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Post by iowa on May 3, 2021 8:21:06 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day?
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Post by mariner42 on May 3, 2021 8:32:24 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? I'd say that it's better if you DON'T do that. We're quite successful and we've never done anything like that. Let people have a life and either enjoy the win or get over the loss. Keep your team and your staff fresh and enjoying the season, you'll have a better season in just about every sense of the word.
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Post by tog on May 3, 2021 8:41:44 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? I'd say that it's better if you DON'T do that. We're quite successful and we've never done anything like that. Let people have a life and either enjoy the win or get over the loss. Keep your team and your staff fresh and enjoying the season, you'll have a better season in just about every sense of the word. have done both with everything even---this is wayyy how I gravitate most of the time bringing the kids in the next day is just asking for trouble--if you are winning they show up, if you are meh---they won't and it spirals---even when winning--there will be kids that can't make it because of jobs then you hear "well, billy isn't here" stuff as for staff? always
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Post by fantom on May 3, 2021 8:58:05 GMT -6
I'd say that it's better if you DON'T do that. We're quite successful and we've never done anything like that. Let people have a life and either enjoy the win or get over the loss. Keep your team and your staff fresh and enjoying the season, you'll have a better season in just about every sense of the word. have done both with everything even---this is wayyy how I gravitate most of the time bringing the kids in the next day is just asking for trouble--if you are winning they show up, if you are meh---they won't and it spirals---even when winning--there will be kids that can't make it because of jobs then you hear "well, billy isn't here" stuff as for staff? always Don't give yourself another reason to get pi$$ed off.
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Post by agap on May 3, 2021 9:01:09 GMT -6
We haven't brought players in on Saturday morning for the most part anywhere I've coached. The coaches watch film on their own and then we meet Sunday night. We have a lot of players who farm, hunt, and fish so we wouldn't have good attendance if we tried to bring them in on Saturdays.
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Post by tog on May 3, 2021 9:12:00 GMT -6
have done both with everything even---this is wayyy how I gravitate most of the time bringing the kids in the next day is just asking for trouble--if you are winning they show up, if you are meh---they won't and it spirals---even when winning--there will be kids that can't make it because of jobs then you hear "well, billy isn't here" stuff as for staff? always Don't give yourself another reason to get pi$$ed off. I don't need too many brotha. But I have always come in on Saturday. It's expected in Tx. I don't know or have ever heard of a staff that does not to be honest. One thing we have done here is to get it ALL done on Saturday by about 3-4pm. Then no meeting sunday unless we wanted to---did virtual a little this year and that let us sleep on it, without having to come back up to the school I have worked at some places where it was saturday until 8pm, then noon to done on Sunday. (done at one place was around 10pm) I didn't enjoy the wasted time there, but that is what the bossman wanted, Something like that is the norm in 5a and above football in Texas. (not that it is wise or needed, it's just the norm)
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Post by groundchuck on May 3, 2021 9:55:38 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? I think in large part it depends where you are. I have been a part of programs that did bring players in, and programs that did not. All that being said I would not bring players in anymore. With Hudl you can accomplish a lot without bringing everyone in extra. I also find coaching staff meeting most productive on Sunday after everyone has had a chance to watch films. There are some exceptions to not coming in on Saturday. In my state the first round of the playoffs if you don't have a bye is Tuesday (after a Wednesday game). We typically go Friday-Saturday when that is the case. Coaches will work Thursday though.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 3, 2021 9:58:49 GMT -6
We did for a couple of years. Our teams were very successful and they and the community bought into it. I can't imagine trying that on a team/program that wasn't successful.
I don't think its necessary anymore especially with hudl. The kids that would have gotten something out of a Saturday film session will watch it on their own. And as others have said, there is so much going on that some kids will end up missing Saturday stuff. Farming, hunting, marching band, college visits, work - and then you as a coach have to decide which are OK and which are not. I don't think its worth the headaches.
Our staff still meets Saturday morning but I wish we had Saturday off to watch HUDL on our own before meeting as a staff. It used to be you couldn't see if your assistants were watching film but now you can. You can also designate coaches to fill out part of hudl review or scout so you know the coaches are seeing necessary film.
