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Post by buckeye7525 on Mar 22, 2021 4:42:11 GMT -6
In the off-season what is your preferred method to develop as a coach, watching instructional videos (Coaches Choice, CoachTube, YouTube Clinics) or breaking down film (your own, other teams, college/NFL)? I know that we all probably do both, I'm just asking which of those you believe is the most important.
I've traditionally probably leaned more toward instructional videos but the more I listen to other coaches talk about how they develop their own acumen they are always talking about film study and how important it is that they make time to do it because of how they learn about the latest trends/techniques in the game. This has me wondering if I need to reevaluate how I spend my time.
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Post by tog on Mar 22, 2021 7:13:34 GMT -6
as a young coach I learned more from asking questions WHILE watching our film, trade film, any film
learned way more from those mentors than I ever have watching some canned facemelter videos
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Post by tog on Mar 22, 2021 7:15:03 GMT -6
oh, and just reading books about it, hundreds of books that are being passed on to a kid of mine that will be a coach some day
those books made me think and draw
then I figured out how to apply the stuff on the field by talking with and walking it through with my mentors
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Post by coachlit on Mar 22, 2021 7:36:21 GMT -6
I think it’s important to see both. I’d like to see the play diagram with the rules. I also like to see the play put to practice with game film. That gives me the best understanding of what I should be looking at, how to teach it, and what to look for when I’m watching the game film.
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Post by newt21 on Mar 22, 2021 20:00:51 GMT -6
If you’re looking into the X’s and O’s or the how to’s of a concept then your looking at clinic stuff.
If you’re looking into game day stuff (what the other team is doing, what you’re doing, etc) then I’d say film.
Clearly the answer is both, for me personally I take about a month off, then look at clinic stuff, then rewatch film.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 23, 2021 5:33:28 GMT -6
The obvious answer here is Madden guys.
Early on as said above it was asking questions. Even now I'll sit a few times per offseason and just pick our DC's brain on some things.
I can pick up a lot of details from film now that I'm older and maybe at least a little bit smarter.
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Post by Coach.A on Mar 23, 2021 11:46:31 GMT -6
I learn more from quality instructional videos (although there's a lot of junk out there).
Once you are implementing what you learned from the videos/books/clinics I think it's best to visit other coaches/programs that are doing similar things. That's where you learn the finer coaching points and nuances that can take you to the next level. Watching game film of these teams is part of this learning process.
Bottom line, I think the bulk or base of the learning comes from instructional videos & books. But the finer coaching points come from talking to other coaches and watching their game film.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Mar 23, 2021 17:01:35 GMT -6
as a young coach I learned more from asking questions WHILE watching our film, trade film, any film learned way more from those mentors than I ever have watching some canned facemelter videos Coach, if you didn't have a veteran coach to lean on while you watched that film would you have still benefited from it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 17:49:49 GMT -6
Hindsight: I can watch a lot of film of the nfl college guys and it doesnt mean {censored} if i dont have context. It just more technical, not in a bad way, but they are doing things I cant fathom, much less see and interpret on film.
On the other hand, if i have heard, seen it drawn up, it is much easier to see it when watching film.
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Post by macdiiddy on Mar 23, 2021 19:45:11 GMT -6
I think development is a healthy mix of both. Expand your knowledge base and slowly implement certain concepts or ideas over time. You slowly mold yourself over time.
Flexbone, Air Raid, Wing T and Power I all win state championships. There are many ideas and philosophies that directly contradict each other’s. It is having the knowledge of different ways to get the job done then find chances to develop your own opinions / philosophies on a technique or scheme that you believe in, through practice.
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Post by coachjm on Mar 24, 2021 4:33:00 GMT -6
Every day I work on learning something about football....
My daily activities are:
Reading (typically have one book I'm working on may read a few pages or chapter per day)
Watch instructional video on a concept that I feel I can teach better (could be any phase)
Watch our film typically tied to whatever I'm trying to teach better
Weekly
I talk with a mentor, friend, or my own staff on these things I'm studying..... Don't underestimate some of the guys on your staff with limited knowledge as you are teaching them things if they find it confusing, the kids certainly will and you will need to find a different way to teach for it to work.
I notice at this point in my career I spend most of my time trying to find better ways vs. new ways, I really look for concepts we are teaching and finding drills or nuggets that allow us to teach it better.
