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Post by codyoc08 on Jan 26, 2021 9:14:15 GMT -6
A little background here, two feeder programs 5 miles apart that feed one main high school. High school has had decent success the last decade. One feeder program mimics the high school as far as terminology down to the weight room, and has been fairly successful. The other feeder doesn’t do much as far as getting kids prepared, and hasn’t had much success. The two feeders used to be high schools and is a fairly decent small town rival. I guess some of the questions/ comments I’m looking for is, do you guys have any experience and combing the feeders under one umbrella and what are your pros and cons.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 26, 2021 10:15:46 GMT -6
The "pro" is...if the coaches at both "feeders" are content in being your assistant coaches by proxy and, BTW, be paid by someone else...you'll get a good team when they come to you because someone else taught them your system..
Then, all you'll need to do is call plays! Yay!
The "con" is that if the other coaches say "...take a hike"...you have to do all the work on your own.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 29, 2021 10:16:19 GMT -6
two feeder programs 5 miles apart that feed one main high school. High school has had decent success the last decade. One feeder program mimics the high school as far as terminology down to the weight room, and has been fairly successful. The other feeder doesn’t do much as far as getting kids prepared, and hasn’t had much success. The two feeders used to be high schoolsCould you please explain that a little more? |
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Post by codyoc08 on Jan 29, 2021 20:52:37 GMT -6
So up until the mid 70’s the now feeder schools used to be high schools. Now they are both junior highs who feed into one high school.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 22:27:53 GMT -6
Feeding off of what chi5hi said, if you are going to not only recruit but promote coaches, and be heavily involved, to me you are wasting time with feeder programs. We shut ours down. Why because at the end of the day, really, when honest, it was to much work. The junior high coaches wanted to do their own thing, weren’t paid, not really guys you want in a program, and nobody really gets any direction. Everything is sort of a secret.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 30, 2021 7:19:05 GMT -6
A little background here, two feeder programs 5 miles apart that feed one main high school. High school has had decent success the last decade. One feeder program mimics the high school as far as terminology down to the weight room, and has been fairly successful. The other feeder doesn’t do much as far as getting kids prepared, and hasn’t had much success. The two feeders used to be high schools and is a fairly decent small town rival. I guess some of the questions/ comments I’m looking for is, do you guys have any experience and combing the feeders under one umbrella and what are your pros and cons. The key issue here is how things are set up in this particular district. Is it a "feeder program" or is it simply a jr high football program at a school whose students will matriculate to a high school. What is the expectation of this from the top down? How are the politics in the school system set up? If there isn't a top down expectation, than that would have to come from the school leadership itself. It sounds like one jr high currently has a better program than the other. I don't think mimicking a HS program is necessarily the reason for that, but rather they simply have a plan or system (which happens to be the HS's plan and system). Any plan or system would be good. Keep in mind that there are two sides here. There are countless posts on Huey here about a new coach looking to take over a HS program and talking about buy in from the Jr High/Youth programs etc. Then the post describes how he is the 4th HC in the last 7 years. If you were a Jr. High Coach, how would you feel if you had to adapt YOUR program 4 times in 7 years? Just some thoughts. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 30, 2021 9:27:11 GMT -6
So up until the mid 70’s the now feeder schools used to be high schools. Now they are both junior highs who feed into one high school. That's interesting. I'm imagining the demographic changes that led to such repurposing. Was this in a fairly sizable city? |
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Post by codyoc08 on Jan 30, 2021 23:57:09 GMT -6
Not necessarily, the demographics have never really changed. I think the reason for consolation of the two schools was just a wildly popular thing in that era. I would be willing to say there has been close to zero demo changes in 40 years. Town of about 45k people in a rural setting.