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Post by Defcord on May 3, 2021 10:33:48 GMT -6
It's a lot like doing yard work for me. I hate to do it. I whine about it. I dread it. But after it's done I feel like we accomplished something.
I can go either way on it. I don't hate getting everyone out of bed and seeing their faces and sending them home before coaches do some work. But I also don't mind letting them just be kids on Saturday.
Seems like where winning is the expectation people will be happy either way.
Seems like where losing is the expectation people will be upset either way.
Go with your gut!
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Post by fantom on May 3, 2021 10:58:06 GMT -6
The main reason why I personally don't like bringing them in Sat. AM is that I want to see the game film before they do.
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Post by aceback76 on May 3, 2021 11:02:08 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? We do, for 3-4 reasons, but if for no OTHER reason, to check (& treat) INJURIES (or team Ortho is there). That cannot be done on Sunday (by VHSL rule) & can't WAIT until Monday.
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Post by carookie on May 3, 2021 11:16:04 GMT -6
Everywhere I have been has players and coaches come in on Saturday morning, not to write its mandatory for winning, but I do see some positives.
1) As Aceback76 pointed out above, it is a good way to keep care of injuries. If you make it an optional thing for injuries then very few will opt out. But if everyone is there anyways you can keep tabs on them. Also, allows for workouts and stretching.
2) Film review, I am sure you want to review previous game with players at some point, doing it right away allows it to be fresher in their memory and for you to get ahead of things. Just PLEASE don't let this turn into a drawn out affair. You can probably get this review part done in under 60 min. So all told, with medical check weights and film, you can have the players done in 2 hours. 9-11 works well.
3) Coaches getting things done. I HATE waiting til Sunday meetings to get the game plan done its procrastination in my mind (plus Sunday is family time moreso than Saturday). We all show up on Saturday I trust there are enough computers to divide each coach up and have them get their portion of film breakdown done efficiently. When someone is at home there is always an issue (see problems with distance learning). We are on campus people are more likely to get their portion of the breakdown done on time. We start breakdown of opponent film by 11, its all tagged up by noon. We can then analyze it, have the data to support it and have the game plan done by 1. Being in person gets the job done more efficiently.
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Post by drewdawg265 on May 3, 2021 14:14:02 GMT -6
As a HC I never brought in players or staff on Saturday. We had work we did on our own and met on Sundays. I moved states and am now an assistant and we come in on Saturday. I am not a fan. I am a coordinator and end up getting my most productive work done on Sunday anyway. I feel like we come in because that is what is expected. If I am able to get a head coaching job in the area I want to do what I did in other state and see what kind of difference it makes.
We did work longer than usual on Mondays when we did not bring in student-athletes. Now with zoom and google meets etc we can be much more efficient with our coaches and players time. '
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Post by mrjvi on May 3, 2021 14:56:18 GMT -6
We often have games on saturday but I've never had coaches come in on the weekend at all when it's a friday game. That's in almost 40 years. Most coordinators call their coaches if they feel they need to discuss the plan. We lift early on Mondays. I cover that so coaches can meet during that time. I run the offense and it's been the same for a long time. Monday after practice we stay a little while mostly to talk personnel. I've been at a big school and now a small school. Works for us and my staff stays around for many years because they have weekends virtually off. I think they are happier.
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Post by larrymoe on May 3, 2021 16:20:54 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? Nothing is "mandatory" to have success. You do what you think is best. Don't fall into the trap of trying to keep up with the Joneses.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 16:28:24 GMT -6
You dont have to do anything. You dont have to meet at all on sat. To me, it makes complete sense to meet as a staff on sat. morning. Nothing is more valuable than saying what needs to be said having to look everybody in the eye on the staff. The kids? I am convinced that is based on how you set up your football team. Imo if you have a thug as your qb, marginal work ethic, marginal character, marginal everywhere except ability... no. We do this.
