zexx14
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Post by zexx14 on Dec 21, 2005 12:37:12 GMT -6
Gentlemen,
I was wondering about all of the different coaching styles out there. Are you a scream, yell, verbally attack players kind of coach? Are you a Laid back one-on-one correction of players kind of coach? When you do yell at players do you follow any rules or do you just let them have it?
Zexx14
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Post by brophy on Dec 21, 2005 12:46:42 GMT -6
good question. I don't know what I am - I just do what comes natural. I suppose I coach the way I wanted to be coached, they way the effective coaches coached me. I talk with the players quite a bit, rarely 'cuss them out' or yell.....but I know I am always talking with them. I think the best way to describe it, is an interaction between "athlete-to-athlete". Not to discount their abilities and hold them to a standard higher than they are. I don't have to prove myself athletically by telling them war stories or saying they are 'not good enough' (heard and seen plenty of coaches like that). As far as 'rules' goes, it all has to be natural and each kid has to be handled differently in their own unique way. Not everyone has the same trigger. I think if YOU go out and hire a personal trainer, you don't want a Tony Little screaming in your face or babysitting you, you hire a personal trainer because you want to get better athletically - someone who will tell you the pro's and con's and not try to get you to do what they order you to do. I am assuming all players want "Tell me what I need to know and help me correct myself so that I can be the best."My teaching style is part Aristotle part Steven Stiffler
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Post by airman on Dec 21, 2005 12:55:29 GMT -6
1,2,3,4 united state marine corps. now that is style.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 21, 2005 13:37:35 GMT -6
teach, teach teach teach teach....and then teach it again.
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Post by sls on Dec 21, 2005 17:04:39 GMT -6
I teach and correct, probably only holler once a weeK.
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Post by tog on Dec 21, 2005 17:13:14 GMT -6
I am a mentor and teacher. When I do yell, I do it with a purpose and when I choose to, not just because I am fired up.
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fish
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Post by fish on Dec 21, 2005 18:45:05 GMT -6
i am definitely laid back. i'm more of an explainer/analyzer, take the kid aside-type than a yeller. when i do yell, the kids know something is wrong and they need to get refocused.
a coach i worked for once told me to keep the kids guessing. one day be calm, patient, and understanding, but then the next day make 'em think you're psycho.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 21, 2005 21:28:10 GMT -6
I depends on the situation, If it is a player who needs a little yelling at to get his attention then I implement that process, if it is the player who needs to be talked to then I do that, It all depends on the situation!!
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jman
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Post by jman on Dec 21, 2005 22:39:56 GMT -6
Different kids repond differently to different stimuli. Some kids will shut down if you get in their face and yell, still others, it seems, that is all that they will respond to. I dont think that you can effectively coach every kid the exact same. After all, the kids are all certainly different. I just try an find what motivates that particular player and coach that way.
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tribe
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Post by tribe on Dec 21, 2005 22:55:08 GMT -6
I had a principal who used to coach tell me that the kids don't care what you know until they know that you care. I tell my staff if he needs his tail chewed then get after him, but after practice make sure that you talk to him so that he understands it was his action not him.
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Post by airman on Dec 21, 2005 23:43:05 GMT -6
I am still waiting for a group hug type coaching philosophy.. there has to be at least one guy out there.
our school psychologist( a fromer hippie) tells me we need more group hugs on the football gridiron. men need to explore their female side. become understanding. she also believes football should be a nonviolent game.
i think your philosophy depends on your school. a private school vs a public school makes a big difference.
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Post by Mav on Dec 22, 2005 7:35:49 GMT -6
Great question. I'm more of a teacher and analyzer. I've found kids rely on and trust you more if you can give them information that can make them better. But honestly, I'd like to combine this with more of a 'Parcells' style -- challenge/pressure them to constantly take it to another level. Let's face it, no one wants to be pushed out of our 'comfort zone' in anything in life. I once had a coach who could push his players to levels beyond what we even thought we could achieve. I still wonder what made us WANT to work so hard and do well under his leadership. For me that's the ultimate coach -- combining knowledge, passion and teaching with a style of motivation that makes each player NEED to continuously improve.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 22, 2005 7:55:36 GMT -6
I think the key is to be yourself...if you try to be something that you aren't, the kids will see through it and you will lose credibility.
Credibility, I believe, is the #1 trait that successful coaches have. Coaches who are credible have kids who will work hard and play for them. Coaches who aren't credible don't have those kids.
