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Post by threeback on May 17, 2007 7:58:27 GMT -6
Here we go: Two year coach on staff. Recently hired on as a sub for the school year- so he technically does not have a teaching job secured for next year. Does not handle his business in the classroom. Out of the classroom: Very strong personality. Does not know how to handle situations. Perfect example- at practice for spring ball, we are in a defensive teams up period- my poor scout offense is getting their @sses handed to them, I'm looking at my play sheet for a play that you can run with a FB that doesn't know right from left and is scary as heck, etc., etc. So I don't hear him asking me if a want to look at a particular person on offense- in a defensive period no less. So then he proceeds to scream at the top of his lungs "Coach, sh%t, I'm talking to you!" Now, normally I'm a laid back guy, but let me tell you, I was ready to walk over there and beat the ever living ------ out of him. If that was not enough, after the defensive period, he comes up to me and wants a confrontation- in front of the kids no less. I keep my composure and tell him that when he decides to speak to me like a man, we can talk, until then- *(&^ off.
The guy doesn't know defense at all. He has absolutely no desire to gain knowledge of the game, and he is set in his ways. Our defensive coordinator is beginning to get awfully tired of the guy. The defensive coordinator and I want to meet with the head coach to give the coach an ultimatum, but I want the guy gone. It's a tough decision because even with all of his flaws, I still like the guy, but he does not fit in to what we are trying to do as a staff. What do you guys think?
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Post by superpower on May 17, 2007 8:11:04 GMT -6
Sounds like a very poor example for the players, and this guy will certainly drive a wedge between the coaches during the season. For the best interests of the program, he needs to be gone.
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Post by patrice on May 17, 2007 8:14:00 GMT -6
First I would ask for a meeting with the head coach and talk about the problem you see, don't make an ultimatum. Plan your meeting be ready for everything that could come up like :
1- What the head coach think of him. 2- Is he one of is friend. 3- Your perception, what you see and think 4- Show to the HC that the team come first for you.
Let the head coach deal with that and see what will happened.
After if nothing happen, do what you thing is best for you.
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Post by coachm on May 17, 2007 8:27:52 GMT -6
threeback - is he a young guy? maybe he just need a little growin' up. regardless, the behaviour is not acceptable and he needs to be made known of it. No desire to fit in is not good. you certainly wouldn't want players like this.
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Post by threeback on May 17, 2007 8:37:11 GMT -6
coachm- he is a whole 6 months younger than me. So I don't think its the whole youth thing. Plus, he's been in the Army. That's what perplexes me about this guy.
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Post by kloranc on May 17, 2007 8:48:04 GMT -6
meet with him and the head coach. get every thing out in the open. no matter what, this coach should not be allowed to set a bad example in front of the team. As a former HC and current DC, I can say that the next time he confronted coaches on the field in front of the team would be the last time he worked with me.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2007 9:03:05 GMT -6
Sounds like guys we've dealt with before. I don't want to stereotype anyone but reminds me of the guys who think coaching is what they see on instant reply of ESPN with Parcells yelling at Tony Romo or something.
I think a lot of coaches get locked into an idea of how they're supposed to coach and it's based on an image that isn't exactly accurate for us.
Talk to the boss, tell him your concerns, address his positives if there are any. It's the boss who has to be accountable, you're looking out for the team and helping the boss.
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Post by tvt50 on May 17, 2007 9:11:14 GMT -6
Sounds like he doesnt like or respect you for some reason.
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Post by fbdoc on May 17, 2007 9:16:05 GMT -6
Can the guy change? If so, can he help the team? Those are the 2 big questions. If the answers are yes, then speak with the HC as others have directed. It's also appropriate to have a quiet, non-confrontational chat with the guy. Maybe he's insecure and this is how he "thinks" he's supposed to coach. Let him know you want him (maybe not...) on the staff but that the way he deals with kids, coaches, and other issues is not currently helping the team. It's the old Train Him or Trade Him situation. If the guy is just flat out a JERK, then cut him loose - otherwise ... coach HIM up!
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Post by tothehouse on May 17, 2007 9:18:52 GMT -6
Had one of these guys in the program a few years back. I confronted him at a coaches meeting with the HC there. I am fairly passive, but we went toe to toe and I had to be restrained. He was/is all about himself. I told the HC that I am not an ultimatum guy, but this situation was unbearable if the guy was kept around. I told him that if he wanted the guy to coach with us again that I was turning into a JV or Frosh coach. Guy took a job at another school.
The deal was the guy is a good coach. Players loved playing for him. Guy was an extreme ego, cocky, knew everything (even more than the HC in his mind). Still can't stand the guy even though he isn't around anymore.
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Post by khalfie on May 17, 2007 9:26:43 GMT -6
Coach...
Upon reflection... I realize my actions weren't the most professional... I get a little riled up when we get the pads on... beginning of the season and all...
I shouldn't have yelled at you, but I thought you were purposely ignoring me... being I'm the new guy and all... seems like I just can't get any respect around here... its tough being the new guy, guess I just need to take my lumps...
How about we get some hot wings and talk it out...
my apologies...
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Post by gacoach on May 17, 2007 10:24:17 GMT -6
Coach,
I had something similar happen to me. We were doing special teams and we had had problems with not the punt off, so I suggested to the coach who worked with the punters about doing a 1 step punt. He had never heard of it before and that he wouldn't do it because he didn't think that we'd get good yardage out of punter, so I said "it's better than getting it blocked". He then gets in my face and says "what, if I don't do it are you going to kick my a$$", right in front of the players.
Background, he was younger than me and he'd been at the same school since he was out of college. I had more experience coaching and looking back I think he felt threatened by me. I never gave him a reason to, but that was my perception.
Anyway, I talked to him about it after practice and told him never to talk to another coach like that in front of the players again. Secondly, he really needed to be able to take other coaching ideas or he'd be out of the profession soon.
By the way, I had gotten the 1 step punting from Mark Moseley, former kicker for the Redskins.
Good luck with that.
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Post by briangilbert on May 17, 2007 12:08:10 GMT -6
In the words of Ken "Hawk" Harrelson - "He gone"
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Post by spartancoach on May 17, 2007 12:36:46 GMT -6
Was the HC aware this went on? If so, and he did nothing about it, you have a bigger problem. If not the HC needs to be made aware.
Our HC implemented a hard and fast rule that everyone adheres to or they are gone -- say anything you want in a closed door coaches meeting and we'll talk it, argue it, or fight it out. But in front of anyone other than the other coaches in a coaches meeting, everyone speaks with one voice. Has worked out well.
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