If your qb is accountable in the classroom, on the field, as a person...yeah maybe. This has never been the case anywhere in either job.
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Post by canesfan on May 3, 2021 21:32:41 GMT -6
Do I have to bring in the team and staff on a Saturday after the Friday night game? Is it mandatory to be successful to bring everyone in after the game the next day? We lost by 1 in the state semifinals to the eventual state champion. We did not meet on Saturdays, even though our kids probably would have done whatever we asked. We lost because the other team had Mr Football, and he made a play on a 2 PT conversion that few kids in our classification could have dreamed of. Not because we didn’t meet on Saturdays. It isn’t mandatory for success. They’re kids. Let them be have 2 days where they can do other activities. Shockingly, your kids may even watch college and NFL ball those days if you’re really lucky. Heck in the playoffs we weren’t allowed by our district to practice on Mondays. We could only meet with kids who were definitely gonna play on Fridays. Amazingly that was enough to get our kids prepared. If you get your kids bought in to preparation, you won’t need Saturdays other than treating injuries. Our kids get a scouting report, and for the most part they do a good job of looking at it and preparing for our opponents. One thing about scouting reports is that you have to do them all season, and they have to be as good as possible every week. Slack off because an opponent is bad, and results may be bad. Try to put out a scouting report for only big games or playoffs has never worked for us. You do have to watch film with kids. And teach them to watch it themselves.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 6:09:04 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings.
1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. not the last game. When we finish film around 11ish on Saturday, we are DONE with that game. Done physically, mentally, emotionally and kids can relax the rest of the weekend knowing they don’t have any football again until Monday weights.
2) I want to check the kids out and see if anyone needs to see the doctor or trainer. Two extra days of rehab can mean the difference between playing or not that Friday. Otherwise you might not see them until Monday afternoon and they might not get seen until Tuesday which would be three days of difference.
3) I like getting them moving. We warmup and jog a lap. That is it. But I do think that makes Monday better.
4) Cut out one night of partying. The kids are less likely to party or party hard when they know they have to see the coaches at 9am the next day.
5) It makes Monday so much better. Trying to lift, condition, practice, have a JV game, AND watch the last game makes an already long Monday even longer.
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Post by bluboy on May 4, 2021 6:18:34 GMT -6
We follow the same philosophy as silkyice.... Because we watch film with players on Saturday (when we're allowed), we have a real practice on Monday, even though there is a JV game. Practice is in helmets and shoulder pads and focuses on fundamentals (blocking, tackling, special teams skills).
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 6:52:03 GMT -6
We have a team meeting, lift session and run em.
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Post by airraidallday on May 4, 2021 7:08:25 GMT -6
When I was a player and an assistant in my program we would come in on saturdays. All it did was create discipline problems and a loooooong punishment list on Monday's for kids that didn't show up. One of the first things I did when I took the program over was get rid of mandatory Saturdays.
Now I will tell any kids with injuries or issues that our AT wants to see again that I will be in the building from 8-10am doing laundry and that they should stop by to get evaluated so we can make them an appointment with our team doc for Monday.
All our film watching and game planning happens virtually as coaches and I think we will stick to zoom meetings moving forward as it allows a better fit into people's lives with kids and other obligations.
I don't know that I will ever go back to mandatory in facility time on the weekends.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2021 7:22:43 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings. 1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. Not the last game. You also don't honor it by having practice 10 hours after the game.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 4, 2021 7:35:06 GMT -6
I've been at three places where we've met on Saturdays. The first job our conference played freshmen games at 10 a.m. Saturday morning. So, for especially the home games, most players and coaches would have been there to watch anyway so it was easy for the varsity to come in on Saturday mornings. I was a freshmen coach getting ready for the game so I can't vouch for how productive the varsity film and walk through sessions were.
At the other two places, I never felt our Saturdays were anything but a waste of time. I will fully admit that was probably the fault of our staff for not being prepared but these were also pre-Hudl days so we were watching the film with the kids and seeing things for the first time ourselves.