As a player, I had coaches who were very credible. No matter how much they chewed my butt, I knew that deep down they were doing it because they knew I could be better than I was. As a coach, I have seen the other side. Right now, I'm in a situation where there is a credibility problem with the staff. The kids don't trust some of our coaches and the results are not good.
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Post by brophy on Dec 22, 2005 8:57:51 GMT -6
Credibility, I believe, is the #1 trait that successful coaches have. Coaches who are credible have kids who will work hard and play for them. Coaches who aren't credible don't have those kids. EXACTLY!!! There is a trust built up there. I have known many "hollerers" who tried to be the bada** on the field. The kids may fear them, but they didn't trust the coach....and consequently each other. I think the focus is on the kids....the KIDS aren't my enemy (as a coach) they are my tool (likewise I'm their tool to make them better) - we've got to work together.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Dec 22, 2005 9:08:39 GMT -6
I agree with the credibility aspect, if you arent credible, and this is with all aspects of life, not just out there on the field, then you will quickly lose respect and trust of those around you, not just your players, but your staff, community and heck maybe even yourself!!
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Post by Mav on Dec 22, 2005 9:21:04 GMT -6
I absolutely believe you have to be yourself. The worst thing to do is try to copy another coach's style. But that shouldn't proclude you continuously learning, improving and refining your approach. Example: If motivation(or whatever area) isn't one of your strengths, take time to study what makes other coaches successful with this and formulate a plan to incorporate this into your coaching style. As I'm sure we all preach to our players... continuous improvment is the key to long term success.
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Post by airman on Dec 22, 2005 10:04:18 GMT -6
I agree with the credibility aspect, if you arent credible, and this is with all aspects of life, not just out there on the field, then you will quickly lose respect and trust of those around you, not just your players, but your staff, community and heck maybe even yourself!! i coached at a place where the coaches were expected to follow the athletic code. the head coach felt it lended credibilty. coaches could not drink, smoke or chew during season. the head coach believe in, never ask some one to do some thing you would not be willing to do yourself. so everyone on the team signed the contract, coaches included.
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Post by aztec on Dec 22, 2005 11:14:02 GMT -6
I am still waiting for a group hug type coaching philosophy.. there has to be at least one guy out there. our school psychologist( a fromer hippie) tells me we need more group hugs on the football gridiron. men need to explore their female side. become understanding. she also believes football should be a nonviolent game. i think your philosophy depends on your school. a private school vs a public school makes a big difference. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Football a non-violent sport. There shouldn't be any winners and losers either. Stupid liberals, these idiots are going to destroy America with that thinking.
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Post by aztec on Dec 22, 2005 11:23:51 GMT -6
As for type of coach, I am like many above. I want to teach first and foremost. I want a player to know why he is doing a technique and why it will improve him as a player. I yell and say things I shouldn't from time to time but only to get the players attention or get more out of a player that is not living up to his ablity. (knock on wood) I have never been called out for yelling at a player. I find just like what was mentioned above is earning respect with players first allows you to get on the same player later. Just like stated above each guy is different, I find it nearly useless to yell at many of my DB's but much more effective with the DL. The one think that has changed for me is I realized that yelling will not accomplish as much as teaching and showing how to improve. Kids want the chance to get better and will do nearly what ever it takes as long as someone is guiding them.
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Post by tribepride on Dec 22, 2005 11:32:41 GMT -6
Airman
That would stink! Nothing like a cold beer after a win or loss.
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Post by aztec on Dec 22, 2005 11:37:42 GMT -6
Airman That would stink! Nothing like a cold beer after a win or loss. I am with you. Need to have a weekly Coaches Meeting after practice at the local tavern, to talk shop. Just wouldn't be the same with out a cold one.
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dgs
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Post by dgs on Dec 22, 2005 18:20:34 GMT -6
I am a laid back, analytical person by nature. But at the same time, when I first started coaching I had a bad temper and used to do things like belittle players, shake their face masks like rag dolls, kick them in their shoulder pads if they were in a bad stance, or throw footballs at them out of anger. In essence, I was a jerk. I truely feel bad how I used to treat players back then. Today, I consider myself a teacher first and though I occasionaly lose my temper with players, I only try to do it for lack of effort and express it in a more positive manner. Thanks for listening to my Dr. Phil moment.
