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Post by wingtol on Feb 24, 2021 16:50:04 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Feb 24, 2021 17:22:26 GMT -6
And yet, even knowing who-what he is, people keep hiring him. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 24, 2021 17:23:57 GMT -6
And yet, even knowing who-what he is, people keep hiring him. That's the worst part... |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 24, 2021 17:25:16 GMT -6
Meh. Coaching is an indefinite abyss of glorifying terrible behavior.
It's like a hydra. Chop this head off and 3 more will appear.
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Post by jml on Feb 24, 2021 23:55:29 GMT -6
I coached with 2 guys who played for him when he coach in Alabama. School was successful under him and things have gotten worst every year until now where they are the doormat and struggle to win one game each season. They love him and swear by him and wish he never left. Seems to me like the epitome of what is wrong in sports, but everyone has their supporters, and some people want to win at all cost.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2021 6:48:32 GMT -6
It seems like the guy is shady. He probably is, but I don't know enough of the details to confirm that.
I would be really careful on this one to convict him before this all plays out. If you read the article, the deposition is part of a lawsuit brought by the former coach, Alan Rodemaker, who is suing the school for wrongful termination. There may be quite a bit of biases in that lawsuit against the school and the new coach.
I'm not saying Probst is innocent, but I don't think people should have their pitchforks out just yet.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 25, 2021 7:21:42 GMT -6
It seems like the guy is shady. He probably is, but I don't know enough of the details to confirm that. I would be really careful on this one to convict him before this all plays out. If you read the article, the deposition is part of a lawsuit brought by the former coach, Alan Rodemaker, who is suing the school for wrongful termination. There may be quite a bit of biases in that lawsuit against the school and the new coach. I'm not saying Probst is innocent, but I don't think people should have their pitchforks out just yet. He's guilty of quite enough besides these allegations for pitchforks. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 25, 2021 7:47:16 GMT -6
It seems like the guy is shady. He probably is, but I don't know enough of the details to confirm that. I would be really careful on this one to convict him before this all plays out. If you read the article, the deposition is part of a lawsuit brought by the former coach, Alan Rodemaker, who is suing the school for wrongful termination. There may be quite a bit of biases in that lawsuit against the school and the new coach. I'm not saying Probst is innocent, but I don't think people should have their pitchforks out just yet. This is like the third time this has happened to him at 3 different schools. I highly doubt there is that much resentment towards him that he is the victim in all this. Didn't he have two families or some crazy stuff like that at his first school? Then like 400k in unpaid taxes and missing money at another school? Then this? I get you're innocent till proven guilty. But I also know where there is smoke there is fire. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 25, 2021 8:03:33 GMT -6
I coached with 2 guys who played for him when he coach in Alabama. School was successful under him and things have gotten worst every year until now where they are the doormat and struggle to win one game each season. They love him and swear by him and wish he never left. Seems to me like the epitome of what is wrong in sports, but everyone has their supporters, and some people want to win at all cost. I'm guessing he coached somewhere before Hoover? Hoover has still been doing well, at least based on a quick check on maxpreps. I will say, though, I'm not surprised at that sentiment. A lot of what guys like this do to get in trouble are things that don't effect personal relationships with players. Not saying he's right in any regard or shouldn't be punished; I'm just saying it doesn't surprise me former players would feel this way. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2021 8:46:39 GMT -6
It seems like the guy is shady. He probably is, but I don't know enough of the details to confirm that. I would be really careful on this one to convict him before this all plays out. If you read the article, the deposition is part of a lawsuit brought by the former coach, Alan Rodemaker, who is suing the school for wrongful termination. There may be quite a bit of biases in that lawsuit against the school and the new coach. I'm not saying Probst is innocent, but I don't think people should have their pitchforks out just yet. This is like the third time this has happened to him at 3 different schools. I highly doubt there is that much resentment towards him that he is the victim in all this. Didn't he have two families or some crazy stuff like that at his first school? Then like 400k in unpaid taxes and missing money at another school? Then this? I get you're innocent till proven guilty. But I also know where there is smoke there is fire. I'm not defending the guy. I am just saying that using a deposition from a lawsuit from the guy he replaced for kindling to start the fire to burn him at the stake is a little strange. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2021 8:50:41 GMT -6
It seems like the guy is shady. He probably is, but I don't know enough of the details to confirm that. I would be really careful on this one to convict him before this all plays out. If you read the article, the deposition is part of a lawsuit brought by the former coach, Alan Rodemaker, who is suing the school for wrongful termination. There may be quite a bit of biases in that lawsuit against the school and the new coach. I'm not saying Probst is innocent, but I don't think people should have their pitchforks out just yet. He's guilty of quite enough besides these allegations for pitchforks. I don't know the details enough to know what he is guilty of. I have heard some of the accusations and if they are true he is pretty shady. But to take allegations from a deposition of a lawsuit by the former coach seems a little strange to me. Usually information like this is more reliable when it comes from an unbiased source. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2021 8:53:26 GMT -6
