might start at eight in the morning. The time demands are rougher than ever. Coaches want to see their own kids play now more than ever, and multiple kids means multiple teams. Mom's not doing all of that alone. I've been retired for quite a while but before the pandemic I followed my granddaughter's Club team around. The travel every weekend was insane. It wasn't during football but the fall travel teams are worse. I would hate trying to do both on the weekend like that.
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Post by newhope on May 24, 2021 12:14:14 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? Some do it and are successful. Some don't and are successful. There are lots of ways to structure your practice and preparation time--you do what fits your individual situation and gets you ready to play. I haven't done the Saturday thing in over 25 years. The area I coach in now has 4 major universities within a fairly short drive and a couple more that aren't but a few hours away. The fan bases are loyal. Many games are played at noon. Kids and their families are going to want to go. That's going to be an issue. Others have pointed out the other problems with some missing on Saturday. How are you going to handle that? My thing is that we take up so much of their time now in the offseason as well as inseason, that they need some family time and some time away from us. We don't touch their weekends. We still have plenty of time to get prepared. We meet during the week. We watch film during the week. We've had times where we keep them longer on Monday with film in exchange for the Saturdays.
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Post by fballcoachg on May 24, 2021 18:35:34 GMT -6
We did Saturday film and meetings for the first 3 games of my first HC Job 6 years ago. We then decided we weren’t getting much out of them and haven’t done them since
I AM considering 1 hour on Sunday, standing firm on 1 hour only.
15 minutes film on O 15 on D, 20+ minute walk through next opponent.
I’m considering it bc I don’t really know anyone there, I think they are real good guys but want to see that we are all on the same page first. I’ve also never felt prepared Saturday morning to be efficient with film. This gives us time to process and have firm coaching points and clips as well as introduce the next opponent.
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