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Post by airman on Dec 22, 2005 19:43:22 GMT -6
Airman That would stink! Nothing like a cold beer after a win or loss. well he believed coaches should lead the way, set the example. tabacco use, alcohol use, swearing by coach or players was banned. swearing cost every one 20 up downs. he once let a coach go for having a extra matrial affare.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 22, 2005 20:21:47 GMT -6
coaching is teaching IT IS NOT YELLING (do you yell at the student in the classroom to get him to understand algebra? ) up tempo, efficient, purposeful. (that's having a practice plan & getting to it, not straying from it. good work habits are contagious) passionate, compassionate (care about the kids, care about what you do....it WILL rub off on them)
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Post by airman on Dec 22, 2005 20:52:14 GMT -6
coaching is teaching IT IS NOT YELLING (do you yell at the student in the classroom to get him to understand algebra? ) up tempo, efficient, purposeful. (that's having a practice plan & getting to it, not straying from it. good work habits are contagious) passionate, compassionate (care about the kids, care about what you do....it WILL rub off on them) would you cuss at a h.s. student in your class room? would you tell dirty jokes to a h.s. student in your class room? I have seen coaches do these things. if you treat the field as a extension of the class room, then you are a successful coach. also, would you allow your player to tell dirty jokes in your class room, talk poorly about woman, swear, punch, kick or treat underclassman poorly?
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 22, 2005 20:57:47 GMT -6
good points, airman.
"attitude reflect leadership"
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Post by lochness on Dec 23, 2005 8:34:22 GMT -6
The best answer is to always “be yourself” in terms of style. I try to put teaching first. I try to have a systematic and logical way for me to communicate the appropriate knowledge at the appropriate time. I try to make sure the kids understand the WHY and not just the HOW.
As for “yelling” vs. “non-yelling,” I think each has its place. I never really thought about it much, but mostly I yell when we are addressing a group and everyone needs to hear what is being said OR if we are correcting an individual and it is a lesson that will benefit others that may not otherwise be paying attention. I think it’s not a matter of yelling, but a matter of HOW you yell. When I yell, it’s very rarely emotional. It’s instructional and well-spoken, it’s just said with volume. If I’m upset with a player 99% of the time, it’s a quiet private conversation. But, the player has NO DOUBT that I’m upset. I’ll tell him like it is. For me, the volume of my voice has very little to do with how I am driving a message. For me, it’s usually just a matter of “can everyone who needs to hear me actually hear me??”
Not to say that it doesn’t happen. I may get angry once or twice in a season where I let my emotions get the better of me and I throw a bit of a nutty. But, it’s effective for three reasons:
1. It’s real. I’m not playing it up just to get a reaction. I’m actually genuinely disappointed or upset and the kids see that. There’s a message in what I’m saying.
2. It’s rare. If I freak out about something, the kids are all like “woah…coach must really be pissed because he usually doesn’t flip like that.” It usually has an immediate and desired reaction from the team. 3. I make sure the kids understand that I am upset because I care about them having fun and being as successful as possible. It goes back to that “trust” issue that has been discussed out here.
Football is a very difficult combination of controlled discipline and raw emotion. You need both to be effective as a player. I think the same is true of coaches. If you can balance the two and apply them appropriately, you will be successful.
Bottom line: have a clear purpose for everything you do.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 23, 2005 13:59:11 GMT -6
I totally agree that football is a game of raw emotion and intense discipline..like no other sport. My players know when I yell it is for a reason. It is b/c I did not get results the first time when I told you how to correct the mistake or what to do/how to do it. That being said I am not a big yeller. I am intense, and I think sometimes fans make the mistake of looking at a coach who does not yell as not being intense. They see a red faced screaming coach and think "man is he intense". Then they see the guy who always remains cool and calm and think "what is wrong with him he has not fire." While these are stereotypes they are true in many instances. I would describe my coaching style as intense, I'll yell if I need to but overall I am going to teach. Teach quickly, efficiently, and sometimes in an intense tone.
I agree you MUST be yourself. But I think who you are can evolve. When I first started coaching I was the yeller. I did not have a position that was my own so I just stood on the sidelines and motivated. Then when I got into a position of greater responsibility as a D-Coordinator I realized that while I did not want to lose my intensity I needed to remain in a state where I could think ahead. So to me it can be a maturing process as well. But still I am more likely to be involved in a group butt-chewing than a group hug.
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jman
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Post by jman on Dec 23, 2005 18:07:29 GMT -6
Lets not pretend that teaching Algebra is the same as teaching blocking and tackling.
I agree, yelling is not teaching, but it sure can be motivating.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 23, 2005 18:31:16 GMT -6
...I should have added that it is important to be yourself unless you are a jerk.
In that case, you should try to be someone else! ;D
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