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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 19, 2021 8:32:16 GMT -6
Apparently some admins thought the football program was too big and successful.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 19, 2021 8:56:41 GMT -6
Am I reading it wrong? The reason the coach gave for leaving after being there forever was "it's a church school, I'm not a church guy blah blah" and then later on he's tied to potential job openings at nearby church schools lol.
I don't blame him for leaving. Seems like he should just come up with a better excuse.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 19, 2021 9:17:48 GMT -6
Am I reading it wrong? The reason the coach gave for leaving after being there forever was "it's a church school, I'm not a church guy blah blah" and then later on he's tied to potential job openings at nearby church schools lol. I don't blame him for leaving. Seems like he should just come up with a better excuse.
Well, I think he is saying that they want to run it like a small church and he wants to run it like a professional football program. The school pretty much gave him free reign, which is at least part of the reason why he was able to be so successful. He brought in a TON of kids - a lot of big islander kids that were very good football players. He had a feeder youth football program in his area that identified good prospects and then sucked them right into his program. There were rumors of the program playing loosey goosey with the rules. They had to forfeit their playoff spot a few years ago due to using an ineligible transfer. I find myself wondering if that is one of the reasons that the admin is pulling back on the reigns. I also know some folks whose kids go there. They are decent athletes but they can't even sniff the football team. Many families are bitter that home-grown kids are basically excluded because of hired guns.
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Post by coachwoodall on Apr 19, 2021 9:19:19 GMT -6
Am I reading it wrong? The reason the coach gave for leaving after being there forever was "it's a church school, I'm not a church guy blah blah" and then later on he's tied to potential job openings at nearby church schools lol. I don't blame him for leaving. Seems like he should just come up with a better excuse. this whole quote doesn't make sense “It’s a church school. I’m not a church school guy. I grew up going to public school. If anything, I’m ministerial. I’m just not their guy.” |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 19, 2021 9:33:38 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions?
In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance.
So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size.
California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What??
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Post by fantom on Apr 19, 2021 11:09:49 GMT -6
Apparently some admins thought the football program was too big and successful.
I don't see a problem with any of this. The leaders of the Christian school have decided that the football program no longer represents the core mission of the school. The coach doesn't agree so he's moving on. Good for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 11:22:58 GMT -6
The American church!
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Post by coachscdub on Apr 19, 2021 11:37:03 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions? In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance. So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size. California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What?? The real confusing part is that it is different between north and south. When i lived up north there was Div 1-6 and an Open division which was the top 4 of the D1 schools. The lower the Div number the bigger the school (D1 schools were over 1800 or something, and then D6 schools were under 600 give or take). Now that i moved down south there are like 11 Divisions and they do it based on your win loss record from the previous year(s) so for example last year i coached at a school with 4400 kids, but we were D7 because our Win Loss records the years prior had been (5-5,5-5, 4-6, 4-6, etc) last year we went 10-2 so during the next realignment we will probably go up a division or two. It is confusing mostly because it is different across the state. We also have different rules across the state which makes it even weirder. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 19, 2021 12:02:09 GMT -6
Apparently some admins thought the football program was too big and successful.
I don't see a problem with any of this. The leaders of the Christian school have decided that the football program no longer represents the core mission of the school. The coach doesn't agree so he's moving on. Good for them.
I have no problem with it either. What's curious is that it got to the point that it did, they are about to be a true force and now the church leadership is stepping in. There have been issues in some of the school's other sports programs that were questionable. I'm actually pleased to see it happen.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 19, 2021 12:28:15 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions? In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance. So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size. California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What?? The real confusing part is that it is different between north and south. When i lived up north there was Div 1-6 and an Open division which was the top 4 of the D1 schools. The lower the Div number the bigger the school (D1 schools were over 1800 or something, and then D6 schools were under 600 give or take). Now that i moved down south there are like 11 Divisions and they do it based on your win loss record from the previous year(s) so for example last year i coached at a school with 4400 kids, but we were D7 because our Win Loss records the years prior had been (5-5,5-5, 4-6, 4-6, etc) last year we went 10-2 so during the next realignment we will probably go up a division or two. It is confusing mostly because it is different across the state. We also have different rules across the state which makes it even weirder. Lived here all my life and I don't pretend to understand it. |
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Post by bleefb on Apr 19, 2021 12:54:10 GMT -6
More Divisions, more play-offs, more $$$. Also more chances to be called a "State Champion." Also keep in mind we are larger than most countries so bound to be some differences of opinion on how things should be done. I just blame it all on Basketball coaches.  |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 19, 2021 13:30:13 GMT -6
More Divisions, more play-offs, more $$$. Also more chances to be called a "State Champion." Also keep in mind we are larger than most countries so bound to be some differences of opinion on how things should be done. I just blame it all on Basketball coaches. But that's not how it works. That not how any of it works. Ha |
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Post by newhope on Apr 22, 2021 11:09:15 GMT -6
Am I reading it wrong? The reason the coach gave for leaving after being there forever was "it's a church school, I'm not a church guy blah blah" and then later on he's tied to potential job openings at nearby church schools lol. I don't blame him for leaving. Seems like he should just come up with a better excuse. There's church, and then there's church. It's not hard to see the distinction once a group of pastors began to administer the school. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 22, 2021 12:44:53 GMT -6
Brethren churches are a little weird anyway in my experience. The town I spent 7 years in as a HC had three Brethren churches for a town of 1,400 people. Two of them were across the street from each other. Apparently they split off in WW I because one group thought we should join the side of Germany and the other thought we should join the Allies. Apparently the third moved out to the country because they were sick of the other two's BS.
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Post by carookie on Apr 22, 2021 13:34:00 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions? In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance. So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size. California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What?? Don't think of California as a single entity, their are 10 different CIF regions that essentially work as their own state organization. They only recently have started to come together for post season playoffs, but for the most part they are separate. I have coached in public and private in the Southern Section- its a mess now. Divisions are now based solely on how good your record was from the past two years. I was at a private school of 120 kids all told, we had to play a public school of over 3,000 in the playoffs because they couldnt compete with other schools their size and got moved down to division 13. Its all over the place. |
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Post by silkyice on Apr 22, 2021 14:29:54 GMT -6
Can someone explain California high school divisions? In Alabama, you have 1A-7A which are based on school size. Private schools have a 1.35 penalty and private schools have to deal with competitive balance factors which move you up if you do well. We would be 2A, but play football in 3A due to 1.35 and our tennis teams play 6A due to 1.35 and competitive balance. So I get every state has some tweaks, but most are based on school size. California has 1, 2, 2A, 3, 3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, I, II, III, OAL, IV, V, VI, VII. What?? Don't think of California as a single entity, their are 10 different CIF regions that essentially work as their own state organization. They only recently have started to come together for post season playoffs, but for the most part they are separate. I have coached in public and private in the Southern Section- its a mess now. Divisions are now based solely on how good your record was from the past two years. I was at a private school of 120 kids all told, we had to play a public school of over 3,000 in the playoffs because they couldnt compete with other schools their size and got moved down to division 13. Its all over the place. Crazytowns |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 22, 2021 14:35:59 GMT -6
Having coached at a private Catholic school, I can see how this could happen. While there, I had three tiers of administration above me; principal, superintendent, and the director of schools. With that being said, we all knew who the boss was; the state diocese. If things didn't align with the Catholic Code of Conduct, they went away.
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