Currently, we do not meet Saturdays and haven't in years. At my current job, so many kids have Hawkeye tickets and/or take college visits on Saturdays I'm not too sure we would have a productive Saturday session even if we tried.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 7:58:39 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings. 1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. Not the last game. You also don't honor it by having practice 10 hours after the game. Jeez. The 24 hour rule isn't some kind of sacred 10 commandment that we honor or dishonor. It is a way to let the kids know the last game is over. Learn from it. Then flush it and move on. Pretty good life lesson if you ask me. I certainly wouldn't call it practice, rather a meeting, but fine. Maybe there isn't a difference. We also do nothing else over the weekend. The other schools around us come in on Sunday afternoons and actually practice. We don't meet as a coaching staff either. We text/talk, etc. when necessary. The kids enjoy it. We feed them chick-fil-a biscuits, krisy kreme doughnuts, milk and oj. We laugh. We get better. We win.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 8:23:07 GMT -6
We meet at 6 am home or away as a staff on sat. Morning. Kids come in, home or away at 9. During season we have a staff meeting at 6 am mon through wed. Thurs we practice at 6 am. We lowly position coaches are responsible for our kids showing up, running em if they dont.
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Post by mariner42 on May 4, 2021 9:01:03 GMT -6
Really? Sundays? I'm like, smack-dab in the middle of Godless, California and even here Sunday would be a non-starter.
Ok, I'd be first through the door every time.
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Post by fkaboneyard on May 4, 2021 9:02:27 GMT -6
We go Saturday mornings. 1) We have a 24 hour rule. 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss. I feel like we violate that rule when we put off the film until Monday. Plus I want all attention on us and the next team on Monday. Not the last game. 2) I want to check the kids out and see if anyone needs to see the doctor or trainer. Two extra days of rehab can mean the difference between playing or not that Friday. Otherwise you might not see them until Monday afternoon and they might not get seen until Tuesday which would be three days of difference. 3) I like getting them moving. We warmup and jog a lap. That is it. But I do think that makes Monday better. 4) Cut out one night of partying. The kids are less likely to party or party hard when they know they have to see the coaches at 9am the next day. 5) It makes Monday so much better. Trying to lift, condition, practice, have a JV game, AND watch the last game makes an already long Monday even longer.
Pretty much our reasons in the program where I was. We usually met at the school at 7:30, kids did a lite workout for 30 minutes with our S&C coach, film review from last nights game, preview of upcoming week and then the kids were out of there by 9:30. Coaches might meet for another 15-30 minutes to talk about practice plan and approach for the upcoming week.
As somebody said, getting kids there after a big win was easy, after losses it was not nearly as easy. And then the HC had to decide how he was going to handle that. There was always a few kids that routinely had some kind of excuse as to why he wasn't there. It created a problem for the HC because they were good football players.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -6
As somebody said, getting kids there after a big win was easy, after losses it was not nearly as easy. And then the HC had to decide how he was going to handle that. There was always a few kids that routinely had some kind of excuse as to why he wasn't there. It created a problem for the HC because they were good football players.
Our rule is 100 yard bear crawl if you miss. Not too hard, but kids don't want to do it either. No matter what the reason you do the bear crawl. ACT, college visit, sick, wedding, etc. Just eliminates problems and then I don't get too worked up about it. Some kids do the bear crawl the week before when they know they will miss. Also, you don't just miss. I have to know beforehand.
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Post by silkyice on May 4, 2021 9:23:52 GMT -6
Really? Sundays? I'm like, smack-dab in the middle of Godless, California and even here Sunday would be a non-starter. Surprises me also. But almost all big schools and/or good programs do it.
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Post by RunThePistol on May 4, 2021 13:06:40 GMT -6
We require ALL staff to be there by 8 am on Saturdays, and stay until the game plan is solid. No meetings on Sundays, Except semi-final or State Championship weeks.
We do require some players to come in on Saturdays, BUT ONLY for mandatory Ice baths. The list of Players are typically OL/DL, RBs and LBs. Typically the numbers for that is 10-11 players. It has been very beneficial for us and the players eventually grow to Love the ice baths.
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