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Post by fantom on Jan 31, 2021 12:35:58 GMT -6
Not necessarily, the demographics have never really changed. I think the reason for consolation of the two schools was just a wildly popular thing in that era. I would be willing to say there has been close to zero demo changes in 40 years. Town of about 45k people in a rural setting. Consolidation was a big thing back in the 60's and 70's. My school was part of one while I was in school. There was no demographic change. Three small towns, total population of about 20,000, each with it's own school district, merged into one district. States and the feds pushed it hard. The idea was to save money by eliminating administrative redundancies. Also, the old schools were aging out (The old wood-frame buildings were burning down a lot) and it made sense to build one new school instead of three. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 31, 2021 14:55:41 GMT -6
Not necessarily, the demographics have never really changed. I think the reason for consolation of the two schools was just a wildly popular thing in that era. I would be willing to say there has been close to zero demo changes in 40 years. Town of about 45k people in a rural setting. But this is not just consolidation. In addition to there being 1 senior high school where there used to be 3, there are now 2 additional junior high schools. So grades 9-12 more lumped together, but grades 7-8 more spread apart. If I understood you right. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 31, 2021 15:28:03 GMT -6
Not necessarily, the demographics have never really changed. I think the reason for consolation of the two schools was just a wildly popular thing in that era. I would be willing to say there has been close to zero demo changes in 40 years. Town of about 45k people in a rural setting. But this is not just consolidation. In addition to there being 1 senior high school where there used to be 3, there are now 2 additional junior high schools. So grades 9-12 more lumped together, but grades 7-8 more spread apart. If I understood you right. It could have just been a physical plant change for the Jr. Highs. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 31, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -6
I've always thought when these threads come up that if the junior high coaches aren't hired by the HS coach/program then you shouldn't treat them like they are there to service your program or develop kids for your program. The local university doesn't come to our practices amd expect us to use their systems, terminology, etc. I don't think we should do the same to the middle school program.
Now, I absolutely think the HS coach would be wise to OFFER to give all that information to the middle school coaches and make yourself available to be a resource to them, within reason. But when it comes down to it if we can't teach our system and terminology beginning with 9th grade then we have some things we need to fix in our program.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 31, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -6
But this is not just consolidation. In addition to there being 1 senior high school where there used to be 3, there are now 2 additional junior high schools. So grades 9-12 more lumped together, but grades 7-8 more spread apart. If I understood you right. It could have just been a physical plant change for the Jr. Highs. Meaning they closed 2 other facilities? If that's the case, then what's the import of the question? They feed the same way they did previously, just from another location, and they're feeding into 1 HS instead of 3. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 31, 2021 21:55:15 GMT -6
It could have just been a physical plant change for the Jr. Highs. Meaning they closed 2 other facilities? If that's the case, then what's the import of the question? They feed the same way they did previously, just from another location, and they're feeding into 1 HS instead of 3. Meaning it may have been decided that it was in the best interest of the district to build one new physical plant to house HS age students, and then move Jr. High age students into two different buildings? Maybe the district divested itself of some buildings. Maybe it moved some lower school age children around. Who knows. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 1, 2021 11:34:44 GMT -6
Meaning they closed 2 other facilities? If that's the case, then what's the import of the question? They feed the same way they did previously, just from another location, and they're feeding into 1 HS instead of 3. Meaning it may have been decided that it was in the best interest of the district to build one new physical plant to house HS age students, and then move Jr. High age students into two different buildings? Maybe the district divested itself of some buildings. Maybe it moved some lower school age children around. Who knows. But what I'm saying is, it looks like as far as football is concerned, nothing changed, so why the question? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 1, 2021 12:01:13 GMT -6
Meaning it may have been decided that it was in the best interest of the district to build one new physical plant to house HS age students, and then move Jr. High age students into two different buildings? Maybe the district divested itself of some buildings. Maybe it moved some lower school age children around. Who knows. But what I'm saying is, it looks like as far as football is concerned, nothing changed, so why the question? Bob, I think you mean to say "why is that included in the information". The question was simply about the concept of stand alone youth/jr high programs whose kids happen to go to a certain high school vs. the concept of "feeder schools" who mimic the high school and are a defacto part of the program. |
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