I'm 43, been a HC for 18 years (middle age in football years???) I believe daily study is critical to my growth, there is no finish line...
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Post by tog on Mar 24, 2021 6:26:42 GMT -6
as a young coach I learned more from asking questions WHILE watching our film, trade film, any film learned way more from those mentors than I ever have watching some canned facemelter videos Coach, if you didn't have a veteran coach to lean on while you watched that film would you have still benefited from it? certainly the learning curve would have been a lot flatter though I can't imagine NOT having a mentor to learn from at some point, if I was hired as a young coach and didn't have that, I would seek it out |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 6:34:06 GMT -6
Coach, if you didn't have a veteran coach to lean on while you watched that film would you have still benefited from it? certainly the learning curve would have been a lot flatter though I can't imagine NOT having a mentor to learn from at some point, if I was hired as a young coach and didn't have that, I would seek it out not so much x and o, but so many other things... little things... |
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Post by blackknight on Mar 24, 2021 11:56:09 GMT -6
My favorite way to develop is/was to go observe Spring Football. Sit in on meetings and watched things explained, then go watch practice and see how it is taught.
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Post by morris on Mar 26, 2021 6:36:40 GMT -6
Now my preferred method is hunt down people that do what I want to learn and talk. If you run a particular style of offense (wing-t, double wing, fkexbone as examples) I think finding a good group of guys that run it is big. Zoom has helped a lot on that front.
Read a lot. Forums, articles, books or whatever I can get ahold of. Some of it is specific to what we do. Some of it is just to see what others do in other offenses. I’ve never ran the wing-t past scout team but I read a lot of it for example.
Game film. I don’t mess with NFL stuff. College and HS film is where I stay. I pad a bunch of OL play stuff to see technique and things like that. I stay pretty focused here to things we do or that we might added/adjust.
I used to be big into coaches choice and things like that. I found most of the time you got just enough information to get yourself into trouble or there really wasn’t anything there. Coachtube is better but you really need to do your research to see if it’s worth the price.
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Post by chi5hi on Mar 26, 2021 12:48:42 GMT -6
In the off-season what is your preferred method to develop as a coach, watching instructional videos (Coaches Choice, CoachTube, YouTube Clinics) or breaking down film (your own, other teams, college/NFL)? I know that we all probably do both, I'm just asking which of those you believe is the most important. I've traditionally probably leaned more toward instructional videos but the more I listen to other coaches talk about how they develop their own acumen they are always talking about film study and how important it is that they make time to do it because of how they learn about the latest trends/techniques in the game. This has me wondering if I need to reevaluate how I spend my time. We all have to keep up with the latest in our profession, but sometimes the "light-bulb" gets turned on just by talking to other coaches. Certainly film, clinics, and publications keep me abreast of the latest innovations...but having conversation with colleagues sometimes gets me anxious to try "that thing" he may simply have mentioned in passing...something I never considered but might end up being an important revelation. |
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Post by coachcb on Mar 29, 2021 12:48:02 GMT -6
For Xs and Os, I like to read and see the diagrams.
I prefer videos and film when it comes to learning skills and techniques.
However, talking to and networking with knowledgeable coaches trumps both of these approaches, IMO. I learned more about secondary play by sitting down for an afternoon with an experienced, successful DC than I did in several years of reading and watching videos. The guy knew his stuff, inside and out, explained things well and had a thorough answer for every question I had.
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Post by runthei on Mar 30, 2021 7:13:33 GMT -6
There's a lot of ways I think you as a coach should try to grow.
One is going to clinics. That way you can hear the "why" and have an opportunity to ask questions as well as shooting the bull with coaches over water/margaritas/beer and be able to bounce ideas off of them.
Another is reading books. Typically the coaches that write books are very thorough over the information they give along with diagrams and why they did what they did.
I also like most of the instructional videos out there. My mom wasted $23 one time on a Christmas Present over a DVD about up-tempo offense and all the guy talked about was a deep crossing concept and that was it...20 minutes of why they came up with the name of the concept...5 of why the hand signal was what it was...and 5 minutes of clips where one rep was successful.
I'll watch some film to try and learn but unless I have someone sitting in there with me to throw ideas off of it's not as beneficial to me as the other things I responded with are.
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Post by agap on Mar 30, 2021 11:46:15 GMT -6
Instructional videos if I'm learning something for the first time. After that, I need to see film of it. Some of the best things we've done over the years were things we got just from watching someone else's film.
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