I coached with 2 guys who played for him when he coach in Alabama. School was successful under him and things have gotten worst every year until now where they are the doormat and struggle to win one game each season. They love him and swear by him and wish he never left. Seems to me like the epitome of what is wrong in sports, but everyone has their supporters, and some people want to win at all cost. I'm guessing he coached somewhere before Hoover? Hoover has still been doing well, at least based on a quick check on maxpreps. I will say, though, I'm not surprised at that sentiment. A lot of what guys like this do to get in trouble are things that don't effect personal relationships with players. Not saying he's right in any regard or shouldn't be punished; I'm just saying it doesn't surprise me former players would feel this way. The article tells where he coached prior to Hoover. I do not know how successful they were with or without him. "Propst, an Ohatchee native, coached at Ashville, Eufaula, Alba and Alma Bryant before rising to prominence at Hoover, where he won five state championships in nine years before he resigned under pressure amid numerous allegations of wrongdoing in 2007. He was hired the following year at Colquitt County, where he won 119 games in 11 seasons, including back-to-back state championships in 2014 and 2015." |
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Post by blb on Feb 25, 2021 8:56:26 GMT -6
He's guilty of quite enough besides these allegations for pitchforks. I don't know the details enough to know what he is guilty of. I have heard some of the accusations and if they are true he is pretty shady. But to take allegations from a deposition of a lawsuit by the former coach seems a little strange to me. Usually information like this is more reliable when it comes from an unbiased source. The allegations were taken from a deposition (which is done under oath) by the Valdosta Booster Club president, not the former coach. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 25, 2021 9:24:59 GMT -6
just 2 things
if you dig through the AJC website you can find a ton of articles on the Colquitt saga and the Valdosta one too.
I worked at a school that that was actually offered the chance to be on the 2-A-Days first but turned it down.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -6
I don't know the details enough to know what he is guilty of. I have heard some of the accusations and if they are true he is pretty shady. But to take allegations from a deposition of a lawsuit by the former coach seems a little strange to me. Usually information like this is more reliable when it comes from an unbiased source. The allegations were taken from a deposition (which is done under oath) by the Valdosta Booster Club president, not the former coach. I understand that. But they were made as part of a deposition in the lawsuit by the former coach. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 25, 2021 10:40:29 GMT -6
just 2 things if you dig through the AJC website you can find a ton of articles on the Colquitt saga and the Valdosta one too. I worked at a school that that was actually offered the chance to be on the 2-A-Days first but turned it down. It never seemed to me that any good could come from being on one of those shows. There was talk one year of ESPN doing one of our games. The idea died early when we found out that it included them filming practice. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 25, 2021 12:18:25 GMT -6
just 2 things if you dig through the AJC website you can find a ton of articles on the Colquitt saga and the Valdosta one too. I worked at a school that that was actually offered the chance to be on the 2-A-Days first but turned it down. It never seemed to me that any good could come from being on one of those shows. There was talk one year of ESPN doing one of our games. The idea died early when we found out that it included them filming practice. They never came to any of our practices on our games they covered, just had some interview type things. That is strange... ESPN didn't actually do any of the work, they just shoed the games. Another company basically did all the leg work. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 25, 2021 12:22:40 GMT -6
It never seemed to me that any good could come from being on one of those shows. There was talk one year of ESPN doing one of our games. The idea died early when we found out that it included them filming practice. They never came to any of our practices on our games they covered, just had some interview type things. That is strange... ESPN didn't actually do any of the work, they just shoed the games. Another company basically did all the leg work. Yeah, I think it was a third party. Like I said it didn't go very far because as soon as they talked about practice the conversation stopped. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 10:27:44 GMT -6
And yet, even knowing who-what he is, people keep hiring him. And no one ever calls for the people who hire him to be punished in any way when the guy has established a very clear pattern of this behavior. They know what they’re getting when they give him a job. It makes you wonder what their real priorities and beliefs are on what makes a good coach. |
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 28, 2021 11:21:49 GMT -6
It takes two to tango, and in the case of football programs, it takes many more than two. I'm sure that there is more than one guilty party here. When the long hand of money is offered, very few will turn it down. It is easy to look at things from 20,000 feet above and say one thing or another in judgement of other's actions. It is also very easy for the big turd of guilt to roll downhill once wrong doing has been discovered.
I'm sure many administrators were more than willing to look away as long as winning was happening and the school looked good in the papers. I'm sure the boosters were more than willing to give out money, as long as nobody asked questions. And I'm sure the coach was more than willing to take as much as could be given, as long as it would help win more games. But when people start digging, somebody has to go to jail, and the most famous name is usually the one that goes down.
95% of coaches on this board will never be able to relate to this situation because schools with these resources are far and few between. But just like in politics, once you take that first handful of cash under the table, the next time is much easier, and much bigger.
Not saying I approve of the wrong doing here. But we are not the judge, jury, or executioner. Best thing to do is learn from others mistakes and not repeat them. But even the most honest coaches have used some cash from a fundraiser for a "Slush Fund". Maybe not $15,000, but I know almost every coach I have worked for has had some cash on hand for things.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 28, 2021 11:54:43 GMT -6
I took an admin intern course 1 time at the request of my DO. The guy running the thing said, "There are two things that will get you in trouble. Messing with the money or messing with the honey."
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 28, 2021 15:24:00 GMT -6
It takes two to tango, and in the case of football programs, it takes many more than two. I'm sure that there is more than one guilty party here. When the long hand of money is offered, very few will turn it down. It is easy to look at things from 20,000 feet above and say one thing or another in judgement of other's actions. It is also very easy for the big turd of guilt to roll downhill once wrong doing has been discovered. I'm sure many administrators were more than willing to look away as long as winning was happening and the school looked good in the papers. I'm sure the boosters were more than willing to give out money, as long as nobody asked questions. And I'm sure the coach was more than willing to take as much as could be given, as long as it would help win more games. But when people start digging, somebody has to go to jail, and the most famous name is usually the one that goes down. 95% of coaches on this board will never be able to relate to this situation because schools with these resources are far and few between. But just like in politics, once you take that first handful of cash under the table, the next time is much easier, and much bigger. Not saying I approve of the wrong doing here. But we are not the judge, jury, or executioner. Best thing to do is learn from others mistakes and not repeat them. But even the most honest coaches have used some cash from a fundraiser for a "Slush Fund". Maybe not $15,000, but I know almost every coach I have worked for has had some cash on hand for things. While your sentiments fit things that would fall under "criminal" activity, with regards to sports the attempt to pay for housing for transferring athletes is quite different. |
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Post by lmorris on Mar 4, 2021 8:40:02 GMT -6
I took an admin intern course 1 time at the request of my DO. The guy running the thing said, "There are two things that will get you in trouble. Messing with the money or messing with the honey." My Admin has a similar quote, "messing with money, or messing with kids" He added to that later when I got into a special education course. I walked in to interview him, when I asked the first question, I never got to the later ones. His quote, "Don't "F" with Special Ed, that will get you fired faster than anything. You hire a good special ed coordinator and you do what ever she says to do, don't ask questions, just say yes ma'am. You don't want anything to do with special ed" |
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Post by Defcord on Mar 4, 2021 9:39:47 GMT -6
And yet, even knowing who-what he is, people keep hiring him. And no one ever calls for the people who hire him to be punished in any way when the guy has established a very clear pattern of this behavior. They know what they’re getting when they give him a job. It makes you wonder what their real priorities and beliefs are on what makes a good coach. I don't think anyone has to wonder about motives. If you hire this guy, it is to win football games. |
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Post by Defcord on Mar 4, 2021 9:40:37 GMT -6
I took an admin intern course 1 time at the request of my DO. The guy running the thing said, "There are two things that will get you in trouble. Messing with the money or messing with the honey." If you take the n off intern in your post things get interesting pretty quickly |
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Post by morris on Mar 8, 2021 6:15:24 GMT -6
Anyone heard the recording of him talking about Hoover that the booster president recorded?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 10:13:41 GMT -6
Oh he is done in GA. And guilty as sin audio tape to boot.
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Post by vanden48 on Mar 13, 2021 7:02:04 GMT -6
I take back what I said. This guy is wanting to willingly break the rules and looking for ways to not get caught. It is understandable that sometimes there is accounting mishaps in fundraising, having a small slush fund of a couple hundred bucks for breakfast tacos and water. But getting burn phones and paying for housing is another level. But unless he goes to jail, he will get hired again, somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 7:21:47 GMT -6
I take back what I said. This guy is wanting to willingly break the rules and looking for ways to not get caught. It is understandable that sometimes there is accounting mishaps in fundraising, having a small slush fund of a couple hundred bucks for breakfast tacos and water. But getting burn phones and paying for housing is another level. But unless he goes to jail, he will get hired again, somewhere. he is playing with non- profit rules and laws |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 13, 2021 7:49:24 GMT -6
I take back what I said. This guy is wanting to willingly break the rules and looking for ways to not get caught. It is understandable that sometimes there is accounting mishaps in fundraising, having a small slush fund of a couple hundred bucks for breakfast tacos and water. But getting burn phones and paying for housing is another level. But unless he goes to jail, he will get hired again, somewhere. Jail? What laws that carry an incarceration penalty were broken? |
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